Would I be correct in thinking....

 

Police should look for white suspects, preferably Christians. After all, Christians ARE responsible for the majority of the world's terror!

(if you didn't see the sarcasm in that, I give up!)

where the hell did you come up with that bs terp? i have seen nothing, except for your claim and attempt to foster propoganda against those you hate.

what's sadder than this slander is the blanket coverage these wanabees are getting. now incompetent and failed terrorists are being hyped up even harder . what a shame.

Have you not heard the claims that the US orchestrated 9/11, Sean? A lot of these loons believe that Bush blew up 3,000 of our countrymen to advance a politial agenda...how would this be a stretch?

hey terp maybe you could post a couple links to sites where this info came from huh?

Although I believe it is very possible for the far left loons to come up with thoughts like this  I would like to see some proof before condemning them {again}

yes i have heard those claims...duh. and i've also seen how different groups who questioned different aspects of things that happened before, during and after were immediately thrown into that group of "loons" for having the nerve to question things.

and this charge that terp made is pure propoganda based on nothing. if some loon actually makes that charge,,,then fine, call them what you will. but no one has. just him.

what is this pre-emptive bashing now? announce what we think the other side will come up with, which of course will be something ludicrous and trash it in advance as if they did, in fact, make that charge?

NONSENSE.

but i guess it is typical for the right's waterboys to just start making crap up when their ship is sinking. and if ya'll think it makes ya look, "oh so good" then by all means, disregard what i say and keep doin what yer doin.  

she did make the charge that the united states did the attack on 9/11

so it wouldn't be that big of a leap to assume that she will state that or at least think that the British did this attack on themselves.



just because they are incompetent and failed terrorists. you still have to treat them as tho they succeeded.

just like the two groups here in the us. you cannot let them off with a slap on the wrist as you imply just because the are incompetent and stupid.

and the two at Glasgow were successful

According to some (Rosie O'Donnell comes quickly to mind... as well as some of those that got some TV face time after Hurricane Katrina), George W. and little Dickie Cheney have been responsible for just about everything, including the collapse of the World Trade Center towers (and other surrounding buildings), and yes, if you ask some people they'd say it: the fact that an act of god/nature almost completely destroyed New Orleans.

Just about every time events like those that happened in the last 24 hours happen, conspiracy whack jobs come crawlin' out of the wood work to claim that whomever is in power (especially if they are a 'righty') was the cause/cuplrit.

My words were said in jest, but it fascinates me that some on the left find them so stinging and have to complain that the right pokes fun of these issues or calls some on the left whack jobs.

Personally I blame mother nature/god for what happened to Katrina, and I blame Al Qaeda and the followers of Bin Laden for what happened on 9-11-2001.  As to what happened in London and Glasgow, well I expect those events were the work of men (and possibly women) that wouldn't know George W. Bush or Dick Cheney if they bumped into them on the street.

That's my $0.02

Not that I would waste my time there, but....

and this charge that terp made is pure propoganda based on nothing. if some loon actually makes that charge,,,then fine, call them what you will. but no one has. just him. what is this pre-emptive bashing now? announce what we think the other side will come up with, which of course will be something ludicrous and trash it in advance as if they did, in fact, make that charge?

Sean - you have to be kidding me that I wouldn't find some knucklehead on DU, or other sites that almost immediately jumped to the conclusion that the events of the last 24 hours were instigated by the leaders of the U.S., under orders from Bush/Cheney.

It takes almost no time for these thoughts to be voiced in some places, and certainly some on the left have been waaaaaaaayyyyy out there when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Call my comments a pre-emptive strike if you want, but someone has to call b.s. on these invalid claims before they gain even a tiny bit of credence and are picked up and carried off by someone that just so happened to have a camera in front of them and was paid for generating controversy.

