COL Gene

Join Date 09/2004

Iraq Government is a Total Failure

No need to wait for September.

The Iraq Government has not met a single benchmark to resolve the many issues essential to ending the violence in Iraq. It is now time to bring our troops home and allow the Iraqi people to deal with the future of Iraq. We can not continue to sacrifice our military for a country that refuses to do its part. This together with an increase in the violence can not be ignored. The time is up and Congress MUST force an end to our involvement in this misguided war!

Official: Iraq Gov't Missed All Targets
By ANNE FLAHERTY and ANNE GEARAN (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
July 09, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - A progress report on Iraq will conclude that the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad has not met any of its targets for political, economic and other reform, speeding up the Bush administration's reckoning on what to do next, a U.S. official said Monday.

One likely result of the report will be a vastly accelerated debate among President Bush's top aides on withdrawing troops and scaling back the U.S. presence in Iraq.

The "pivot point" for addressing the matter will no longer be Sept. 15, as initially envisioned, when a full report on Bush's so-called "surge" plan is due, but instead will come this week when the interim mid-July assessment is released, the official said.

"The facts are not in question," the official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft is still under discussion. "The real question is how the White House proceeds with a post-surge strategy in light of the report."

So no one forgets here is what I posted May 3, 2007. I was one month off in my prediction:
August 2007 Will Show Bush was WRONG!<BR>
By COL Gene Posted Thursday, May 03, 2007 on Bush Truth Discussion: Politics

Bush again got his way and I think it is clear Congress will again give Bush his way in Iraq. The next funding bill may contain some non binding language about what the Iraqi Government should do but will have no impact on the outcome of the Iraq war. In August we will have the final input as to the impact of the Surge. I believe that evaluation will show that the Civil War and the operations of al Qaeda will be at a level that will clearly show the added U.S. Troops has not brought an acceptable level of stability to Iraq. We will see a political atmosphere in Iraq similar to today with no resolve to end the Civil war that has taken hold in Iraq. All the speculation will be behind us and it will be time to remove our forces from Iraq. If I am correct, Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the failure of the Bush Policy in Iraq will be in real trouble. I believe the funding for FY 2008 will be the time that Congress including enough GOP members will be in place to provide a veto proof bill. If the GOP continues to support Bush even with the clear failure of his policy, the day of change will be November 2008. I pray it will not take until January 2009 when the next President takes office to remove our brave military from a mission they should NEVER have been sent to by their Commander-in-Chief!

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I see no one can refute this Blog or the fact that I predicted this is just what would happen. It feels GOOD to be proven Correct!

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I see no one can refute this Blog or the fact that I predicted this is just what would happen. It feels GOOD to be proven Correct!

LOL. I guess all those posts about the economy being in great shape, and good news from Iraq must be true since you never posted there either. It's pretty pathetic that you make posts like this cheering failure. That is why people don't post to your blogs anymore, not because you are correct, but because you are obsessive with Bush.

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“That is why people don't post to your Blogs anymore, not because you are correct, but because you are obsessive with Bush.”

You can make excuses all you want. What I said in May about Iraq have come true and Bush is the reason we are in this devastating war in Iraq. Anyone that makes excuses for Bush is JUST as bad as he is and as responsible for the failure of just about everything he has none over the past 6 1/2 years!

There have been a lot of articles about the economy and how it has done nothing for the low and most of the middle income working families. The only group that has done well under the Bush policies are the wealthy and a few at the top of the middle income group.

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"There have been a lot of articles about the economy and how it has done nothing for the low and most of the middle income working families. The only group that has done well under the Bush policies are the wealthy and a few at the top of the middle income group."

People who do well historically will continue to do well in the future regardless of who is President. Also, maybe they are doing well because they have more money. I'm guessing your definition of 'done well' is 'has money'. By DEFINITION, the people who have money have money.

But, you did say that in May. But you were a month off. And how many times have you predicted this before only to have it not happen? Bush has gone far. Bush has gone too far. This time, Bush has gone too far. Bush has gone too TOO far. Etc. Tell you what. Post an article citing one good thing Bush has done. Then, perhaps people will take your side more seriously.

