Steam Pipe Break in NY

Replacing that steam pipe is NOT in the presidents purview. That rests "entirely" on the shoulders the Mayor of NYC and his Public Works Department and possibly it's governor. Nice try you old fool.

Reply By: drmiler Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2007
Replacing that steam pipe is NOT in the president’s purview. That rests "entirely" on the shoulders the Mayor of NYC and his Public Works Department and possibly its governor. Nice try you old fool.


YOU ARE THE FOOL. Many elements of the infrastructure that need replacement are Federal like Dams and birdies. Also the cost of replacing things like sewer and water systems is so great cities and states do not have the tax revenue available to pay for the replacement. You just keep making excuses and when a major dam bursts or bridge collapses you can tell us how it is not the responsibility of the fed. That will not fix the problem and it does not change the fact that Bush WASTED enough money on a needless war to have rebuilt most of the infrastructure in the entire country! YOU ARE A STUPID ASS!

And you're a JERK-OFF!!! I can also see that you don't know a whole lot about nothing. The "ONLY" roads that the federal government has "anything" to do with are "Interstate" highways. ALL other internal infrastructure is the state/city/town/counties problem! And don't even talk about tax revenue! Have you never seen signs along side a highway being repaired that say "Your tax dollars at work"? Now smarten up!

Case in point...."Pennsylvania Turnpike" is supported ONLY by the toll money generated. And that is "pure fact"! Also when the bridge in CA collapsed from an earthquake...CA got NO help from the US government to fix it. When was the last time you heard of a dam bursting in the US or for that matter a bridge collapsing due to improper maintenance or neglect?

first of all. all that money that bush has supposedly wasted would never have gone to new york city or any other city or local area in the usa. unless it was declared a national desaster area.

as new orleans was. as parts of texas has been.

second do you know how many millions of miles of just steam pipes there are under new york. this is the kind of thing you don't fix unless it breaks and only in the area that it broke in. ie if it isn't broke don't fix it.


third when was the last time you saw any road crew with the logo of the united states of america on the side of the truck.

the only road i know of that the federal government has ever built was the candain alaska highway and canada maintains that one.

oh and the name on the side of that road equipment was us army.

huh, i actually kinda agree with gene here.

i think that we would all be better off if the government would be more responsible for infrastructure. but everything comes at a cost. i do think that we should do away with a lot of the welfare handouts and social programs, and a lot of other things that we waste our taxpayer money on.

we could cut back in a ton of places, i could go on and so could most of you.

the point is, our gov. takes responsibility for things it shouldn't and lets things it should be taking care of fall apart.

we should be paying for upkeep of our roads and cities, defense, law enforcement, and security.

all other thing should be handled by private endeavors. there are people who would do all of the things using private money.

blah, blah.

hey dan. you are right. but i think it would be good if the government found ways of making money, rather than just spending it.

its trickier than just making us gov road crews or other things, but i've thought of this before. what if our gov. had a product, something tangible that we would technically all own a part of, that made some money?
think about that for a minute.

why not let the government buy non voteing stocks

the only product i can think of that the usa has is statehood

"And you're a JERK-OFF!!! I can also see that you don't know a whole lot about nothing. The "ONLY" roads that the federal government has "anything" to do with are "Interstate" highways. "

That is Correct. There are no bridges on those roads? Almost ALL dams are federal. The other issue you ignore is that no matter who SHOULD repair our infrastructure the fact is IT IS NOT BEING DONE. It will make no difference if the responsibility is a City, State, Public Utility or the Fed when it fails. The result will be the same. Another fact is that the cost to replace or rebuild many of these items is so great that States and cities DO NOT HAVE THE TAX REVENUE to repair infrastructure. The point is that Bush has WASTED an amount of Federal money (that we have borrowed and are paying interest on) to invade a country we had no business invading. Had that SAME Federal revenue been used to help Cities, States etc rebuild our infrastructure our country would be FAR BETTER OFF then too have spent that money on Iraq!

The other issue that is ignored is that if the Fed had spent the Trillion dollars to rebuild our infrastructure it would have used contractors that would have hired workers. Those workers would have spent the money to help the economy. The contractors would have made a profit to reinvest in the economy. Suppliers of the materials would have hired people and made a profit. This notion that when the fed spends tax money it goes into a black hole is just BS. Not only would that spending have helped workers and the companies doing the work but when we were done would the country have infrastructure that would support our society for the next hundred years or more. Let’s compare that with what we have after spending that money in Iraq. 3,600 dead, 26,000 injured a country in ruin, millions of new enemies dedicated to harming our country. If look at the results of spending that Trillion dollars there is NO question that spending it on the infrastructure would have been FAR better for the people of the United States then on the Iraq War!

Unbelievable.  Col has found a way to blame EVERYTHING on Bush.  LOL.




This is the classic liberal tactic that if there was no war in Iraq that the money used there would be spent elsewhere on projects like this, and that is just false.

it would have never been spent on infrastructure

“This is the classic liberal tactic that if there was no war in Iraq that the money used there would be spent elsewhere on projects like this, and that is just false.”

YOU’RE NUTS. This has NOTHING to do with Liberal. You are telling me that to have rebuilt the infrastructure that supports our way of life is not better then what we have done in Iraq in totally irrational. If that is what you are saying you belong in Belleview Mental Hospital.

Reply By: danielost
Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2007
If look at the results of spending that Trillion dollars there is NO question that spending it on the infrastructure would have been FAR better for the people of the United States then on the Iraq War!


it would have never been spent on infrastructure


The point I raised is that the use of that money would have been FAR better to rebuild our infrastructure then to Invade Iraq. The reason why it would not have been done is because the leadership fails to do what is BEST for our country!!!

yes the leadership the congress, the house, the president, the democrats, the republicans.

by the way the gas tax that you pay everytime you fill up is supposed to go to roads only.

