The Bush Policy in Pakistan has Backfired!

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Now the President’s security advisor, Fran Thompson admitted yesterday that the Bush agreement to support Musharraf plan to allow the tribal leaders along the border regions of Pakistan alone has allowed al-Qaeda to establish a stronghold in the region in conjunction with Afghanistan. The NIE said the same thing and we now have an expanded al-Qaeda.

As I suggested we need to more aggressively attack the real enemy which are the foreign terrorists and get our forces out of the Civil War In Iraq. I also pointed out the potential danger in Pakistan with my Blog of 7 July.

It does not seem that any of the Bush choices in fighting the War on Terrorism does anything but make our security problems worse.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
One-sided gene that can do nothing but give us the gloom and doom outlook on everything.


President Bush's homeland security advisor says the U.S. wants to work with Pakistan to shut down terrorist outposts along the Pakistani-Afghan border. But Frances Townsend also makes clear, the Bush administration may be willing to launch military strikes in the remote region as a last resort.

Frances Townsend says the U.S. is committed to working with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf to control terrorist activity along the border.

"First and foremost, we are working with our Pakistani allies to deny the safe havens," she said.




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Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
One-sided gene that can do nothing but give us the gloom and doom outlook on everything.

That is what the President's Security Advisor said yesterday on the TV news shows! Argue with her and the conclusion of the NIE!



"First and foremost, we are working with our Pakistani allies to deny the safe havens," she said.

Then HOW has al-Qaeda established their operations in Pakistan?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then HOW has al-Qaeda established their operations in Pakistan?


Maybe because it's a lawless region without any real control.  Maybe it's because the political situation in Pakistan is very unstable.  Maybe it's because the left would have a fit if we did anything to Pakistan.  I mean seriously, you need to move on.



That is what the President's Security Advisor said yesterday on the TV news shows! Argue with her and the conclusion of the NIE!


She said the U.S. is also considering military action to stop these activities, and she didn't seem to give a "gloom and doom" outlook like yourself always does.  But that doesn't matter because this is all about one thing.....blaming Bush. 


Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
As I suggested we need to more aggressively attack the real enemy which are the foreign terrorists and get our forces out of the Civil War In Iraq. I also pointed out the potential danger in Pakistan with my Blog of 7 July.

It does not seem that any of the Bush choices in fighting the War on Terrorism does anything but make our security problems worse.




so your declaring war on Pakistan are you
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
so your declaring war on Pakistan are you


According to Col, dead soldiers and wasted money are only good if they die and are spent by his terms. It's kinda funny considering that not so long ago he wanted to bring our soldiers home because that's what the "vast majority of Americans want" yet now he wants us to fight Al-qaeda in Pakistan. But how will we fight them if our soldiers are home in the US? Or how can our soldiers go home like "the vast majority of people want" if they are gonna be sent to Pakistan.

AS I have pointed out time and time again, Col gene has zero skills at staying along the lines of his own beliefs. Cols beliefs change with the topic just like a camilion changes color with the background.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
" She said the U.S. is also considering military action to stop these activities"
Why have we allowed al-Qaeda to establish operations in the area? What ever we are doing with Pakistan has not prevented the establishment of these foreign terrorists in Pakistan. Before 9/11 al-Qaeda was principally operating out of Afghanistan. Six Years later after this all out war on terrorism, al-Qaeda is operating in three countries in that area-- Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Does not sound like the Bush policies have contained al-Qaeda.

Every time I see one of the Bushies on this Blog site attempt to defend or make excuses for the failure of the Bush policies I think of a rather vulgar saying in the military--

“You can not polish s**t” That is just what each of you is doing when you attempt to justify, ignore or deflect the failures of the Bush administration. It does not matter if the failure is in the Bush Iraq policy, border security, trade, deficit, Social Security, Medicare, Energy, education, ignoring the infrastructure and the environment, you attempt to "Polish his S**t".
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Reply By: CharlesCS1 Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
So you’re declaring war on Pakistan are you?

NO I suggested the very same thing that the President's National Security Advisor said were options for Bush with respect to al-Qaeda operating in Pakistan!
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
NO I suggested the very same thing that the President's National Security Advisor said were options for Bush with respect to al-Qaeda operating in Pakistan!


except that you demand that we do it now
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
“You can not polish s**t” That is just what each of you is doing when you attempt to justify, ignore or deflect the failures of the Bush administration. It does not matter if the failure is in the Bush Iraq policy, border security, trade, deficit, Social Security, Medicare, Energy, education, ignoring the infrastructure and the environment, you attempt to "Polish his S**t".


No.  We are just pointing our your misrepresentations and lack of facts to back up your opinions.  Let's remember you attempt the same thing when it deals with democrats. 
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Reply By: danielost Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
NO I suggested the very same thing that the President's National Security Advisor said were options for Bush with respect to al-Qaeda operating in Pakistan!


“except that you demand that we do it now” This is what I have been saying


That is exactly what the Security Advisor said. Our problem is we have the majority of our military assets tied up in the sectarian war in Iraq. We must get out of that and concentrate on where the REAL danger to our security lies- that is not in Baghdad or patrolling the streets to stop the factions in Iraq from killing each other!
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Reply By: CharlesCS1 Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
So you’re declaring war on Pakistan are you?