When I'm investigating a $50 million claim, I want to be able to document $1 million of it. Because, then they at least know we worked on it, thought it through, and documented what we could. There's still $49 million they're not getting. But at least they can't say we didn't take them seriously. If we can't verify a dollar of it, they're going to claim bad faith. Which is what you, Gene, seem to have for Bush. So show some good faith, that you at least tried to find something good about Bush.

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its terribly annoying to hear stuff like "anyone who makes excuses for him is just as bad."
how could anyone come to a different conclusion than i have? we all think we are right, but some of us really listen and have respect for the other side.

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“So show some good faith, that you at least tried to find something good about Bush."

I believe the new Ambassador to Iraq and the new Sec Def are people that are well qualified for their positions.

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“We all think we are right, but some of us really listen and have respect for the other side. Respect should be predicated on some basis.”

Looking at the situation in Iraq, there is so little of worth that for someone to respect what we have done is hard to understand. The ONLY thing we accomplished is remove Saddam. EVERYTHING else has gotten worse. The lives of people are intolerable. We have not restored the most basic services. We have foreign elements helping tear the country apart. We enabled an ineffective government to come into power and over 2 million people have fled Iraq including many of the professional so badly needed to help rebuild Iraq. This after 5 years! How can anyone respect a policy that has produced such a dismal set of outcomes?

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its too hard we cannt do anything so lets all run home and hide under the bed maybe the billy won't find us

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not only that, but its crap. lots of things are going well over there. they have also found wmd.

no-one wants to listen to anything positive.
i was talking to a soldier just a couple of months ago who was home on his two weeks, and while i was talking to him, he got a call from one of his friends who was in iraq. his friend told him that they had found more chemical weapons stashed that day. you know, no big deal.

i asked him what that was all about, and he told me that they really do find stuff all the time. and that nobody cares.

when it comes to war and setting up governments, who's to say that 5 or 6 years is any time at all? just because you have the attention span of a two year old, doesn't mean that i can't wait. rome, its been rumored, wasn't built in a day. neither will iraq be. the statement about rome is actually pretty deep. rome wasn't built in a day. it means that sometimes you have to be patient. i know its hard, but the outcome will be worth it.

nothing will ever go good enough for people who think like you. this is the most succsessful war in history if you look at it honestly. nothing happens overnight. everybody knows that war sucks. i truly believe that its because of people like you that this war is so hard. instead of trying to explain everything to us and make us all happy, those guys should just be able to kick that ass and get home. but you wanna cry about every little thing that you don't like. and only focus on the bad.

america is not evil. neither is bush. we really were attacked. here. at home. i didn't like it. that is the bad that i focus on. a lot of people said that it was no reason to go into iraq. it was the obvious thing to do.

when you get bit in the ass, you turn around and see all the things breathing down your neck that you were trying to ignore. it was (or should have been) a wake up call. if you believe that we should just nice these terrorists until they see our way, then i really believe you are slow. we have to fight. we have to win.

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If you read his last post all he does is bash america. Not the corrupt iraqi government. not al quida. not iran. not syria.

yes dictator gene i know if we hadn't have invaded iraq non of this would have happened.

would a, could a, should a,

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it's real telling to see the apologists come out with the usual bs...the insistance that they and the horses they backed were wrong and continue to be wrong, but anyone who questions that is out of line. keep givin em hell col!

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the insistance that they and the horses they backed were wrong and continue to be wrong,

nope as i said on another thread. if it was only the Iraqi government. it is time to come home. but the Iraqi people are starting to stand up to al quida. we cannot abandon the people.

but dictator gene only says one thing

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Reply By: danielost Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
It’s too hard we can’t do anything so let’s all run home and hide under the bed maybe the bully won't find us

That is ridiculous. What Bush wants is to continue to have our troops killed and injured in a Civil war we are not able to win. THE GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ CAN NOT OR WILL NOT MAKE THE CHANGES TO END THE FIGHTING!

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It’s too hard we can’t do anything so let’s all run home and hide under the bed maybe the bully won't find us

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Reply By: toothache's revenge Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
not only that, but its crap. lots of things are going well over there. they have also found wmd.

