The Democrats Plan to lose the War on Terror

Sneaky little creeps

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Turkey which is our main route to resupply the troops in Iraq is one of out main allies in the Muslim world, they have been for decades now.

The Democrats, afraid that we might be winning in Iraq have come up with a new and improved way of undermining the war effort.

The Ottoman empire which went defunct in 1917, committed a horrible atrocity against the Armenian people, genocide if you must use the word, needless to say the Turks are real touchy about this word "GENOCIDE" there has been two other efforts to call the act the Turks committed against the Armenians as Genocide, both failed, now the Democrats have brought this up again, Demanding that America decide that the act be called genocide, why now you might ask? because they know this will really anger the Turks and might cause a rift between America and Turkey, causing Turkey to one, Invade Northern Iraq destabilizing the most controlled part of the nation and two causing Turkey to withdraw permission to use Turkish airspace and land facilities to replenish the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, thereby effectively losing the war on terror and losing the one true Muslim ally we have in the middle east.

Way to go Democrats, way to lose a war and keep your hands fairly clean at the same time you treacherous creeps. How can you people sleep at night? or do you sleep? or do you stay up all night think up new ways to undermine the war effort?

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
It seems like the Dem's are backing off on this one.  Several Dem's have come out against the measure including Murtha.  Many are revisiting the issue, not because it wasn't a genocide but because of the political and military ramifications for our country today.  Let's hope that they are able to see that this is not in our national interest at this time.  Meanwhile the Turkish parliament voted to allow the government to send troops to northern Iraq. 
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
If it indeed was genocide, we should call it that regardless of who it will piss off or what ramifications it will have on the war. It's akin to saying the holocaust never happened.
Galactic Civilizations III
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
LocamamaOctober 17, 2007 16:49:31


It seems like the Dem's are backing off on this one.


this would be good. thank G-d something reached them


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Meanwhile the Turkish parliament voted to allow the government to send troops to northern Iraq.


this is very bad, yikes bad.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)JythierOctober 17, 2007 16:55:09


If it indeed was genocide, we should call it that regardless of who it will piss off or what ramifications it will have on the war. It's akin to saying the holocaust never happened.


There is no doubt what my people did was genocide, but the point is why now? again? after two failures> the timing is real bad. It happened in 1904 at this point does it really matter except to stir shit?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

The War on Terror can never be won...you can't combat an ideology.  Terrorism has always existed and always will. You may be able to kill terrorists, but not terrorism. I believe the proper way to dub this conflict would be the War in Iraq or Gulf War Part II: Bush's Fuckup, which we may be able to win if we can get our shit together.  Maybe we'll even find Bin Laden one of these days...but I'm not holding my breath.

~Zoo

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, in 1904 we didn't care about other countries at all. So there's no reason to even bring it up now. We should've called a spade a spade at the time.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
the first good crack was this:

that we might be winning in Iraq


it was a good one, but then:

causing Turkey to one, Invade Northern Iraq destabilizing the most controlled part of the nation


lol. As if you are ACTUALLY winning, and if the Turks will NOT invade Northen Iraq nonetheless.

I think that more than 40 states reckognized the Armenian GENOCIDE as Bona Fide historical fact. Why now? Why not? Turkey is actually getting a dangerous trend toward islamisation and radical nationalism, and it would be a good idea to prevent them from forgetting their past sins. The Germans won't be allowed to, and that is why we can trust them - they won't forget -.

The Turks should accept what they did, and so should the 4 Colonialist Empires + U.S.A. did to the native americans. All these actions were the most despicable actions commited in history, and closing the eyes or hiding behind technicalities to shade the facts.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I believe the proper way to dub this conflict would be the War in Iraq or Gulf War Part II: Bush's Fuckup,


Zoologist03October 17, 2007 17:19:27


Ok agreed on calling it gulf war 2, but come on now Bushes war? like no congressmen had anything to with this? This is why I have lost respect for the left, the way it has become Bushes war... not an American conflict.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
CikomyrOctober 17, 2007 17:59:36Reply


the first good crack was this:


that we might be winning in Iraq


This is what I would expect from the likes of you to hope for an American defeat.
causing Turkey to one, Invade Northern Iraq destabilizing the most controlled part of the nation


lol. As if you are ACTUALLY winning, and if the Turks will NOT invade Northen Iraq nonetheless.


