Most Important Bush Domestic Policies Have FAILED

LOL.  Straight out of the DNC talking points.

As it's been shown to you before, this "bill" increases coverage to people other than children, illegal immigrants, and people who make enough to afford their own insurance. 

I see you don't mention how the povety rates have gone down.




Once again, this includes illegal immigrants, and people who choose not have insurance, or can afford it on their own.

Since you got pummeled in your other thread, I see it was time to start another useless "it's Bush's fault" thread.  LOL!

again he has taken a bunch of one liners from a bunch of different reports

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
"Number of people without health coverage jumped from 44.8 Million in 2005 to 47 Million in 2006.

One out of every nine children has no health care and Bush threatens to VETO a bill to add health coverage to another 3.3 Million Children.


. Straight out of the DNC talking points."

Straight out of the U.S. Census Bureau Report! The DNC must be using the U.S. Government data!

Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
again he has taken a bunch of one liners from a bunch of different reports


These are the RESULTS as reported by the Census Bureau and the Educational Testing Service. The results are the results!!!!!!

Number of people without health coverage jumped from 44.8 Million in 2005 to 47 Million in 2006.


Once again, this includes illegal immigrants, and people who choose not have insurance, or can afford it on their own.

Since you got pummeled in your other thread, I see it was time to start another useless "it's Bush's fault" thread. !

The Illegal immigrants were counted in the 2005 data as well. The reason for much of the increase in the people without coverage is that companies are CUTTING Health benefits and the NEW JOBS that Bush brags about do not have health benefits.

Since you ignored what was posted to you.

Soyou have no problem spending the money on people who are illegal, are not children, and can afford their own health insurance?

Where is that documented at?  Regardless, if the company doesn't have benefits, it's your choice also to work there.  But that doesn't matter.....lets blame Bush!

It is nice that you take the figures from the census the last one done was the year 2000 since each census of the nation is done every ten years and they extrapolate the figures for 9 years. This would mean that the last census was done during Mr. Clinton’s administration.

The census counts everyone that answers the form and does not care if the person is a citizen or not. So of the 50 million illegal immigrants 47 million don’t’ have health care.

The 3.3 million children that the democrats say don’t have health care range from infant to age 25. According to the democrats who want to cover anyone who makes less than 80,000 a year because they are poor.
My youngest son does not have health care and is 20 years old neither does his wife and soon to be born child.
My daughter has a child so my 25 year old daughter and her daughter all live with me so of that 3.3 million my kids and grand kids are considered poor and without health insurance. Both my children are classified as children even though they are able to vote.
My oldest son is 40 but makes under 80k because he is only a headmaster at a boarding school and until he gets married does not want health insurance.




I think I figured it out. You are not just a political hack you are an attention whore! No one in their right mind would believe as inconsistently as you and still be an adult. You are doing this in order to gain attention with your outlandish claims that any 9th grader could disprove just by watching the evening news every day.

Gene, are you that lonely that you feel you need to do this? I suggest you take all that money you have from all the different jobs you have worked and invest it on things you never had but always wanted. This may make you happy. You could buy friends, a mother that loves you or a father that claims you.
Sorry I was going for the cheap laugh.

FACTS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS WE CAN BLAME BUSH

So is the poverty amount being lower not a Bush truth since you neglected to post it on this article or do you plan on posting a separate article on this one subject of the "Census Bureau data on the Economy and health Care in America" to praise Bush for it?

Who's the hypocrite again Col? I'll give you 100 chances to guess and a mirror to help with the guessing.

I could not find anything on the report about wages. I guess I don't understand it to well but I only saw the word wage once and it wasn't even about the wages just a reference.



Well considering it was below 50,000 in 1999-2000, the difference is not much. Sure, it would have been better to be above it but considering what happened after 9/11 and based on the chart, it's going up as oppose to down so I'm not sure how this is a failure except maybe that it's not above 1999-2000 as oppose to much worse than it.



I'll never understand anyone's stance on this when so many people have already explained this and these numbers do not specify those who really don't have it for bad reasons. Sorry, this number can mean anything without details therefor is not a failure till proved with detail and as far as I've seen it's not a failure.



The veto can be blamed on the Democrats, they chose to change the bill to benefit adults, childless adults, people who's income can reach $80,000. This program was meant to help children, not adults or people with $80,000 incomes. I'm curious if you are willing to explain to me why it's OK to take a bill like this that would have benefited millions of children and change it in this matter as the Democrats have and ruin the chances or these kids getting this great program knowing fully that Bush would veto it because it creates a universal healthcare plan that Bush and many of us Americans do not want? Please Col, if you can be an adult for a moment and convince me of this I will yield to the idea and agree with it. Otherwise the real criminals here are the Democrats for doing this to the children.

I can agree with providing healthcare to children of parents who can't afford it. But only the children.



OK, 8 years that would put Clinton on this as well. Why did you not mention him? Just curious, you like pointing fingers at guilty parties, why not add Clinton as well? This is sad to me, not only is our education down it's actually worse than some other countries who's poverty rates are horrifying. hell, I've heard Cuba's education system is better than ours.

