COL Gene

Al-Qaede Must be Destroyed in Iraq to Protect America!

Al-Qaede Must be Destroyed in Iraq to Protect America!



The argument that President Bush falls back on to NOT begin removing U.S. Forces from Iraq is that our withdrawal would allow the foreign terrorist organizations to plan and conduct future attacks in our country. The notion we are better to fight them over there then here.

The truth is that even if we were able to eliminate ALL foreign terrorist operations in Iraq we would remain in the same danger from future attacks by al-Qaeda et al. All the previous attacks such as the first twin tower bombings, The Cole, and 9/11 were all planned and conducted from al-Qaeda NOT LOCATED IN IRAQ! Our NIE has concluded that al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and the border region of Pakistan are as viable as they were BEFORE 9/11. Thus even if we were able to destroy al-Qaeda in Iraq, we have the same level of danger of future attacks as before 9/11.

What has prevented another attach is NOT that the Bush War on Terrorism has succeeded in reducing the danger. It is that we have been more adept at defending ourselves from these attacks. Bush himself has admitted there have been attempts to attack the U.S. since 9/11.

Bush now says the NIE report that said al-Qaeda has reconstituted itself is not true. How would Bush know that? He has no first hand intelligence. The one thing that is documented is spades in the Tenet Book; At the Center of the storm is that Bush does not pay attention to anything that does not support what HE WANTS TO DO.

Between March and September 2002, before 9/11 there were many very cogent warnings that the U.S. was in danger of attack from bin Laden and al-Qaeda. The Bush administration ignored EVERY one of those warnings. There was not a single warning that we were in ANY danger from an attack by Saddam—ONLY al-Qaeda and bin Laden. What did Bush do as soon as 9/11 took place—Moved forwarded with his plan to invade Iraq and sent only a token force into Afghanistan were 9/11 was planned.

We are expending the vast majority of our resources chasing an illusion—that if we eliminate al-Qaeda from Iraq we will have reduced the risk of future attacks. Just the opposite is what the NIE concluded when our 16 Intelligence agencies said the Iraq War is the major cause of the increase in foreign terrorism.

When you look at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Israel it is not possible to conclude that the Bush approach to fight the Islamic terrorism that grips all of these countries IS WORKING! The principle reason is that Bush does not use the available intelligence to formulate policy and continue to evaluate the effectiveness of our efforts. He decides on a plan and then looks for those elements of the intelligence that appear to support the preconceived policy he has chosen and either ignores or keeps secret any intelligence that suggests what he is doing is not in our best interest or is not working!
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Reply #26 Top

I want us to redeploy out of the areas where the sectarian fighting is taking place and allow the Iraqi military to deal with the fighting just like the Iraq PM said they could last week!


Col, you've been saying that since way before the Iraqi military was ready. What excuse can you give me for wanting us to leave back then? How's about you let our experts make the decisions. You are no longer military, you are not a politician so stop acting as if you have all the good ideas when they have done or are doing everything you claim should be done yet you complain it is not being done.

The Iraqi Government has done NOTHING toward solving the political issues for over a YEAR and now they are going on vacation while our military continue to die and we spend $12 Billion per month. YOU ARE THE IDIOT along with Bush!


Let's see, according to the report they have reached 8 goals and 2 inconclusive which means they could have or could have not. It seems that they are. The military is almost ready, the police is almost ready, how can you claim they have done nothing in a year when you wrote an article yesterday stating the PM claims the military and the police are ready? Who does the PM work for? Duh, the Iraqi Gov't, the one you claim has done nothing for a year. Make up your mind you fool. I'm an idiot? I'm not the one saying the Iraqi Gov't has done nothing in one reply while stating that their military is ready on another. Man you are so stupid you can't even follow your own line of thinking.
Reply #27 Top

"Col, you've been saying that since way before the Iraqi military was ready."

Well NOW the PM says the Iraqi Military is READY.. That means there is no excuse for us to remain fighting a battle they can not fight!
Reply #28 Top
“Let's see, according to the report they have reached 8 goals and 2 inconclusive which means they could have or could have not. It seems that they are. The military is almost ready, the police are almost ready, how can you claim they have done nothing in a year when you wrote an article yesterday stating the PM claims the military and the police are ready? Who does the PM work for? Duh, the Iraqi Gov't, the one you claim has done nothing for a year.”

NOW let me show you just how stupid you are. I said the Iraqi Government did not move forward on the POLITICAL ISSUES. I did not say the did not achieve some of the Military objectives. We have spent 4 years to train 350,000 of their military and about 50,000 police. That is what the PM said can defend Iraq.
Reply #29 Top
the Iraqi government went on a recess. did you ever think that they might be going home to get back in touch with the people.

when bush comes here to the ranch or goes to Maine on vacation. do you really think he is on vacation.
Reply #30 Top
Reply By: danielost Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007
"the Iraqi government went on a recess. did you ever think that they might be going home to get back in touch with the people."

ARE YOU KIDDING- ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL WOULD MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT!

