NO Health Insurance for Bush and Cheney!

You should really try to know a little about the subject instead of just posting ignorant demagogic trash.

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
You should really try to know a little about the subject instead of just posting ignorant demagogic trash.

What are you talking about?

Bush said he was opposed to Socialized Medicine and did not support the S-CHIP because it gave taxpayer paid health insurance to people who can afford to buy their own PRIVATE coverage. Then WHY should he and others in our government get taxpayer paid socialized health care?

I love how you fail to mention the reduction of the US Citizen barrier to people who only hold a SS card.

It was 3X the poverty level. 3 times not 2.

this is a job perk. like any other job where the company pays for the health insurance.

There were lots of reasons to veto that bill - he did the right thing. And nobody, not Congress, not members of the Executive branch, not SC judges, receives socialized medicine, something you know perfectly well but choose to lie about.

“I love how you fail to mention the reduction of the US Citizen barrier to people who only hold a SS card.

It was 3X the poverty level. 3 times not 2”

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The principal reason Bush gave for the veto was that he thought people making more then about $40,000 can afford their own health insurance and the taxpayers should not be paying for that coverage. The S-CHIP paid up to $80,000 for a family income. Bush had an income of about $800,000 last year and Cheney about $1.7 Million. They can afford their own coverage. Let’s cut some spending by eliminating the cost for Bush, Cheney, and Congress etc.

Reply By: Adventure-Dude Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
Bush vetoed the S-CHIP health Care bill for low and middle income children because it included children whose families had annual incomes above twice the federal poverty level ($40,000). Bush said these families should pay for their own health insurance.

Reply By: danielost Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
Great- Congress should END Federal health coverage for Bush, Cheney, Congress, the Supreme Court Justices etc. All these senior Federal officials earn more then $40,000 per year and today receive that EVIL socialized medicine paid by the American taxpayers.




this is a job perk. like any other job where the company pays for the health insurance.


WHY should taxpayers be paying JOB PERKS when Bush gets $400,000, plus a mansion, transportation, postage, expense account etc? Given his job performance he should be a DOLLAR a YEAR MAN! If Bush and Cheney deserve FREE health care then so do the children of families that make up to $80,000 per year!

You said:



I said no it is 3X

" Title I
Section 110 -
Places a limitation on the matching rate for states that propose to cover children with effective family income exceeding 300% of the federal poverty line. "
WWW Link

Your poverty level of 2X equaling $40K is for a family of 4.

Under the proposed (see link PLEASE) a family of 4 would only need to be under $61,950.

Math: 2007 HHS Poverty Guide for the 48 Contiguous states for a family of 4 is $20,650.
20,650*3=$61,950

Did you purposely misrepresent the facts?

Reply By: Adventure-Dude Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
You said:


annual incomes above twice the federal poverty level


I said no it is 3X

Is the income of Bush and Cheney above $61,000?

It appears you are correct about the income level. However my point is still correct. Bush at $800,000 and Cheney at $1.7 Million and the salary of Congress are all WAY above $61,000.

In addition Bush wants to continue granting farm subsidies with taxpayer money to farmers with annual incomes up to $2.5 Million per year. When the Democrats proposed to reduce that to $ 500,000 per year, which is still too high, Bush threatened to VETO that bill. No help for low and middle income families but lets keep the money going to the wealthy. That is what Bush and the GOP members of Congress think is the right thing to do!

That isn't the question.

Did you purposely misrepresent the facts?

I made an error. However the issue is if Bush who makes 13 times the $60,000 can receive taxpayer paid health care why should that not be OK for middle Income families! Using the Bush arguments he and Cheney as well as all members of congress should not be receiving taxpayer paid health care!

lets not forget col who make more than 40,000 a year. maybe they should stop using the va system.

Reply By: danielost Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
lets not forget col who make more than 40,000 a year. maybe they should stop using the va system.


I never used the VA System. I am on Medicare which I paid for when I was employed. Nice Try. I am not the one that objects to families making up to $80,000 with help to insure the children have health care. That is Bush. It is ok for him making $800,000 to have government paid health care but not children of families with incomes of $60-80,000.

