COL Gene

Iraq Government is a Total Failure

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Iraq Government is a Total Failure

No need to wait for September.

from JoeUser Forums
The Iraq Government has not met a single benchmark to resolve the many issues essential to ending the violence in Iraq. It is now time to bring our troops home and allow the Iraqi people to deal with the future of Iraq. We can not continue to sacrifice our military for a country that refuses to do its part. This together with an increase in the violence can not be ignored. The time is up and Congress MUST force an end to our involvement in this misguided war!

Official: Iraq Gov't Missed All Targets
By ANNE FLAHERTY and ANNE GEARAN (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
July 09, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - A progress report on Iraq will conclude that the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad has not met any of its targets for political, economic and other reform, speeding up the Bush administration's reckoning on what to do next, a U.S. official said Monday.

One likely result of the report will be a vastly accelerated debate among President Bush's top aides on withdrawing troops and scaling back the U.S. presence in Iraq.

The "pivot point" for addressing the matter will no longer be Sept. 15, as initially envisioned, when a full report on Bush's so-called "surge" plan is due, but instead will come this week when the interim mid-July assessment is released, the official said.

"The facts are not in question," the official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft is still under discussion. "The real question is how the White House proceeds with a post-surge strategy in light of the report."

So no one forgets here is what I posted May 3, 2007. I was one month off in my prediction:
August 2007 Will Show Bush was WRONG!<BR>
By COL Gene Posted Thursday, May 03, 2007 on Bush Truth Discussion: Politics

Bush again got his way and I think it is clear Congress will again give Bush his way in Iraq. The next funding bill may contain some non binding language about what the Iraqi Government should do but will have no impact on the outcome of the Iraq war. In August we will have the final input as to the impact of the Surge. I believe that evaluation will show that the Civil War and the operations of al Qaeda will be at a level that will clearly show the added U.S. Troops has not brought an acceptable level of stability to Iraq. We will see a political atmosphere in Iraq similar to today with no resolve to end the Civil war that has taken hold in Iraq. All the speculation will be behind us and it will be time to remove our forces from Iraq. If I am correct, Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the failure of the Bush Policy in Iraq will be in real trouble. I believe the funding for FY 2008 will be the time that Congress including enough GOP members will be in place to provide a veto proof bill. If the GOP continues to support Bush even with the clear failure of his policy, the day of change will be November 2008. I pray it will not take until January 2009 when the next President takes office to remove our brave military from a mission they should NEVER have been sent to by their Commander-in-Chief!
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Patten said when you fight the war. fight it to get over with. when it was over then you apologize


this is what i was saying. i really loathe the thought of killing so many people too. i am not a war-monger, and i don't think any of us are. some of us just see the reality. there is no good answer. there is no hope of negotiation, and there never was. why should we share the casualties around? we don't have to.

sean, its not bravado, or anything like that. we can win anywhere we go, because our guys are that good. they should be for all the money and training we put into our military. it doesn't matter if its their turf or not. if we didn't have to worry about all the things we have to worry about, if we could just get it done, it would be over. like it or not, its a war.

and to the col. because of the same things some of us where saying about our hands being tied, the iraq war and all of its failings cannot be laid on bush's head. it those failings can also be put on the heads of the people who are scared to hurt other peoples feelings.

i know that even if this war had gone differently, you would still have opposed it. i get it. what would you do to fix it now? how would you make it better? sean laid down some ideas. i don't think they would work, but who am i? he at least thinks productively, all you seem to do it yell about whats wrong.

also, just telling someone to shup up is silly. and its the most frustrating thing to hear from someone you are trying to converse with. the col. makes some good points, so lets try and be resonable.

listen to me, i'm so calm and collected.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
and to the col. because of the same things some of us where saying about our hands being tied, the Iraq war and all of its failings cannot be laid on bush's head. it those failings can also be put on the heads of the people who are scared to hurt other peoples feelings.

Everything about the Iraq War is Bush. From the lies that got us into the war to the way we failed to follow the military planning as to troop levels that would be required. The failure in Iraq is 100% Bush!!!!!
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
i say the failure in iraq is 100% dictater genes fault
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
also, just telling someone to shup up is silly. and its the most frustrating thing to hear from someone you are trying to converse with. the col. makes some good points, so lets try and be resonable.


i have been on here for about two months and he does make some good points.

but it has been the same point for two months. he has nothing new
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
“I have been on here for about two months and he does make some good points.

But it has been the same point for two months. He has nothing new”

Given the fact that the report that is the basis for this Blog was just released, I fail to understand how what I said is not NEW!

If your point is that it is another thing that shows the weakness of Bush and his policies, that is because there are so many of them. My Blog Site is “ Bush Truth”.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
If your point is that it is another thing that shows the weakness of Bush and his policies, that is because there are so many of them. My Blog Site is “ Bush Truth”.


no your point is bash bush no matter what you called him a traitor if he vetos a bill becouse it might contain something in it, outside of the bill, that he doesn't want to sign into law
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Everything about the Iraq War is Bush. From the lies that got us into the war to the way we failed to follow the military planning as to troop levels that would be required. The failure in Iraq is 100% Bush!!!!!


you are giving one man to much credit. there is no way bush could do all of that by himself. i think that the bush hate you have is clouding your mind. i really know how it feels to let that sort of thing get to you. but really, you can't believe that any one person can be responsible for something so big.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
no your point is bash bush no matter what you called him a traitor if he vetoes a bill because it might contain something in it, outside of the bill, that he doesn't want to sign into law.

