here is what a palestinian is

the british called the jews living there before ww2 palestinians



same link as above


Who Is A Palestinian?

During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.


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Jews who might have developed the empty lands of 'Palestine' ... instead died in the gas chambers of Europe

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British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed — after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

this one is dictator gene


By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

some more for the dictator


Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.



as i have said you cannot give the bully your lunch money becouse tomorrow he will want your car keys

Wikipedia would suggest Golda was wrong -



In any case it doesn't matter. There was no such thing as an American until the 13 states united. There were no such thing as Australians until the 7 colonies united. There was no such thing as Britain until England was joined by Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

All nationalities have to start somewhere. Palestine started in the 20th century and, in true nationalist fashion, followed the great tradition of using an imagined past to shape it around.

I guess my real comment is, why are you even bothering to bring this up? There is nothing either unusual or even interesting about the roots of Palestinian nationalism.

read the third post

before there were any settlements in Gaza or the west bank

before the Palestinians were called Palestinians. Israel offered them those two pieces of land.

And the surrounding Arab states decided they wanted it all for themselves. We all know that. Why is that relevant to Palestinian nationality?

becouse that is still what they want.

as i have said on other posts isreal is defending itself


and seeing as we(the usa) is part of the tribes of isreal. I guess we need to defend our brothern in the so called holy land.

The other Arab states? So? What does that have to do with the Palestinians? You're really not making yourself clear here. Why should the independence of Palestine necessarily involve Egypt, Syria Lebanon et al?



Sure, but I don't think the Arab states have become any stronger recently. Israel is still the only significant regional military power. They don't need to face constant internal attack from disaffected Palestinian youths just to maintain what most call Palestine as a buffer against the Arab states (if you look at the map it's not a particularly well-placed buffer anyway).



Huh?!?!? Most US citizens, if we take it back to biblical times, are of Germanic, Celtic or Caucasian descent. The Israelites were Semites. Completely different social, cultural and linguistic groups with practically nothing in common, least of all religion.

the Israelites disappeared in the caucus mountains at the same time that the German tribes came out of the caucus mountains.

i am not saying that the Germanic tribes are the lost ten tribes. I am suggesting tho that the Germanic tribes are a fragment of the lost ten tribes. IE the ones who couldn't/wouldn't make the trip with the rest of the Israelites.



i posted this mostly because the dictator gene has been saying that Israel needs to stop defending itself from attack, and just give in to the demands of the Palestinians and the rest of the Arabs.

What he doesn't understand is that the demands of the Arabs is the death of the Jews period.

I'm glad cacto took the time to try to reason with you becuase I wouldn't have the patience.

Clearly you've never been to Palestine if you think there is no Palestinian culture.

The ten lost tribes of Israel are a myth, danielost. A VERY widespread one, but a myth nonetheless. I would try to explain it here, but someone who doesn't even believe in the veracity of the text of the second amendment isn't one to be reasoned with.

But I DID want my objection stated on the record!

if the lost ten tribes is a myth then where do you suppose those three people who are still alive from Christs time is living

so when you can't make a point against me this is going to be a fall back point.



my point is the Palestinians are the bullies. they are the only ones in this conflict to purposely target an elementary school.

they are the ones hiding behind non combatants so that idiots like you and gene will be mad at the Jews for killing women and children. where is your anger about them attacking schools. for sending bombs on sticks not caring where they land. for targeting Americans.

where is your anger that they have used every dollar we sent them to buy weapons to attack someone else with. Israel spends a lot of the money we send for defense.

I'm done dealing with you, danielost. You can't be reasoned with, and you make idiotic comments like that last post. You don't KNOW what angers me, danielost...there are some issues where I don't wear my emotions on my sleeve.

poor baby

part of this did take place. Why do you think there is a state of Utah.

that group was run out of the country because of their beliefs. the area that is now Utah was under Mexican rule when they started for it.

and while they were traveling toward that new land far from anyone. The government that wouldn't protect their rights, asked them to provide men to fight a war against Mexico.

and they land that they were travailing to ended up coming under the control of the government that wouldn't protect their rights.




first of all if you read my first post you find that no one was living there except some jujubes. The land was a waste land.

second of all the Jujubes offered to give some land that they had captured from the other milkduds to the new whoppers.

third of all the new whoppers, and the milkduds want to kill all of the Jujubes, that I believe is genocide.

and in 1929 when the first jujubes went to that land the sheik who governed that land welcomed them home. then one year later the milkduds started to kill the jujubes who up to that point had been law abiding citizens of that sheik.

so in this war it was the milkduds not the jujubes that drew first blood.

For some time, the 800 Jews in Hebron lived in peace with their tens of thousands of Arab neighbors. But on the night of August 23, 1929, the tension simmering within this cauldron of nationalities bubbled over, and for 3 days, Hebron turned into a city of terror and murder. By the time the massacres ended, 67 Jews lay dead and the survivors were relocated to Jerusalem, leaving Hebron barren of Jews for the first time in hundreds of years.

The summer of 1929 was one of unrest in Palestine. Jewish-Arab tensions were spurred on by the agitation of the mufti in Jerusalem. Just one day prior to the start of the Hebron massacre, three Jews and three Arabs were killed in Jerusalem when fighting broke out after a Muslim prayer service on the Temple Mount. Arabs spread false rumors throughout their communities, saying that Jews were carrying out "wholesale killings of Arabs." Meanwhile, Jewish immigrants were arriving in Palestine in increasing numbers, further exacerbating the Jewish-Arab conflict.

i couldn't find that reference but here is a link to the above story

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and those people had been living there for hundreds of years.