You nor I really have no idea what is happening on the ground, you hope for defeat, I hope for a victory.
To late, Turkey is set to invade Iraq, we could not stop them.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)JythierOctober 17, 2007 17:29:55


Oh, in 1904 we didn't care about other countries at all. So there's no reason to even bring it up now. We should've called a spade a spade at the time.


In 1904 we were not yet a world power, we were a fledgling power at best.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is why I have lost respect for the left, the way it has become Bushes war... not an American conflict.


I didn't say it was Bush's War...just his fuckup. A lot of people were involved, I won't discount that...but Bush is the one that makes a lot of the calls. At any point he could've said, "Hey guys...I've got a bad feeling about this, maybe we ought to think it over."

~Zoo
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)Zoologist03October 17, 2007 18:30:43


I didn't say it was Bush's War...just his fuckup.


believe this or not, tis your choice, while the build up was happening Colleen and I were sitting at home praying, Please G-d don't let this happen, it will be a huge mistake to mess around in the middle east with no real allies, needless to say our prayers were not answered. I believe most folk here think I am some kind of war monger blood lust filled jar head... I only wish I could convey to them how much I hate war, anyone that has fought in a war that has a lick of sense hates it.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
believe this or not, tis your choice,


I believe it...I have no reason not to. War ain't to be taken lightly...and now we're in a hell of a position with this whole thing. It's a fine mess this administration has gotten us into...but that's not the issue anymore...it's getting out of it somehow.

~Zoo
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

This is what I would expect from the likes of you to hope for an American defeat.


You nor I really have no idea what is happening on the ground, you hope for defeat, I hope for a victory.


You misunderstand me. I EXPECT defeat to you, but I do not really care for victory or defeat. The "WAr on Terror" will not be won there. I expect the U.S. to turn tail sooner than later, because you will have lost less money, less good troopers, and be in better shape to actually defend yourself against threats.

To late, Turkey is set to invade Iraq, we could not stop them.


So voting against or for an historical Genocide acknowledge would not have changed a thing.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am leaving for a much needed rest away from home, will be back Sunday some time late, see ya all till then be good to each other.

peace.

MM

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am leaving for a much needed rest away from home, will be back Sunday some time late, see ya all till then be good to each other.


peace.


MM



always a good idea

If we are not in war against Turkey..

I wonder, the NATO pact is rised if someone attack one member of the NATO on it's territory, what happens if someone attack the TROOPS of one member of the NATO?

and what happens if the aggressor is another NATO member?
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
and what happens if the aggressor is another NATO member?



i would assume that the aggressor would be the enemy. depending of course. but since we own NATO.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
this would be good. thank G-d something reached them


I am afraid to say that i am, and most of the creeps, are with you on this. Why am I afraid? you will certainly say .... "The Dems eat their own".

Yes we eat them if they are wrong. ..... we admit and swallow our mistakes and hope to do better next time ..... isnt that the way it is supposed to be?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes we eat them if they are wrong. ..... we admit and swallow our mistakes and hope to do better next time ..... isnt that the way it is supposed to be?


since when


you must not have been reading genes posts.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Meanwhile the Turkish parliament voted to allow the government to send troops to northern Iraq.
Does anybody else think that there won't be any anti-Turkish demonstrations by "peace" supporters?
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Cikomyr

May I ask where are you from? Just curious as to where your point of view is coming from since you are not American. Hope you don't mind me asking.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Cikomyr

May I ask where are you from? Just curious as to where your point of view is coming from since you are not American. Hope you don't mind me asking.


Canada. Quebec to be exact. Montreal is even more.

Does that matter?
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Canada. Quebec to be exact. Montreal is even more.

Does that matter?


Only if one wants to learn french.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

Only if one wants to learn french.


while staying out of France - which I would understand
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: ThinkAloudPosted: Thursday, October 18, 2007
this would be good. thank G-d something reached them


I am afraid to say that i am, and most of the creeps, are with you on this. Why am I afraid? you will certainly say .... "The Dems eat their own".

Yes we eat them if they are wrong. ..... we admit and swallow our mistakes and hope to do better next time ..... isnt that the way it is supposed to be?

No the Dems eat their own if they do not follow the Democratic mantra, "Bush bad, Iraq failure" any Democrat that strays from this will be attacked by their own people.