That is BS. The MOST basis issue SECURITY is preventing reconstruction as well as any normal like in Iraq. Large numbers of the Doctors have fled Iraq. Over 2 Million others have left. Schools are not operating. You can not go out in many locations for fear of your life. There is not enough water, electric, gasoline. The oil revenue is not even close to what is should be. Yesterday 23 were killed in the Green Zone the most secure area in Iraq. Over the weekend 240 were killed. The situation in the north is very dangerous with Turkey moving 140,000 of its troops to the Iraq Border. Hezbollah is now operating in Iraq along with al Qaeda. The civilian government we helped establish is useless. Yes things are GREAT in Iraq!

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You see, this is the kind of bull I can't stand from people like you Sean. Did you notice that the story is about how Iraq is not doing it's part to make things better? How come is it that no one is screaming at the Iraqi Gov't? How come is it that no one is saying "the US is trying but the Iraqi Gov't is failing"? How come the Iraqi Gov't is getting "get out of jail free" card when they are the ones failing to control their own country? This is the same crap as the "al-qaeda was never in Iraq" bull. So what? Does it matter if they were in Iraq before or not? Al-qaeda existed before the Iraq war and they will continue to exist after we go home. Why? Because some people will just never be satisfied with anything. No one cares that al-qaeda is in Iraq now, what they care is that we do not let them hurt us. This whole argument is stupid, we are ignoring the true problem (the terrorist, the insurgent, all those who want us dead) because some people here want to make everything political. Had this been a Democratic president I bet you (Sean) would be defending everything he does in Iraq. Nothing but a bunch of political bull-shitters if you ask me.

Keep ignoring al-qaeda, keep doing exactly what they want you to do. I hope we leave Iraq tomorrow, that way they can make fun of us, how cowardly we are for not seeing things thru and then start killing us here. Maybe then we will wake up and realize that this is not about Democrats and Republicans but about our survival as Americans.

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We do have a REAL problem defending our country against the radical Islamic faction. The problem is that the Iraq War has not been effective if accomplishing that mission. In fact we have tied a large portion of our military and financial resources up in a Civil War that we can not win and that will not provide a defense against the radical elements in the Moslem world. Look at Afghanistan. We NEVER finished the job and now the situation gets worse every day. The activity in Iraq of both al Qaeda and Hezbollah was not a threat under Saddam. It is today and even if we could eliminate those two foreign terrorist groups in Iraq, they have so many other locations the danger would be just as great. That is why when Bush says if we do not WIN in Iraq al Qaeda will continue to plan attacks and bring the fight to America he is full of BS. I got news for Bush. We are in Iraq with 160,000 troops and both al Qaeda and Hezbollah are operating in Iraq TODAY and they continue to plan attacks against the U.S. and other western countries like England. Bush said our continued presence in Iraq is giving the Iraqi Government the time they need to take over their own defense. The truth is that is NOT happening. We have trained 350,000 Iraqi Military and Police and the government in Iraq has not accomplished the needed political changes to even begin to settle the issues causing the secretion violence. Then just what is our continued fighting in Iraq doing? Getting more of our troops killed, injured and spending 12 Billion per month.

Bush has the BALLS to threaten to VETO the defense appropriations bill if it contains an added 1/2 % pay increase to our military. That is just about the most outrageous thing I have scene. Congress needs to pass the defense appropriation with the cut off of funds in spring for Iraq and the added pay increase for our military. If Bush veto's the bill and the GOP members continue to refuse to override the Veto, Congress needs to send the SAME appropriation back to Bush with the message-- It is the responsibility of Congress to approve spending and if you continue to veto that spending bill you will be forced to END all operations in Iraq when you have no spending authority. NO more BS with Bush. He needs to be made to understand this is not a Dictatorship and that it is Congress not the President that sets the terms of how and how much our government can spend!

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To underscore the fact the danger is greater from terrorist attack Sec. of Homeland Security Chertnoff just said he believes the danger from a terrorist attack in the U.S. is GREATER now. How can that be since we are fighting them in Iraq so they do not follow us home? That is what Bush and Cheney have told us!

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you see the problem here

our troops are losing a war and the democrat liberals want to wait until spring to pull them out.

or they want to wait until next october to pull them out to get votes.

i have said this before if the war is as bad as they claim then why are they waiting 9 to 18 months before they want to pull the troops out

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Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007
You see the problem here

Our troops are losing a war and the democrat liberals want to wait until spring to pull them out.

