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Why the future doesnt need us

Why the future doesnt need us

Superintelligent AI and the Singularity

What happens when we create the first AI that is more intelligent then the average human? Well, with technological progress at the pace it is today it will only take us 2 decades to acomplish this.

So what happens then? Do we hope we didnt make a mistake and live our lives letting the AI enhance themselves further and further. Or do we stop and think about what the consequences might be. We never know when a simple math problem asigned to a super intelligent entity might cause the extinction of the human race.

So, heres a questions. Should technological progress become more limited?
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Reply #326 Top
That's a cope out. you don't understand yourself.

its a *cop* out, and its apparent only you are copping out as you should see I DID explain it.
It would still be conscious... just slow.

conciousness requires thought on multiple levels, while I guess you could be correct in that it would think and then store in working memory, you would have to have several terrabytes of RAM to get it to work at the speeds you're talking about.
But again, more importantly you're making claims you're not qualified to make.
I'm plenty more qualified than you are.
which isnt much, but its something.
Assuming that just because we don't understand something now that we'll never understand it is not credible.

assuming that our brains are too primitive to understand their higher level function is plenty credible

its debateable, but its not me calling on "divine explanation", there are plenty of neuroscientists quoted saying "if the brain was so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldnt" etc.
Prove that

prove what??? thats common knowledge! if you dont know the wave property of matter I dont know why you can consider ME non-credible
Under current tech the only downside has been heat production which at some point will force us to abandon silicon semiconductors for CPUs in favor of optical computers or something else that generates less heat

its the current issue, but its not the only issue we will ever encounter. thats a foolish thought
In addition it must be noted that our brains are very slow. What makes our brains powerful is millions of parallel processors all operating rather slowly all at once.

yes, but collectively we outprocess any computer ever constructed.
The brain does not include the power supply unit...

oh, so our neurons dont have Mitochondria? thats news to me!
Well, if the computer's processors are faster then it should require fewer of them to achieve the same calculative power. Ergo if anything we should be able to make it smaller.

again, they would only be able to function on a few problems at once, and simply the time spent switching in and out of problems to immitate a parrallel processor would go beyond what our brains take to accomplish the same task.
The machine could be the size of a planet and my point wouldn't be effected

yes it would, as simply the time taken to move data to one point from another (let alone back and forth from Japan to Britain over and over) would give our brains the upper hand.
It's been solid for more then 80

we havent had computers for 80 years! we've had them for barely over 60! and for that fact the law was developed only 20 years ago, so its credibility is hardly anything near solid.
Exaggerating doesn't make you sound credible it makes you sound petty.

I'm not exaggerating, its exactly what you're saying.

but even if we take a step back your point wont hold because there are still various problems that develop WELL before then.
anyway, you seem to have allowed yourself to get all emotional again...

I'm not being emotional, you're using a classical ad hominem ploy to avoid something you cannot counteract.

you just simply cannot hold an argument because you call on unqualified points and "laws" that hold no credibility beyond the VERY short term, of which our argument extends far beyond.

how about you come back in 48 hours when you have a valid point? because I dont see one here.

That said, quantum computers will have "parts" that are smaller then an atom

besides the obvious point that everything has parts smaller than an atom... you and I are talking computers, not quantum computers (which are a very different subject)
Reply #327 Top
when your points are usually extremely controversial, and/or say "come and get me" (topic thread) you see what happens.


Your right, I expect it to happen, but people let me down by letting it happen. If people learned to leave things alone the world would be a little better.
Reply #328 Top
oh lies, you like to argue.

besides, the world wouldnt be a better place, we tried it and it left us with the dark ages.
Reply #329 Top
oh lies, you like to argue.


That may be true, I like to argue, not recieve verbal assaults.

besides, the world wouldnt be a better place, we tried it and it left us with the dark ages.


You might be right, or not. Sh... it happens.
Reply #330 Top
That may be true, I like to argue, not recieve verbal assaults

that hardly qualifies as a verbal assault.
saying I'm a "typical american" followed by a string of anti-american sentiment is a verbal assault.
You might be right, or not. Sh... it happens.

me being wrong? yeah, it happens, but not often.
Reply #331 Top
me being wrong? yeah, it happens, but not often.


No, shit happening, seeing as you being right is equavilent to shit I can see where you make the relation. *shrugs*   

that hardly qualifies as a verbal assault.
saying I'm a "typical american" followed by a string of anti-american sentiment is a verbal assault


Where is that string of anti-american sentiments?
Reply #332 Top
Where is that string of anti-american sentiments?

ah, but where is there a TGE post?
that be where there are anti-america sentiments.
No, shit happening, seeing as you being right is equavilent to shit I can see where you make the relation. *shrugs*

because you're all for peaceful arguments where attacking the other person (because he's right and you ain't) is out of bounds.


I think you have a form of forum-bipolar going on, seeing as you flip-flop between posts.
Reply #333 Top
ah, but where is there a TGE post?
that be where there are anti-america sentiments.