I said if the reason you gave is the one Bush used to veto a bill to protect our border then Bush was a traitor.

I document what has taken place. You are the one that says it is Bush Bashing. What I post is a reflection of the consequences of the policies we are following. I would agree most rational people would look at the Bush policies and conclude they are negative. That is not Bush Bashing it is documenting the results of the President's actions which happen to be negative! That does not alter the results I document. Again my Blog is "Bush Truth". If the TRUTH is negative that is not my doing!
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
you look at everything that has to do with bush.

and say how can i turn this truth into an attack on bush.

meanwhile your party is doing the same thing and you say nothing about them.


i don't really care if you bash bush until the end of time. but apply your standards to everybody not to JUST ONE PERSON.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
“meanwhile your party is doing the same thing and you say nothing about them.”

I have been a Republican (Moderate) since 1962. At the current time I do agree with the Democrats on Iraq and on increasing taxes on the wealthy. I agree we need to require higher mileage from our cars. I do not support the Democrats on new spending or the Immigration policy.
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do not bash Bush I tell it like it is!
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
everything you say is word for word what the democrats say
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007
everything you say is word for word what the democrats say


It is what the vast majority of Americans say and that is far more then just the Democrats
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
you have no idea what the vast majority of america says


becouse the vast majority of america hasn't/doesn't/won't say anything


Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top



Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007
"you have no idea what the vast majority of America says "

POLL after POLL as well as the November 2006 Election say the majority of Americans DO NOT want what Bush and the GOP is selling! The GOP is in for another SHOCK in November 2008 because they refuse to accept reality and insist on living in DREAMLAND!


Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
they ask 1000 people and that is supposed to be what 300,000,000 people think.

please shut up before you make yourself look even more stupid.

all that poll shows is what that group of 1000 people think and they usually load those polls either with registered democrats or republicans depending on what results they want
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2007
they ask 1000 people and that is supposed to be what 300,000,000 people think.

please shut up before you make yourself look even more stupid.


YOU DO NOT TELL ME TO DO ANYTHING- The 2006 Election was the opinion of 1000 people I suppose. You are too DUMB to breath!
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
no that was the opinion of 34%? of the people maybe.

Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
the silent majority and called silent becouse they don't vote and they don't answer polls
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2007
no that was the opinion of 34%? of the people maybe.

That is a bit more then a 1000!
Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
the silent majority and called silent becouse they don't vote and they don't answer polls


actually dan, in 2004, 72% of all people eligible, were registered to vote. so, the "silent majority" you cling to does not exist.

and furthermore, 89% of those people actually did vote. and the total number of people that did vote vs. those eligible is well over 50%. so again, any way you slice it, this "silent majority" is a figment of your imagination.

and let's even say, for the sake of argument, that only 49% of eligible voters voted in 2004. for your group to actually exist, even then, it would have to be every single person who didn't vote. and you mean to tell me that every single person who chooses not to do their duty as citizens and vote avoid it for exactly the same reason?

Nonsense!

and dan, polls are a sampling of a given population. they are not a census. there are formulas that determine how many people represent a fair and scientific sample. even then, any given poll has what is called a margin of error. usually about 3 or 4 points.

that's why when say one candidate has 45% of a vote in a poll and his opponent has 41% in the poll, and the margin of error is 4 points, it is called a statistical "dead heat." meaning it is within that margin of error and the poll "admits" being wrong up to that margin.

but you seem to suggest that polls are wildly off. and some polls can be. such as exit polling. like in ohio in 2004. but ohio's exit polling and the methods used there and the misuse of the info by pundits is hardly a measure on how other, more scientific polling is done.

polls are not 100% accurate for sure. but they are hardly what you make them out to be either. polls are useful as a "snapshot" of the general mood or to track trends in the right contexts.

Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
and furthermore, 89% of those people actually did vote. and the total number of people that did vote vs. those eligible is well over 50%. so again, any way you slice it, this "silent majority" is a figment of your imagination.


during a presidential election maybe but not during a senate/house election

it is usually around 30%

gene said a vast majority of Americans 72% of the people may be registered to vote

that would be lets round it 75,000,000 are registered.

of that i will use half that is 32,500,000 that voted.

of that i will give 75% voted democrat. that is 24,450,000 who voted democrat.

out of the 300,000,000 nope not a vast majority of people there

that isn't even 10% of the people

by the way my numbers may be off i did it in my head.

so again the silent majority is called the silent majority because they don't vote and they don't answer polls. of course this isn't 100% true. but unlike gene i don't go around yelling the vast majority of Americans back up everything i say

Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
but you seem to suggest that polls are wildly off. and some polls can be. such as exit polling. like in ohio in 2004. but ohio's exit polling and the methods used there and the misuse of the info by pundits is hardly a measure on how other, more scientific polling is done.


you can have a scientific polling and still only call democrats or republicans.
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just because not everyone votes that does not mean they do not disagree with Bush-- The VAST majority do not support him!