While I can agree with some of your points Col, you seem to make too much of a big deal out of things and won't point to some of the more positive stuff such as a strong economy that continues to grow as oppose to still being a bit below or the lower poverty rate you completely ignored. hell you didn't even scream over the other 12.6 that are still under this category. But as I mentioned before, you strive for you "Borg collective" dreamworld of perfection and nothing will ever satisfy you.

I'll give you a 2 1/2 stars out of 5 for this article.

Oh and I actually did some research such as the report itself and even an inflation calculator to understand this better before I replied. for me.

More people owning homes = fewer people per home = miniscule decrease in median "family" income. Leave it to Gene to try to make good news sound bad.

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Straight out of the U.S. Census Bureau Report! The DNC must be using the U.S. Government data!


Since you ignored what was posted to you.

“So you have no problem spending the money on people who are illegal, are not children, and can afford their own health insurance?”


I do care that Illegal’s are costing the American tax Payers money. However, that has nothing to do with the increase in the number of uncovered people because the illegals were part of the 44.8 Million reported in 2005 just like they are part of the 47 million in 2006. The reason for the increase is because more and more employers are cutting health care benefits and many of the new jobs have no benefits. An increase of 2.2 Million in one year is a lot!

If Bush had enforced our immigration laws and stopped illegal’s from crossing our borders we would have far less illegals that are costing the American tax Payers a lot of money!

Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
FACTS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS WE CAN BLAME BUSH


I guess you do not think the facts are favorable. You must be saying that the average family who has LESS income in 2006 then they had in 1999 is negative. Those are the facts.

I have asked the Census Bureau where I can find the Median Family Income change for 1999 to 2006 for the top 10% and top 1% of the population. I have also asked that same question for the bottom 20%. If they provide the answer I will post the data. My guess is that the Median Family Income for the top 1% and top 10% will show a large increase from 1999 to 2006. I also bet the bottom 20% will show a LARGE drop.

The point is that ONLY the wealthy have benefited from the economic policies of the past 6 years!

So what you are saying is that between 2005 and 2006 there were no illegal entering the country and being counted in the Census? And you call me an idiot? And I would also like to know how is it that you sound so sure of these replies of yours? Can you prove this statement, and I don't mean someones opinions, I want numbers, I want concrete proof that illegals are not partly responsible for this increase and I also want you to prove to me that this increase in people with no insurance is not due to people not getting insurance by their own free will. If you can prove these 2 things you got me. Otherwise, STFU.

Gene is just a lunatic footsoldier in the class war.

If what you say is true then why do you want to spend American tax payers money spent giving them health insurance?



if that you say is true then the new numbers are 50 million illegals and 47 million don't have health insurance.

Where are you getting your numbers from? It can't be the latest census because the latest census was conducted 2000 and 2001. The next census will be conducted 2010-2011. SO all the numbers you are using are projections not actual numbers or facts.

Since you only answered one part of the question, how about the rest?  The plan that you are taking DNC talking points from includes money for illegal immigrants, people that are not children, and people who make more than enough to afford their own insurance.




Stop blaming the government for peoples failure and poor planning.  You have such a hatred for anyone who makes something of themselves instead of leeching off the system and doing nothing to better themselves except blaming Bush, and blaming the government for not supporting them enough.

“So what you are saying is that between 2005 and 2006 there were no illegal entering the country and being counted in the Census?”

What I am saying is that the increase of 2.2 Million people without health insurance from 2005 and 2006 is not mainly from added illegals. It is from companies cutting out health care and new jobs that do not provide health care. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

no the point is that you haven't benefited from the economic policies of the past 6 years.


everyone on here except dreginal have explained to you how much better they are now than 6 years ago.


dreginal is paying 1 million in taxes every year. i don't know if that is personal taxes only or not. it doesn't matter.

i am not doing better because i really don't care.

The point is that ONLY the wealthy have benefited from the economic policies of the past 6 years!


Stop blaming the government for peoples failure and poor planning.

The Government policies are responsible. Trade policies that reward companies from sending better paying jobs to other countries. Tax breaks to big business that flow to the wealthy that receive the increases dividends. The huge tax cuts to people that have more money then they can ever need. Ignoring the plight of the low and middle income working families.

who are you to tell someone that they don't need that much money.

they hire maids, gardeners, chauffeurs, cooks, pool maintenance.

if they didn't have all that EXTRA money where would all of these people work.

Can you prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that all 2.2 million of these people lost insurance from companies cutting it as you just claimed above? Keep in mind that I came back to the US in June of 2006 and started my job as a temp and they did not offer insurance so I did not lose any insurance. I also got insurance about 2 months agor and so did my kids and my wife so the way I see it that is 4 less people this people which would mean an increase for 2007, that is not failing to me.

It's always an excuse, it's always the responsiblity of the government.  That is when a republican is in charge.  Typpical liberal excuses.