Where do you get this notion that democrats are going to do what the "majority" wants?  You need to stop speaking for the "majority" because the majority are nt far-left obsessive Bush haters.

you forgot to say that all or almost all of the democrats voted for this bill

Reply By: CharlesCS1 Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007
I see you fail to respond to what I said. You are making excuses for democrats just as I said you would when they got some power. Stop speaking for the "majority" because you have no idea what they want. Your hypocrisy has been called out again.


Since POLL after POLL show that 70 % of Americans do not think we are going in the right and only about 24% are registered Democrats, there are a lot more then just Democrats that do not agree with Bush and the GOP! I am not speaking for anyone. The polls clearly show people DO NOT support Bush or the GOP policies! The Election in November 2006 showed the same thing. You will see a repeat of November 2006 in November 2008.

Timon from the Lion King said it best:

"have you got your lions crossed" That was not me doo-doo-head. Watch what you past or quote.

BTW, these people of the 2006 elections that won have a 15% approval rating, lowest in history, lower than Bush. You need to hold both sides accountable, not just Bush.

Reply By: danielost Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007
was also good to see the Senate say GO TO HELL BUSH in their vote on his Immigration Bill! This Bill was written by the White House even though Senators like Kennedy and Feinstein supported it!


"you forgot to say that all or almost all of the democrats voted for this bill "


WRONG AGAIN. The Vote was 37 GOP aginst, 15 Democrat aginst and one Independent aginst for a total of 53 aginst. SEE actual vote from the Senate Web Site:



Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on S.1639 )
Vote Number: 235 Vote Date: June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Measure Number: S. 1639
Measure Title: A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 46
NAYs 53
Not Voting 1
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Nay
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (R-VA), Nay
Webb (D-VA), Nay
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

33 Dems voted FOR this stupid bill 15 voted AGAINST.
12 Reps voted FOR this stupid bill and 37 voted AGAINST.

This suggests that the majority of the Dems supported this bill and the majority of the Reps voted against.

Bush didn't Lie about a need for a guest worker program. Just because there are other programs already, apparently they don't fill the market. I'm all for a guest worker program, but I don't agree with this particular bill. I think all guest worker programs should recruit from the US embassies, and only legal immigrants should be able to apply from the US.


Some people say that Americans will do these jobs, if the pay was better. Well, I know people who can't remember the last time an American even applied for jobs they offer... and they start at $10/hr for unskilled labor.

33 Dems voted FOR this stupid bill 15 voted AGAINST.
12 Reps voted FOR this stupid bill and 37 voted AGAINST.

This suggests that the majority of the Dems supported this bill and the majority of the Reps voted against. I agree.l But what I was resonding to was this:

"you forgot to say that all or almost all of the democrats voted for this bill "

Reply By: ParaTed2k Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007
Bush didn't Lie about a need for a guest worker program. Just because there are other programs already, apparently they don't fill the market.


Where do you get “Apparently don't fill the market” with 4.7% of our people unemployed? It could be at the below living wage wages some companies want to pay but I do not see the evidence that the existing 8 Guest worker programs are not meeting the NEEDS. They may not be meeting the WANTS of companies that want to pay lower wages!

33 out of 51

yea your right that is a minority of demos voting for this bill

12 out of 49 again your right this is a majority of republicans voting for this bill


i suggest you go back to elementary school and learn how to add subtract multiply and divide

danielost

I guess you can not read:

"you forgot to say that all or almost all of the democrats voted for this bill " Almost all democrats DID NOT support the Bush Bill. Majority and ALL are NOT the same!

I never said it met the "needs", I said it doesn't fill the market. Business isn't about meeting "needs", business is about the market. The job market is no different than any other market. There might be 8 guest worker programs, but obviously they don't fill the market for unskilled labor because there are still so many jobs left unfilled.

"Business isn't about meeting "needs", business is about the market."

Here is the problem-- Some Business wants to use workers that break the laws by illegally entering the U.S. and they are also breaking the laws by employing these illegals. They do so to cut costs and increase their profits. That is not meeting the market. Meeting the market is employing workers legally and paying them a wage agreeable to both the worker and employer. What is going on is that these employers that use this illegal labor increase their profits and the taxpayers pay the cost of these illegal’s by higher costs for educating their children, health care, and then these illegal workers send much of their earnings home and the money leaves our country to the determent of our economy. If these employers hired legal workers that paid taxes and the workers spent the money they earn in the U.S. we would be far better off. The only people making out are the illegal workers and the greedy companies that put higher profits ahead of obeying the laws of this country! Bush and the GOP have turned their heads by not enforcing the laws that exist. WE DO NOT need new laws just enforce the existing laws! We need enough Border guards to STOP more illegal’s from coming into the U.S. We need to go after employers that break the law by employing these illegals! If we punished the employers they would stop hiring these illegal workers and they would stop coming into the country if they could not find work!

more than 50% is almost all


after all you keep saying the samething when you start spouting all americans want this or that. when it is usually less the half

51- 33= 18 see that is more than double that said yes to what said no

so again i suggest you go back to school and this time don't look up dresses

“so again i suggest you go back to school and this time don't look up dresses.”