Hah, avoiding the subject. I want a direct quote of me being anti american. AFTER the 'typical american' comment.

because you're all for peaceful arguments where attacking the other person (because he's right and you ain't) is out of bounds.


Oh, I always hold the 'why can't we all be friends' view close to my heart.


I think you have a form of forum-bipolar going on, seeing as you flip-flop between posts.


Oh, do I? Cause I realy dont mean too, I am sorry if I am. SO back off buddy?

There I go again, typing in a bypolar fashion.

I even doubt you know what bypolar disorder is actually like. Hm? I am sorry to inform you, but you cant be 'bypolar' on a forum.
Reply #334 Top

again, how do you create something that thinks when all you know about its base is that it exists?


By defining the characteristics that we need to be able to say something is thinking, then start working on ways to do that.
Reply #335 Top
I'm plenty more qualified than you are.

I'm not even going to bother asking you why you think that... again... I'll give you a few days to calm down off your napoleon complex...

*chuckles*
Reply #336 Top
I'm not even going to bother asking you why you think that... again... I'll give you a few days to calm down off your napoleon complex...

state for me what the wave property of matter is and WHY I'm citing it and I might maybe perhaps have a little confidence that you know what I'm talking about.

now, if you would step off of your kiddish shit-slinging you might learn something. age a few years and we can actually talk.

*goes off to munch on carrots*
Reply #337 Top
I'll give you a few days to calm down off your napoleon complex...


Oh trust me, he will never get off that.
Reply #338 Top
yeah, its kinda hard to get over what only others have.
Reply #339 Top
Oh, store it. You soo definetly have a napoleon complex.
Reply #340 Top
really, and what evidence do you have of that?


last I checked I simply knew how to take over the world, never really tried. and seeing as I'm not the one with "emperor" in my name (and "great" and "the") I easily have the upper hand here.
Reply #341 Top
and "the")


that is now untrue <3
Reply #342 Top
I'm not even going to bother asking you why you think that... again... I'll give you a few days to calm down off your napoleon complex...

state for me what the wave property of matter is and WHY I'm citing it and I might maybe perhaps have a little confidence that you know what I'm talking about.

now, if you would step off of your kiddish shit-slinging you might learn something. age a few years and we can actually talk.

*goes off to munch on carrots*


λ = h/mv
Reply #343 Top
so do you understand what that means? it means that smaller particles have greater influence over distances beyond a certain point, compounded with low mass means that they are constantly changing in velocity and wavelength

as a result they are VERY fallible carriers of information. hence the lower bound issue on modern style computers that I've been repeatedly pointing out to you
Reply #344 Top
let me again stress that this point is only relevant to the objects we call "computers", whatever could get smaller would need to be of radically different design.
Reply #345 Top
Hm... what evidence.

Lets quote some of your most said statements.

"I know I am never wrong, and when I am I still win."
"I pick the harder side of arguements as a challange."
"I'm God"

Hm... there you have ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, and I dont think I am the greatest thing that has happened to the universe since the Beatles, you however do think so. Soo.... even though I might have a overexaggerated name, its just a character for a forum. "I'm not like this in real life".
Reply #346 Top
Hm... what evidence.

Lets quote some of your most said statements.

"I know I am never wrong, and when I am I still win."
"I pick the harder side of arguements as a challange."
"I'm God"

Hm... there you have ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, and I dont think I am the greatest thing that has happened to the universe since the Beatles, you however do think so. Soo.... even though I might have a overexaggerated name, its just a character for a forum. "I'm not like this in real life".


Well i'm the greatest thing since Elvis Costello!
Reply #347 Top
Hm... what evidence.

Lets quote some of your most said statements.

"I know I am never wrong, and when I am I still win."
"I pick the harder side of arguements as a challange."
"I'm God"

Hm... there you have ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, and I dont think I am the greatest thing that has happened to the universe since the Beatles, you however do think so. Soo.... even though I might have a overexaggerated name, its just a character for a forum. "I'm not like this in real life".

you have no sense of humor, all I'm doing is parodying your incesant whining that I'm pompous.

asside from the "I choose stupid sides of arguments and make them smart" part, thats real.
Reply #348 Top
You can take offense to that all you like and then some. That still doesn't change the fact that nobody knows how the mind really works. Lots of people know how the BRAIN works to some extent, as far as the chemistry and physics is concerned, but most theories of the mind are pure conjecture. If you know so much about the mind, please cite even one shred of a document that explains, for instance, how memories are stored and recalled with absolute certainty. If you can find even a wayward paragraph that isn't contended in any way that discusses how the neocortex works, how friendships are made, or how we associate smells with foods (without getting into psychoanalytic BS) I'd like to see it. And so would the neuroscientific community at large.
Reply #349 Top
you have no sense of humor


I have no sense of humor? Plese now Schem, how deluted can you possibly be?
Reply #350 Top
oh here comes that whining again...