In case you can't figure out who that last line is talking about, google Rosie O'Donnell and check out her ugly mug as she spouted out her venom.

pretty coincidental that these attacks happened just when the fire was on Cheney and Kerik was in
Europe

Nope, that post doesn't appear here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1221359). It's just a figment of our imagination!

Gideon MacLeish said:

pretty coincidental that these attacks happened just when the fire was on Cheney and Kerik was in Europe Nope, that post doesn't appear here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1221359). It's just a figment of our imagination!

This is just way toooooo easy.  Thanks for the link Gid.  I just can't bring myself to even think of searching DU for any content.

I have noticed that some are advocating having a camera on every streetcorner like in the UK. Another loss for our freedoms, another step towards Big Brother. Another step from freedom for the guys who gave us warrentless wiretaps, Abu Girab and Guantanamo.

I have noticed that some are advocating having a camera on every streetcorner like in the UK. Another loss for our freedoms, another step towards Big Brother. Another step from freedom for the guys who gave us warrentless wiretaps, Abu Girab and Guantanamo.

When a preventable attack happens in this country (the U.S.A.) and the lack of cameras and other monitoring are pointed at as a big part of the reason such an attack happened, will you be singing the same tune?

The people we have tasked with protecting our safety are the same people that many would fault for failing to take adequate measures when such an attack occurs.  You cry about the stomping of freedoms and the use of warrentless searches but would be screaming bloody murder if someone you loved, or you, suffered because the scum that wants to do this country (and the citizens of same) harm was able to do just that.

The scum that is rotting away at Git-mo is just that.  Not wanted by their own countries in many cases, and ready to just re-join the fight and cause more trouble if they are released in most cases.  Given the opportunity they'd kill plenty of innocent individuals and not shed a tear for any.  Should I feel sorry for them and the lack of rights they currently have?  Hell no.  The rights they have now are more than the rights that they'd have if they were to get their way and were able to institute hardlined fundamentalist Islamic governance throughout the world.  They are certainly more well cared for, with 3 hots and a cot, or whatever their current feeding and sleeping arrangements are.

The scum at A.G. (Abu...) that we were supposed to get all upset about?  Thanks but no thanks.  That treatment was nothing compared to what should have happened to many of those vermin.  Instead of worrying about showing images like that, we should have made many more images like that and made it perfectly clear that it was only the tip of the treatment that such wanna be terrorists and trouble makers would see.  Instead we backed off and apologized and said we don't support such behavior and our enemies saw us as the weaklings that we are because of that.

The people who wish to do us harm understand iron fists and not much else.  We should use virtually any and all measures to snuff them out permanently or at least to make them completely impotent so they can not cause any harm to anyone except perhaps themselves if they wish to make use of some rope and a high point to swing from.

That is what needs to happen and what I think of comments like those quoted directly above.

Right, terp. Let's just cheapen ourselves and become everything we despise.

Sorry, I have to seriously part ways with you here. We SHOULD act with greater dignity because we ARE the greater nation. When we detain people without trial, when we refuse them due process or access to a lawyer, it goes against everything we believe.

Sorry, I have to seriously part ways with you here. We SHOULD act with greater dignity because we ARE the greater nation. When we detain people without trial, when we refuse them due process or access to a lawyer, it goes against everything we believe.

What rights to trial did these scum offer the people they were shooting at on the battle fields?

Or, for that matter, what rights to trial would these people offer us under their form of government?

Why must we grant rights to people that wouldn't grant them to us or to any others?

Sorry, you are welcome to disagree with me, but I still think that when you are fighting the kinds of people we are fighting, you don't do so with your hands tied behind your back.  You do whatever it takes to take the fight outta your enemy and leave them unable to and unwilling to ever fight on the subject again.  Failing to do so just postpones the inevitable and lets them go back to make war another day.  Make war without restrictions, without worries about looking like they are bad and evil or that their actions are despicable.

