The Religious Right Makes me sick!

IN a normal year, I would say you have a fear. But Hillary is such that I think most will swallow their pride and vote for Rudy. It is not so much they like him, but fear her more.

Back to the lesser of two evils! Sad Sad Sad.

i agree but it seems that the lesser of two evils is getting more evil.

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He's convinced some of the neo-Cons, like Hannity, et al, who are nominally pro-life, saying he'll appoint strict constrictionist judges. But that doesn't hold water. He didn't during his stint as mayor.

I wasn't aware that city mayors had the authority to appoint federal judges.

Oh wait, they don't.

Care to name a few judges that Rudy appointed that you find objectionable, lula? Or will you have to look it up because you've simply repeated something here that you 'heard' somewhere else?

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KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

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Wow MM quite the discussion here.

I think I might fit into that group you detest. Sorry to hear about that. I don't like Hillary or Rudy. Equal opportunity dislike here.

I think this whole conversation is a bit premature tho. I'm not so sure Rudy is going to be the guy anyhow. We should hold off and wait to see exactly who the last two standing are before we start arguing to much over this.

As far as the Religious Right is concerned.....did you know they are Israel's biggest supporters? Falwell who was actually the one who got things started was a big friend of Israel and it was so noted by the leaders of Israel many times, including statements made at his funeral and afterwards.

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Lula posts:

He's convinced some of the neo-Cons, like Hannity, et al, who are nominally pro-life, saying he'll appoint strict constrictionist judges. But that doesn't hold water. He didn't during his stint as mayor.

LW POSTS: I wasn't aware that city mayors had the authority to appoint federal judges.

Oh wait, they don't.

Your right. They don't..and that's what I said...."He didn't (appoint) any during his stint as mayor".

PS. I know mayor's can't appoint federal judges...

As far as Rudy as mayor ever appointing any type of state or municipal judges, I don't know that he did or didn't, or could or couldn't. What was said is that his appointments in his mayorial administration were not pro-life.

Look it up if you want to.

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I'm not voting for Guiliani, but I'm giving Hillary nothing. I'm sick and tired of being told I have to vote for Democrat or Republican. It's like asking if I want a sandwich made of dog crap or cat crap!

I'll take the PB&J!

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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that book I mentioned

'the naked communist' by w cleon skousen.

you can hear one of his most acclaimed speeches by going to the download page of awakeandarise.org.

lots of other goodies available there too...including the following revelations:

David Rockefeller boasts of his treason, not fearing any reprisal from the Sean Hannity embracing, Bush/Cheney loving, duped, American Sheeple.

Mayor Giuliani Gets a History Lesson from Ron Paul and posthumously Dr. W. Cleon Skousen and Ezra Taft Benson

GOP Presidential Candidate Ron Paul's anti-Empire (American), pro Liberty, limited government, Constitutional messages is lighting up all who hear him. Now, the US Media is going out of its way to squench both he and his message.

Damnable Preemptive Wars abroad. Critical video's pointing out US need to get out of Iraq now for Iraqi's sake.

Fraud Electronic voting machines all over the US. Thread by which the US Constitution hangs to now be severed? Article here. Letter to the Editor of the daily Universe over Diebold Voting machines here. Watch new HBO documentary film Hacking Democracy

The Bill of Rights has just been dealt a death blow by Wicked traitors in Washington DC, true terrorists. God's Judgements will soon overtake this Land of America for violation of the principles of freedom and constitutional government. Make Sure you watch this stunning piece by Keith Olberman, one of the very few in the mainstream who have repoted this abomination coming forth from the treason filled Congress and the Executive.

911 Mysteries is a new and powerful documentary making the case for Demolition at the World Trade Center. You have not watched this footage and analysis on your television with the US Soviet style propaganda aparatus. America is Commanded by God to "awake to a sense of [her] awful situation because of this "secret bombination" that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations, lands, and countries, which has now murdered 3,000 of it's own citizens in order to facilitate the rising of a fascist police state which will, as Latter-day Prophets have warned, murder and oppress those resisting it's butchering, liberty destroying hand. These prophets of coruse have been "mentally stoned," mocked, and ridiculed. To watch this film, click here.

heh...these guys are my kinda whackos!