No you didn't pay for medicare when you were employed. You paid a tax. Now you are getting free benefits.

Col,

How do you feel about the expanding the SCHIP to legal aliens?

Reply By: Jythier Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
No you didn't pay for Medicare when you were employed. You paid a tax. Now you are getting free benefits.


Yes for 40 years I paid so others could receive Medicare. Now it is my turn. What is your problem with that?


Reply By: Adventure-Dude Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007
Col,

How do you feel about the expanding the SCHIP to legal aliens?

I would NOT cover them unless they were born in the U.S. and are American Citizens per the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. I do not agree Bush should VETO the new law because it may include illegal’s rather the law should be amended to correct that issue. The vast majority of the added children that would be covered are legal and are children that DO NOT have medical insurance.

The cost of health insurance today for a family runs about $ 7-8,000 per year. People making $50-80,000 do not have the money to pay $700 per month for just health coverage. The truth of that is the children we are talking about do not have insurance for the most part and Bush is a hypocrite for taking taxpayer paid health insurance for him and his family making $800,000 per year and telling us that middle income families making up to $80,000 can afford to pay their own insurance. Bush, Cheney and alike can and should be paying for their own PRIVATE health insurance.

Here's where you and I differ Col. You see when someone comes to the US as a Permanent resident (ie greencard) they have to be sponsored by someone. The application on the Affidavit of Support specifically states that the support is to show they make/have enough money to support the LEGAL alien so that they do not become a public burden. A Permanent resident does obtain a Social Security Card once after they have their permanent residency card. This legislature opened the doors to these people as well.

This legislature in my opinion negates the affidavit of support. The sponsor is not liable for the health insurance of the person they are sponsoring.

We have no way of knowing how many are LEGAL as opposed to Illegal. For legal aliens I would agree the people that sponsored them should be responsible for their support including medical insurance. If this bill covers illegal aliens, I would exclude them from this benefit.

The issue however is that I do not agree with Bush and his veto. The economic cost of NOT providing for health care for children carries into their future. For me it gets to what I see in Bush and other conservatives as their willingness to provide taxpayer help to the wealthy while arguing that middle income families should fend for themselves. Here are two examples I used is:

Bush and other senior officials receive benefits that Bush claims the average person should and can afford to pay for while accepting that same taxpayer benefit for him and his family.

The second example in the FARM Subsidy. Why farmers making up to $2.5 Million dollars should have EVER have been included in a program to protect small farmers is a good question. However now the Democrats are trying to limit that to $500,000 per year and Bush and the GOP want to continue giving taxpayer money to people that are in the TOP 1% income group. WHAT possible justification can Bush or anyone else give to continue paying farm subsidies to people that make millions of dollars per year?

Bush and Cheney receive health insurance as part of their job -- just like millions of Americans.  It is not a gift. Not charity. It is part of compensation package for that job.

By contrast, what you are arguing is that other people should have their property forcibly confiscated by the government and handed over to people who make up to $60k per year in order to provide the children of those people health insurance simply because the person $60k chooses not to insure their own children.

It's a ridiculous comparison but a telling one.

Reply By: Draginol Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2007
Bush and Cheney receive health insurance as part of their job -- just like millions of Americans. It is not a gift. Not charity. It is part of compensation package for that job.


The cost of his health insurance is paid by taxpayers just like the cost of the Bill he vetoed.


It is not a gift. Not charity. It is part of compensation package for that job.

By contrast, what you are arguing is that other people should have their property forcibly confiscated by the government and handed over to people who make up to $60k per year in order to provide the children of those people health insurance simply because the person $60k chooses not to insure their own children.

A family with $60,000 income might not be able to pay out $8,000 per year for JUST health Insurance.

I think we should vote on the amount we pay Bush and Cheney by how satisfied the voters are with the job they are doing for our country. That would mean Bush and Cheney would be taking a BIG cut in pay!

I think we should vote on the amount we pay Bush and Cheney by how satisfied the voters are with the job they are doing for our country. That would mean Bush and Cheney would be taking a BIG cut in pay!