It most certainly doesn't go against everything *we* believe.  It goes against what many believe, and what they want to believe, but it doesn't go against what we all believe as I (and I would suspect many others) believe that we have fought enough, sacrificed enough, and shed enough blood in fights against people that show no sign of giving up.

I want them to see the futility of their actions and I'll take just about any opportunity to hasten their defeat, whether it comes from embarrassing them, humiliating them, segregating them, or killing them.  Anything less than that is just an invitation to spend much more money on feel good measures in the name of personal safety, or to spend much, much more money and shed much more blood to continue a fight that can't be won (... when using the rules that some would impose upon our troops and military leaders).

and we hide behind being the greater country at the detriment of our own citizens. we should allow ourselves a little room when it comes to detaining these people. we don't know what to do with them, they are bad guys, let them sit and eat on our dime for a while. remember being safe rather than sorry?

the government spent tons of money researching and making m.r.e's for muslims, so we could feed them without offending them. lets feed them and keep them out of the way for a while.

you've all heard it before, but if the roles were reversed, our people would be dead not detained.

it does not cheapen us as a country to take care of ourselves. we aren't bad people when we try to stop these people from hurting us. everyone knows that we are bending over backwards to treat those people nicely, overall. it'll never be enough.
you won't let it be enough.

anytime there is a prison, there will be scandal and wrong doing. responsibility for those things lays solely on the shoulders of the individuals who do the wrong things. it does not mean that our country is bad.

we are dealing with people who will not play by our rules. we can't make them see things the way we see them. terrorists are scary, but the scariest thing about this whole war, is seeing how far we won't go to protect our values, and our way of life. watching as we tie our hands behind our backs and watch a group of people who we could easily win against if we turned up the volume a little, beat us.
hearing americans who are more worried about a bunch of thugs in a lock-up than about the future of our country is scary to me.

i have to agree with the spirit of this one



what we need is Patton


gid these people are prisoners of war and as such no trail is necessary.

So we're going to rule according to THEIR standards, terp? You seem to be missing the point: we should not let their bad behaviour influence ours. So we believe "inalienable" rights, or do we not?



Because when we refuse them to other people we really don't hold them that dear.

Think the people at Guantanamo Bay are guilty of terrorism against America? They may all be -- every single one. BUT PROVE IT. I don't care if it's by military tribunal, trial, or what, GIVE them the benefit of trial before we write them off as terrorists. If a foreign army was marching down my street, I would use Molotov cocktails, IEDS, anything I could to stop them. Would that make me a terrorist? IN the eyes of the enemy, yes. But defending my nation against an invading force is vastly different from going to another nation to attaask innocents. I don't know that there is a single detainee in Gitmo for whom this is the case. But if we hold them indefinitely, without trial, how will we know?

danielost,

Then BURN our Constitution because it is no longer the standard by which we live!

gid gid gid


POW are not criminals so why would you put them on trail.

you don't put POWs on trail unless they have broken one of your laws well in your country or in your control.

you hold them until the war is over and then you send them home.

when will this war be over i don't know.

does not covor pows. the geneva convention does. and we have gone a long way to accomidate those at gitmo including putting signs in ever cell to tell them which way to pray

here is a link to the geneva convention

and remember being held in a cell could be considered torture.

and cutting someones head off is mutilating them

WWW Link

So we're going to rule according to THEIR standards, terp? You seem to be missing the point: we should not let their bad behaviour influence ours. So we believe "inalienable" rights, or do we not?

That is just it Gid.  These people are at best Prisoners of War, and thus NOT subject to our laws per the Geneva Convention.  at worse they are Enemy Combatants, and thus acording to the Geneva Convention, subject to be shot with again no Adjudication from our laws.  To Subject either group to our laws is a violation of not only International law, but of the GC.

You dont like they sit there in limbo for years on end.  The truth is, most other countries would have shot them as spies already.  And done so legally and with no legal outrage from any other nation. (Moral, yes, unless that country was doing business with the leader of the dictatorship).