You said ALL or Almost ALL. That is NOT CORRECT. The issue is that Bush LIED again about the need for another Guest Worker Program. Bush is getting no ware on Immigration, Iraq, Energy, Health care, Border security, Social Security. His is as ineffective a President as we have ever had in office! Congress should cut his budget and just provide for his pay and security. Same thing for Draft Dodger Dick. No more trips, dinners or any other activities. Bush should contemplate just how negative a legacy he will leave as President! Cheney should see if he can get his old job back and work as a civilian contractor in Iraq after we leave!

the percentage was about 66% and according to you that is all

and the number of republicans that voted for it was about 33% which according to you is a majority

so what your saying is that they should remove him from office without being charged with anything and he hasn't been.

and who do you propose should run the government for the next 1.5 years that idiot in charge of the house. that is called a coup. so what you want is for the federal government to be overthrown.

i think there would be a revolt if she tried to do that.

so what your saying is that they should remove him from office without being charged with anything and he hasn't been. If we allow Bush to HIDE what he has none he will never be held accountable!

For failing to abide by the FISA Act

For failure to deal with the energy problem.

For Killing 3,600 Americans in Iraq.

For wounding over 25,000 Americans in Iraq.

For increasing the number of terrorists that hate us.

For adding almost $4 Trillion to the National Debt.

For failure to enforce immigration laws and protect our border and ports.

For lying to the American People.

For the way he mishandled Katrina Help.

For a trade policy that is shipping American Jobs to other countries.

For the incompetent people he appointed to high office.

The list goes on and on. There are more reasons to get rid of Bush then ANY president in our history!

non of these are crimes assuming that you assign all blame on him.





this is happening because of taxes




NO president since the illegal alien act was started (which is when they started minimum wage in this country) has ever enforced these laws



before he took office 1 billion terrorists hated us and today 1 billion terrorists hate us looks like the same number to me.



those people stuck in new Orleans during Katrina were stuck there because the major wouldn't use the buses available to get them out of there. further the major turned down Amtrak's offer get its trains down there and pull them out of there.

and even further bush told the major and the Governor three days before the storm hit to get everyone out of the city. at which time the major had the drivers for those buses.



i looked up this act but i refuse to read that much lawerlez

I don't know....33 for 15 against, that sounds like almost all of the democrats supported it to me.

Sorry, but you're an idiot who can't even do simple math. Is Alzheimers catching up to you?

Do you know how many illegal aliens are now working for city, state and federal governents? What punishment should we dole out against the police chief if it turns out some cops are illegal aliens? What punishment should we give the military if a troop turns out to be illegal?

But the big question is, if the government can't even seem to decide which of their employees are legal and which aren't, how is Joe Landscape supposed to?

“Those people stuck in New Orleans during Katrina were stuck there because the major wouldn't use the buses available to get them out of there. Further the major turned down Amtrak's offer get its trains down there and pull them out of there.”

If you believe the 600 Busses could have moved all those people you are mentally challenged. Do the math 600 X 65 + 39,000. There were a lot more then that. The issue is the response of Bush AFTER the storm hit. For a week BUSH did NOTHING!



“But the big question is, if the government can't even seem to decide which of their employees are legal and which aren't, how is Joe Landscape supposed to?”


What Bush could do is STOP more illegal’s from coming into the country. Five years after 9/11 and Bush has not requested the manpower, equipment and fence to STOP illegal’s from crossing the border WHY???????

it was a 1000 buses and they had three days not one trip

and i think you forgot to read the part where Amtrak afford to pull trains down there and get everyone out.


oh i know your going to say that Amtrak would only pull one train down there with one car

THE PERSON AT FAULT FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE BEING LEFT IN NEW ORLEANS WAS THE MAJOR.


THE PERSON AT FAULT FOR NOT PROVIDING SECURITY AT THE STADIUM AND THE MALL WAS THE MAJOR.

the person who was not able to do anything about these people was the president.

the locals IE the Governor and the major evacuate the president advises to evacuate which he did three days before the storm hit.

so the people at fault for those people being left in New Orleans was the major and the governor.

question how many buses could the governor have gotten to New Orleans.

how many buses did the Governor get to New Orleans.

another question what party do the Governor and the major belong to. hint it is the party that says it cares about the people.

and by the way there was a nursing home in New Orleans that was offered city help to get its residents to safety. They refused and were charged with neglect(i think) because two or three of its residents were killed.

and since the major was offered Amtrak help and refused. Shouldn't the major of New Orleans be held to a higher standard than the owners of a nursing home.

I WANT CHARGES OF NEGLECT FILED AGAINST THE MAJOR OF NEW ORLEANS. I WANT HIM IN JAIL FOR NEGLECT.

I WANT CHARGES OF NEGLECT FILED AGAINST THE GOVERNOR AS WELL. I WANT HER IN JAIL FOR NEGLECT.

because even if they didn't get those people out of there for political reasons. they still neglected to do their jobs and get those people out of New Orleans after the president told them to.

bush has to requested the man power to guard the border.

he even sent the national guard down there. which according to you we can't have happen becouse that 2% of the guard sent down there would cripple the national guard.

the stuff is being stopped in congress either by the democrats or the republicans or both.

but bush has asked for the stuff you have mentioned

yes i know the total is 22% maybe 25% now but that is out of 350,000 men/women

that is lets call it 100,000 men leaving 250,000 men/women for national disasters here at home.

doesn't look like their crippled to me.