Ah, twisting words once again.  Like I said, if there was no war in Iraq the pipes in NY would be the same.   Fixing infrastructure is important, but for you to try and twist it into some kind of Bush bashing is pathetic.  Get some help for your Bush obsession.

“Ah, twisting words once again. Like I said if there was no war in Iraq the pipes in NY would be the same. Fixing infrastructure is important, but for you to try and twist it into some kind of Bush bashing is pathetic. Get some help for your Bush obsession.”


What I said is the reason what you claim is because the leadership starting with the President and Congress is not doing what is best for the long term interest of our country. They have invaded Iraq which was no danger to our country and spent a Trillion dollars , killed 3,600 and injured 26,000 but they do not rebuild the structures ESSENTIAL to the continuation of our society. That is a FAILURE of leadership and you can call it Bush Bashing but it is an accurate statement of Bush and his lack of leadership and the lack of Congressional leadership that supported the inept policies of GWB!

We elect a president to lead and solve major problems that face us. Bush has not done that!!!!!!!

i have been thinking about this gene and the steam pipes in new york are owned by a utility company of some kind.

which means that they are private property. and are not the responsibility of either the fed, the state, or the city. but of the utility company. as are all utilities in all cities in this country.

true story dan

Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2007
I have been thinking about this gene and the steam pipes in New York are owned by a utility company of some kind.

Which means that they are private property. and are not the responsibility of either the fed, the state, or the city. but of the utility company as are all utilities in all cities in this country.

I do not know who owns the steam piles in NY. It may be a private for profit utility. The issue you do not get is that the infrastructure regardless who owns it is NOT BEING replaced. When it fails the public is impacted. Tell me what would happen if a major water or sewer system collapsed and was not useable for a year or two? Tell me what would happen if a major dam burst, destroyed the communities in the wake of the water and then there was no flood control or power generation if the dam was part of the electric generation system. The amount of money required replacing many of the infrastructure items are so expensive private companies, states and cities alone do not have the revenue to fix them. The so called market place where these facilities are publicly owned are NOT replacing them. What Bush has wasted in our tax dollars on the Iraq war could have subsidized the repair of the essential facilities. He has spent Billions of our tax dollars in Iraq to rebuild their infrastructure although almost all of those Billions have need wasted and the rebuilding has not been completed successfully. The issue is not who owns the particular item but that they are ESSENTIAL and they are NOT BEING REPLACED! The issue is Bush has WASTED a TRILLION DOLLARS in Iraq that could have been used to rebuild our essential infrastructure.

The issue here is you just found something else to blame Bush for, that's it.  The war in Iraq has nothing to do with this steam pipe break, it's seriously pathetic that you can't find anything better to do than find ridiculous thing to blame Bush for.

i agree unless dictator gene is advocating that we become communist. that didn't work in Russia, not working in china. which is important because china has been living under the guise of communism long before there was communism.

I can't believe it, I just can't believe it. The fact that Col managed to blame Bush for the broken pipeline in New York truly proves to me the obsession, stupidity and ignorance of our resident troll Col gene.

For starters the responsible party is the New York Gov't not Bush. Mayor Bloomberg is the one who is responsible for fixing this. What your idiotic brain failed to notice is that NY has inspectors who check this kinda stuff often. They either missed this sucker or they reported it incorrectly. Either way, do you know the history of New Your at all? Do you know the underground system there? There are pipelines, cables, tunnels, etc. of which they have no plans for. It would be ridiculous to say that this can be fixed when chances are no one knows where half of the pipes are.

Let's be realistic here for a moment. The infrastructure under New York is enormous. Everything from steam pipelines, power lines, phones lines, fiber optic cables, sewer lines, drain pipes, tunnels, subway systems, etc. are down there. At times to fix one thing something else has to be interrupted. Then there is the streets of New York. Can you imagine trying to rebuild the infrastructure of any of these utilities I mentioned in New York? The traffic it will cause, the interruptions of service that will happen, trains may need to be stopped and to make it worse the time it will take. Even if done at night it would slow down the entire state.

Col you are being ridiculous and ignorant over some of the things you think should be done, not to mention that you also expect them to be solved before the Presidents 4 years are up. You are unrealistic and don't deserve a page this site. Too bad you can't be voted out.

I'm sorry buddy but the fact that the Gov't has a track record on being very unreliable and unable to handle the current responsibilities that it has, I seriously doubt that handing over the maintenance of the countries infrastructure would be a good idea. Last thing we need is for the Federal Gov't to put this on the back burner and decide just who gets it first and when. Responsibility should fall on the local Gov't. If we gonna place all responsibilities on the Federal Gov't, why do we need Governors and Mayors for?

And what is this obsession with letting the Gov't do everything for us? Are we that lazy and stupid that we need to be babied 24/7?

While this "may be correct". You can't lay this at Bush's feet. When a person who has NOTHING to do with the problem get blamed for it, The arguement itself becomes ignorant. Talk to the state representatives about it.




FOR THE LAST TIME....IT'S NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS JOB TO REPLACE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE! The states get money from the government to help with this. You can't blame GW if the states use it for something else. And BTW....That's why you pay "STATE" income tax, idiot!

FOR THE LAST TIME....IT'S NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS JOB TO REPLACE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE!

Hey IDIOT drmiler-- Explain that when a major infrastructure fails and thousands or millions of people have no water, sewer, electric service or their home is washed away from a Dam burst!


It was also not our responsibility to remove Saddam and spend a Trillion dollars on an unneeded war!