Explain that to families of the Americans that will die and be injured while the Iraqis are on vacation! They have done nothing for over a year!
Reply #31 Top
Explain that to families of the Americans that will die and be injured while the Iraqis are on vacation! They have done nothing for over a year!


OK if they don't get in touch with the people they represent then how do they know what the people want.


oh wait i forgot the people want whatever the politicians want.
Reply #32 Top
Well NOW the PM says the Iraqi Military is READY.. That means there is no excuse for us to remain fighting a battle they can not fight!


Oh so now you wanna believe the same Gov't you said on another article was a failure? You see, this is what I mean about you not following your own line of reasoning. Today you say the Iraqi Gov't is a failure, tomorrow you say they are ready because one of them said there were. You do this all the time with the US Gov't. Today you say the intelligence agencies are not doing their job then tomorrow you wanna use their reports to bash Bush. You nit-pick what is convenient to you.


NOW let me show you just how stupid you are. I said the Iraqi Government did not move forward on the POLITICAL ISSUES. I did not say the did not achieve some of the Military objectives. We have spent 4 years to train 350,000 of their military and about 50,000 police. That is what the PM said can defend Iraq.


And what the hell do you think the military preparations in Iraq are? It is the Iraqi Gov'ts responsibility to make sure their military is ready and prepared. It is a political issue just like the war in Iraq is a political issue her in the US. I'm stupid? You just threw yourself on the grill and cooked yourself with this reply. The Iraqi army and police are the responsibility of the Iraqi Govt so that makes them a political issue since it's what everyone wants done at this moment. Man you really are stupid.
Reply #33 Top
OK if they don't get in touch with the people they represent then how do they know what the people want?


These people can not agree on the day of the week much less get in touch with the people. NOTHING is moving on solving the political issues and that is why we MUST GET OUT!

Hell in America our leader does not care what the people want. He ignores anything but what HE WANTS- The DECIDER.
Reply #34 Top
All we have to do is keep the peace long enough for everyone who wants to leave Iraq to leave. After that, we can go to border patrols and make sure nobody ever leaves again.
Reply #35 Top
OK if they don't get in touch with the people they represent then how do they know what the people want?


And you this how exactly? You are asking a Gov't to stop thousands of years of fighting over night and when things don't go as planned your choice is to leave and tough luck for them? Sad to think anyone would not finish what they started. Thank God you're not a Doctor, chances are most of you patients would die cause you would give up if you see no instant results.

These people can not agree on the day of the week much less get in touch with the people. NOTHING is moving on solving the political issues and that is why we MUST GET OUT!


Again, how can you expect over night solutions to a lifetime problem? You can not say nothing when you are not there with them to know what is being done. The military and police and being trained, I would call that doing something for starters. A new Gov't with intentions of uniting the factions was established, I would call that something being done. What you want is a miracle.

Hell in America our leader does not care what the people want. He ignores anything but what HE WANTS- The DECIDER.


Are you talking about Bush or Bush, Congress and The Senate. Cause they are not innocent when it comes to ignoring what the people want either. You really need to stop pointing at a single man as if he's the only one that runs the country. That just proves how ignorant you really are.
Reply #36 Top

“And you this how exactly? You are asking a Gov't to stop thousands of years of fighting over night and when things don't go as planned your choice is to leave and tough luck for them?”

What I am saying is we have no business getting involved in this fight. If you believe another 30,000 U.S. troops will end the reasons for 1,300 years of fighting between the factions in Iraq you are truly “out to lunch”. We need to concentrate on the elements that could attack the U.S. That is not the Sunni or Shea elements in Iraq. It is al-Qaeda and now Hezbollah who are also now operating in Iraq.
Reply #37 Top

What I am saying is we have no business getting involved in this fight. If you believe another 30,000 U.S. troops will end the reasons for 1,300 years of fighting between the factions in Iraq you are truly “out to lunch”. We need to concentrate on the elements that could attack the U.S. That is not the Sunni or Shea elements in Iraq. It is al-Qaeda and now Hezbollah who are also now operating in Iraq.


Out of touch? I'm sorry, I wasn't the one who stated that a draft may be necessary to deal with this terrorist threat. And you say I'm out of touch? The only one out of touch here is you. You want to look at things based on how you think it should be done but ignore the realities of life in the process. We don't need to keep adding more soldiers, what we need is more time and help from the rest of the world. OK, so many countries don't like what happened in Iraq, fine, but whats done is done. Hows about lending a hand and helping stabilize this country and allow it to stand on its own 2 feet rather than site on the side lines and cry every time something goes wrong. It seems to me that the rest of the world hasn't a care for the Iraqi people or a stable Iraq. And it's Shiite not Shea. For a guy who considers himself well educated and capable of writing books you sure lack spelling skills.
Reply #38 Top
“I wasn't the one who stated that a draft may be necessary to deal with this terrorist threat. And you say I'm out of touch?”