NO I suggested the very same thing that the President's National Security Advisor said were options for Bush with respect to al-Qaeda operating in Pakistan!


You idiot, that was not me. What a moron, you can't even point out who writes what on this site.
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“No. We are just pointing out your misrepresentations and lack of facts to back up your opinions.”

Since my opinions are the same as the NIE and the President's security advisor, please explain why you disagree with me?
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why have we allowed al-Qaeda to establish operations in the area? What ever we are doing with Pakistan has not prevented the establishment of these foreign terrorists in Pakistan.


Because the Pakistani Gov't has not allowed the US to enter Pakistani territory. They took it upon themselves to take care of Al-qaeda.

Before 9/11 al-Qaeda was principally operating out of Afghanistan. Six Years later after this all out war on terrorism, al-Qaeda is operating in three countries in that area-- Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Does not sound like the Bush policies have contained al-Qaeda.


And what does that tell you? They are spread, they are not united. They are working separately. We have them broken up so they can not create large scale attacks because of this. How is it that you see this as a bad thing?

Every time I see one of the Bushies on this Blog site attempt to defend or make excuses for the failure of the Bush policies I think of a rather vulgar saying in the military--

“You can not polish s**t” That is just what each of you is doing when you attempt to justify, ignore or deflect the failures of the Bush administration. It does not matter if the failure is in the Bush Iraq policy, border security, trade, deficit, Social Security, Medicare, Energy, education, ignoring the infrastructure and the environment, you attempt to "Polish his S**t".


Well if it's vulgar I can see how you know it so well.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since my opinions are the same as the NIE and the President's security advisor, please explain why you disagree with me?


Col, did you not realize the last time that our opinions are the same as the NIE?
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since my opinions are the same as the NIE and the President's security advisor, please explain why you disagree with me?


I've already shown how "your" opinion is NOT backed by the NIE. Would you like me to repost it here?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
the nie wants to work with Pakistan. you want to invade Pakistan
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Reply By: danielost Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
The NIE wants to work with Pakistan. You want to invade Pakistan


Fran Thompson said yesterday that the U.S. would consider using military force against al-Qaeda in Pakistan to include air attacks and the Predator Drone with the hellfire missile just as I suggested earlier. You are all so full of BS it comes out of your ears. The simple fact is that the Bush policy which was to agree with the President of Pakistan to allow the local Tribal Chiefs alone has backfired and allowed al-Qaeda to become entrenched in Pakistan as well as to become stronger in Afghanistan. Our invasion in Iraq has also allowed al-Qaeda to set up operations in Iraq even though we have 160,000 troops in Iraq and trained 350,000 Iraqi Military. The way Bush has been fighting the war on Terrorism has allowed the foreign terrorists that are responsible for 9/11, the attack on the Cole and the first twin tower attacks to regroup and expand into two new countries. If any of the idiots who support the Bush policy are saying that is an effective way to fight and win this war on Terrorism you have lost you minds!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
he also said if the pakistan government can't do it themselves and for now we were going to sit and watch
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Reply By: danielost Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007
“He also said if the Pakistan government can't do it themselves and for now we were going to sit and watch”

That is what we have been doing as al-Qaeda set up operations in Pakistan. The way bush is fighting the War on Terrorism is NOT WORKING!
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
That is what we have been doing as al-Qaeda set up operations in Pakistan. The way bush is fighting the War on Terrorism is NOT WORKING!


and we have found out that your way is no different than bushes except you would invade a friendly nation. at least the government is friendly.

and you through a big puff about bush alienating friendly nations.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
“And we have found out that your way is no different than bushes except you would invade a friendly nation. At least the government is friendly.”


danielost

Show me where I said I would invade another country?

I said I would attack al-Qaeda Cells with Air power, Drones and Boots in the ground for short incursions if essential. I did not advocate what Bush has done in Iraq. That was a mistake and should not be repeated! It sounds as if you now agree our invasion of Iraq was a mistake!
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I said I would attack al-Qaeda Cells with Air power, Drones and Boots in the ground for short incursions if essential. I did not advocate what Bush has done in Iraq. That was a mistake and should not be repeated! It sounds as if you now agree our invasion of Iraq was a mistake!




i don't care what you call it. it is still an invasion of a friendly nation
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't care what you call it. It is still an invasion of a friendly nation

I guess you suggestion is to do what Bush has been doing and allow al-Qaeda to continue to grow and plan attacks against the U.S. Pakistan has not controlled the border areas.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Pakistan has not controlled the border areas.


maybe maybe not but right now they are in the area dieing
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess you suggestion is to do what Bush has been doing and allow al-Qaeda to continue to grow and plan attacks against the U.S. Pakistan has not controlled the border areas.


I guess you are suggesting to do what Bush has done in Iraq, invade a country against it's will. I mean how can you "attack al-Qaeda Cells with Air power, Drones and Boots in the ground for short incursions if essential" without invading Pakistan? You really have lost you mind. You can't win Col, you either follow in Bush's footsteps and swallow your words or we let Al-qaeda continue and you, again, have to swallow your words.