Or they want to wait until next October to pull them out to get votes.

I have said this before if the war is as bad as they claim then why are they waiting 9 to 18 months before they want to pull the troops out “

Because the GOP has enough VOTES to prevent Democrats from ending this war. Bush has again said he will VETO any Congressional action to remove our troops. This is NOT a problem for the democrats but Bush and the GOP. The GOP will pay in November 2008 if the continue to defy the will of the American People. 71% want us OUT of Iraq!

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You see, this is the kind of bull I can't stand from people like you Sean.

yeah, the truth hurts, i'm sure charles. people that you can't stand, like me,
were pointing out that this was a bad idea BEFORE we invaded. and what was foreseen was exactly what has happened.

It’s too hard we can’t do anything so let’s all run home and hide under the bed maybe the bully won't find us

nonsense. and juvenile nonsense at that. it's unfortunate that our country has so much vein pride and ego that they continue to want to lead with their face. you don't get it dan...this isn't some contest or game in macho...the terror war is an ideological struggle that has no military answer, period. the iraq war was just an ill conceived idea that a bunch of knee jerk politicians allowed to happen. we brought the terrorists to iraq, not the other way around.

the bullies have been us, trying to impose our will on them historically. and this administration did it once again in Iraq, despite the warnings.

no one has talked about "hiding" or anything of the sort. and you show yourself to be the real coward by refusing to actually frame the debate in any realistic terms and just continue to throw what you think is "tough talk." it's not dan, it's the crippled, bankrupt spewings of a moron.

Keep ignoring al-qaeda, keep doing exactly what they want you to do.

more nonsense. who's ignoring al-quaeda? stop being a liar.

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“It’s too hard we can’t do anything so let’s all run home and hide under the bed maybe the bully won't find us”

We can NOT stop a Civil War in a country of 26 Million People with 160,000 troops. Bush was told to prevent this civil war he should send 500,000 troops when Saddam was removed. He failed to listen and we now have an out of control Civil War as well as at least two foreign Terrorist groups operating in Iraq. It is not run and hide. It is the realization that we have put our military into a situation without the resources to do the job. We have also helped establish a civilian government that can not make the political choices to enable the sectarian violence to come to an end. Nothing General Petraeus can say in September will change the fact that the Iraqi Government has NOT done its part to end the fighting! That together with less then 1/3 the needed troops insure FAILURE in Iraq.

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yeah, the truth hurts, i'm sure charles. people that you can't stand, like me,
were pointing out that this was a bad idea BEFORE we invaded. and what was foreseen was exactly what has happened.

LOL, you really are funny at times Sean. You thought it was a bad idea because people like you don't want Republicans to be right. You guys never gave Iraq and the Iraqi people a chance, probably the reason they don't care. You condemned them to stupidity from day 1. Never did you believe that they could become better people, never did you believe they could stand up for themselves, never did you believe they deserved better. What do you care, right? It wasn't the Democrats who would have gotten all the glory if this would have turned out better. It was obvious terrorist would follow us to Iraq, but it was expected that the Iraqi people would not want to have themselves blown up just to get to us, it was expected that they would resist, that they would want to live with a bit more freedom and a bit less tyranny. But how could they think of themselves as better people when we see them as cavemen, as people who if blown up by a nuke they couldn't be sent any further back to the stone age than they already are. I find it ironic though, to think that Democrats pray on the poor and useless to gain votes, you would think a country like Iraq would be a blessing for them. Instead you turned your backs on them from day 1.

more nonsense. who's ignoring al-quaeda? stop being a liar.

Liar? Funny, ever tried for "America's got talent"? I need not to prove my point, you do a great job all by yourself every time you reply.

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LOL, you really are funny at times Sean.

no charles, you are the joke here.

democrats? 6 republicans voted against the iraq war. i'm not a democrat. colin powell wasn't a democrat when he reported that iraq was effectively boxed in and no threat to anyone before 9/11. non interventionists like me were warning what would happen and non intervention happens to be a conservative philosophy. my reasonings and theirs have nothing to do with what the democrats wanted and their reasoning. but you don't know anything beyond the partisan rhetoric you parrot.

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