The Army has been unable to recruit enough troops for the past two months and if we are to increase the size of the Army to deal with a growing danger from al-Qaeda et al. how do you propose we get the added troops! Cutting standards and increasing inducements is not the answer! You are the one out of touch!
Reply #39 Top
This is the same nonsense you have been saying for years.  There will not be a draft and you know it.
Reply #40 Top

The Army has been unable to recruit enough troops for the past two months and if we are to increase the size of the Army to deal with a growing danger from al-Qaeda et al. how do you propose we get the added troops! Cutting standards and increasing inducements is not the answer! You are the one out of touch!


Listen to yourself for once Col. You are crying that we can't win even if we add 30,000 more troops, why would be do a draft if we can't win with more soldiers according to you? God make some sense for once in your life.
Reply #41 Top

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007
This is the same nonsense you have been saying for years. There will not be a draft and you know it.

If another trouble spot developes you will have a draft!
Reply #42 Top
Listen to yourself for once Col. You are crying that we can't win even if we add 30,000 more troops, why would be do a draft if we can't win with more soldiers according to you? God make some sense for once in your life.

The Army and Marines were too small BEFORE the Serge. Proof of that was the extensive use of the Guard and Reserves and the reduced time between combat tours. The serge has just made the problem worse and without calling up more Guard and reserves, we will not be able to maintain the 30,000 troop serge. The Army CoS has told Congress this! The Commandant of the Marine Corps said the very same thing about the Marines. We needed another 100,000 ground forces BEFORE the serge!
Reply #43 Top
The Army and Marines were too small BEFORE the Serge. Proof of that was the extensive use of the Guard and Reserves and the reduced time between combat tours. The serge has just made the problem worse and without calling up more Guard and reserves, we will not be able to maintain the 30,000 troop serge. The Army CoS has told Congress this! The Commandant of the Marine Corps said the very same thing about the Marines. We needed another 100,000 ground forces BEFORE the serge!


BTW, it's surge, not serge. But ignoring the horrible spelling by a person with 2 published books, you are asking to have more soldiers in a war you think we should have never been in and that you want out of. Make up your mind, you want more soldiers or do you want the ones there to go home?
Reply #44 Top
“BTW, it's surge, not serge. (Thanks for the correction) But ignoring the horrible spelling by a person with 2 published books, (that is why we proof read) you are asking to have more soldiers in a war you think we should have never been in and that you want out of.”

Not for the Iraq war. For the fight against the REAL enemy-- the radical foreign terrorists. Most of the military action in Iraq is with the Sunni and Shea not al-Qaeda. That is what you and Bush will not acknowledge. EVERY senior General has said 85-90% of the fighting is with the factions within Iraq. They have also acknowledged that fight can not be won with military power only with political change which is NOT TAKING PLACE IN IRAQ! Al-Qaeda and alike in Iraq is not the real problem!!!!!
Reply #45 Top
Not for the Iraq war. For the fight against the REAL enemy-- the radical foreign terrorists. Most of the military action in Iraq is with the Sunni and Shea not al-Qaeda. That is what you and Bush will not acknowledge. EVERY senior General has said 85-90% of the fighting is with the factions within Iraq. They have also acknowledged that fight can not be won with military power only with political change which is NOT TAKING PLACE IN IRAQ! Al-Qaeda and alike in Iraq is not the real problem!!!!!


No one ever said we were only fighting Al-qaeda. Only you think that's what we think. We all know what we are doing there. But since Al-qaeda is there now, you can't say we are not dealing with them. You may also be forgetting that we have armed forces in Afghanistan fighting. True, there may not be as many soldiers there but we are there. So you need to stop saying nothing is being done.
Reply #46 Top
“No one ever said we were only fighting Al-Qaeda. Only you think that's what we think.”

That is the reason Bush tell us we can not leave Iraq. OK let’s stop fighting in the streets of Baghdad and in areas where the fighting is between the internal factions in Iraq. Our forces should concentrate ONLY on foreign terrorists like al-Qaeda and Hezbollah. That will enable us to withdraw the majority of our forces. We can then get back to al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Reply #47 Top
That is the reason Bush tell us we can not leave Iraq. OK let’s stop fighting in the streets of Baghdad and in areas where the fighting is between the internal factions in Iraq. Our forces should concentrate ONLY on foreign terrorists like al-Qaeda and Hezbollah. That will enable us to withdraw the majority of our forces. We can then get back to al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.


lets fight the real enemies of the united states.

the democrats and gene lol
Reply #48 Top
That is the reason Bush tell us we can not leave Iraq. OK let’s stop fighting in the streets of Baghdad and in areas where the fighting is between the internal factions in Iraq. Our forces should concentrate ONLY on foreign terrorists like al-Qaeda and Hezbollah. That will enable us to withdraw the majority of our forces. We can then get back to al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.


How's about we wait till the military and police is ready as was the plan? And I don't mean what the PM said. He may have said they are ready but I don't see them taking over. Why the rush? Things are getting done according to you in a place where supposedly nothing is getting done, according to you. Take a chill pill and let our military trainers do their job.