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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SOMETHING not very many men can claim.

happy to discover one more thing we have in common.

btw without meaning to plug my own stuff, i may have a solution to this whole value voter issue. check out heh

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i have to say this the religious right has the right to decide whom not to vote for. for what ever reason they want to use. they also have the right to tell the nation why.

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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the religious right has the right to decide whom not to vote for. for what ever reason they want to use. they also have the right to tell the nation why.

when prospective presidential candidates cannot be nominated by one of our two major political parties without having first been annointed and found worthy by theocrats we're halfway to becoming iran instead of them becoming us.

it's way past time to revoke tax exempt status from every religious organization that funds lobbyists, endorses a candidate or party or otherwise politicizes its mission.

people of faith have both a right and a duty to involve themselves in all civic matters and concerns as individuals or collectively as long as they don't turn the house of god into tammany hall.

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it's way past time to revoke tax exempt status from every religious organization that funds lobbyists,

yes

endorses a candidate or party or otherwise politicizes its mission.

no

what about the media not giving fair play to both parties. if one side can have a major player in their corner then why cant the other side.

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endorses a candidate or party or otherwise politicizes its mission.

by trying to do this you gag the priests and other religious leaders.

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KFC said "As far as the Religious Right is concerned.....did you know they are Israel's biggest supporters? Falwell who was actually the one who got things started was a big friend of Israel and it was so noted by the leaders of Israel many times, including statements made at his funeral and afterwards."

It is perhaps more correct to say that Evangelists , the so-called Religious Right, are willing to use some sort of idealized, non-existent concept of Israel to fulfill their fantasies. But as long as people believe that me, and Moderate Man and the vast majority of people that actually live in the real Israel are going to burn in Hell for all eternity......you are not my supporter.

Jerry Falwell wrote "A GRACIOUS CORRECTION OF THE JERUSALEM POST" on March 2nd, 2006. "Earlier today, reports began circulating across the globe that I have recently stated that Jews can go to heaven without being converted to Jesus Christ. This is categorically untrue." Link

Short version, Jerry told me to go to Hell...in a gracious way.

You never hear anyone in the Religious Right talk about conscience. No sense that Romney and Giuliani act based on upon their consciences or that that would be a good thing. No room for respectful disagreement. Evangelists want us not to come to God, but to come to their God.

Israel and the United States both owe their establishment to the secular philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment. The Zionist Movement was tied to secularism of the Haskalah. Ben Franklin would have been welcomed by the Zionists. Jerry Falwell...not so much.

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BTW I would never slap a Lady, wanting to slap and slapping are in two different worlds, I have never, ever put my hands on a female in anger, EVER! not once, SOMETHING not very many men can claim.

There are fortunately more of us than not, MM. But all too often, we only hear about the others that feel it is a right to hit a woman, not about the ones that never will or did,

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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by trying to do this you gag the priests and other religious leaders.

by not taxing them you put everyone else involved in the political process at a disadvantage. as it stands, they're permitted to raise and spend huge sums of money with very little oversight.

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kingbee

Join Date 04/2004

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who needs ememas?

not to mention enemas.

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Jerry told me to go to Hell...in a gracious way.

Join the club, Kuperman. I get it every day.

But can we expect anything less from the Religious Right?

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Lula posts:

He's convinced some of the neo-Cons, like Hannity, et al, who are nominally pro-life, saying he'll appoint strict constrictionist judges. But that doesn't hold water. He didn't during his stint as mayor.

LW POSTS:

Oh come on, lula, nice way to wiggle out

LW tags, now I'm it!

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Kingbee posts:

people of faith have both a right and a duty to involve themselves in all civic matters and concerns as individuals or collectively as long as they don't turn the house of god into tammany hall.

Yes, people of faith and people of no faith as well as those who practice irreligion and false religion have both a right and a duty to involve themselves in all civic matters and concerns as individuals or collectively.....

You may rest assured that this person of faith sure doesn't want to turn the house of God into tammany hall. As far as those people of no faith, of irreligion and false religion, I can't be sure.

What say you?

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Giuliani has a long history of taking on tough issues, and even tougher opponents (the mafia, various corrupt trade unions, and violent, organized street gangs) and emerging victorious. He's not flip-flopping on issues, and although I'm sure you'd love to see him do so now, I have more respect for the man because he hasn't. He's not the sort of man who tells you what you want to hear while lying through his teeth, he tells you like it is.

He took a crumbling, crime-ridden cesspool of a city, once a shining jewel in the American crown, and within a few years not only made it a safe place to live again but a place Americans felt comfortable taking their families to for vacation. His leadership after 911 is unmatched, the man was calm, collected, and accesible.

All this and Rudy Guiliani hasn't the courage to be a man for life. Don't you get it LW? Rudy supports medical terrorism. Don't ever forget that true men of courage use their strength and knowledge to defend the weakest, most defenselss amongst us.

On life, Rudy doesn't stand tall....he stands small. He's afraid to defend the unborn child as well as the pregnant mother with his actions and words.

The right to life is the greatest civil rights issue of our time and until we get that right, America is a lost nation...

On 9/11, some 5,000 innocent lives were lost and Rudy was sad. All the while, Rudy approves everyday in New York that thousands of innocent blood is shed upon the altar of abortion.

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All this hatin' on him from the religious right

I don't hate Rudy. I hate what he stands for---the evil of abortion.

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by trying to do this you gag the priests and other religious leaders.

by not taxing them you put everyone else involved in the political process at a disadvantage. as it stands, they're permitted to raise and spend huge sums of money with very little oversight.

you want to gag someone because of their job. freedom of speech. the founding fathers said nothing against religion endorsing government. they said the government couldn't endorse one religion over another. which by the way they are doing.

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KFC said "As far as the Religious Right is concerned.....did you know they are Israel's biggest supporters? Falwell who was actually the one who got things started was a big friend of Israel and it was so noted by the leaders of Israel many times, including statements made at his funeral and afterwards."

That is true.

Jerry Falwell wrote "A GRACIOUS CORRECTION OF THE JERUSALEM POST" on March 2nd, 2006. "Earlier today, reports began circulating across the globe that I have recently stated that Jews can go to heaven without being converted to Jesus Christ. This is categorically untrue." Link Short version, Jerry told me to go to Hell...in a gracious way.

No. Mr. Falwell told you that he _believes_ that you will go to hell. I am sure he would glady convert you and save you. That's Christian belief, and there is nothing wrong with it. Personally, I think G-d is more forgiving than Mr. Falwell gives Him credit for. Either way, I don't mind people who believe that bad things will happen to me if I don't follow their advice. I only mind people who will _make_ bad things happen to me if I don't follow their orders. If a friend of mine told me that he believes that I should paint my living room red and green because I will suffer for it if I do not (perhaps he thinks that white walls make me sad), I would reject the advice. But I would not think that he wants me to be sad and I would not say that he is not really a friend. Same applies to any belief, including religious beliefs.

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EQUATING FAITH WITH FANATICISM

It is interesting that all posts that are pro-Christian are distorted with great venom, in the very next post. I have long believed that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion about faith, with folks who appear to be completely unacquainted with the subject. I have no doubt that this post I have written will be ripped out of context ,with the intent to be used as an attack on Faith and Christianity.

Attacking people who believe in a God who encourages love and service to all their neighbors, is nothing new. History has shown that spreading hate, prejudice and fear require little in the way of intelligence or wisdom. Petty name-calling has always been an anti-intellectual behavior.

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As a Christian I do not require anyone to believe as I do, with a few exceptions. Don't murder, don't lie, don't cheat on your spouse, obey the laws of the land (ours in the US are based on the Ten Commandments, although liberals don't want you to know that), don't take other people's stuff, etc., you get the idea. Don't do harm to your neighbor or yourself, is usually a good policy. Teaching people to be nice to each other is one of the reasons they nailed Jesus on to two pieces of wood... But I digress.

You suggest that Atheists (or non-christians) don't have moral values?

I have moral values, but I don't believe in any religion. I just can't stand the fact of being morality shoved down my troath by other people, and having it accepted as The "Truth", which is the basic of pretty much every religion: you have a priest (or minister, or whatever) who tells you what is right and what is wrong.

I hate it, it prevent people from making their own moral calls, from having their own opinions and values. People should have values, but the one they choose rather than the one they are being told to have.

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As a Christian I do not require anyone to believe as I do

Isn't the core of Christian faith the belief that Jesus saves those who believe in him? Anyway, atheists can have moral values, they are just not "enforced" by a belief in a god.

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The Religious Right Makes me sick!

They will hand Hillary the Presidency