Candidates DID NOT Read the NIE on Iraq!

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Of the 2008 presidential candidates who were in Congress in 2002, only Biden read the NIE before voting to allow Bush to take this country to War in Iraq! Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback all admitted they cast the most important vote that any member of Congress can make without reading the most complete assessment of the reasons to attack another country—The National Intelligence Estimate. As former Governor Gilmore said, Members of Congress “ought to read at least that kind of material” It is still not clear if Congress was also provided the 2002 assessment from the Pentagon that concluded that Saddam was not capable of conducting ANY military operations outside Iraq. It is also not clear who was provided the intelligence from the CIA that concluded that Saddam would most likely only use any WMD he did have within Iraq and had no potential for using such weapons outside Iraq.

What is clear is we had a President and Vice President that cherry picked the intelligence which supported the argument to attack Iraq and buried anything that documented reasons not to invade Iraq. We had a President that ignored the advice of the most senior diplomats who warned to attack Iraq would destabilize the country, get the U.S. bogged down in a civil war and cause significant hatred among the Moslems thought the world. We had a Congress that did not read the NIE but relied on briefings that can distort or ignore information essential to make an informed decision.

We sent our brave young military into war and the responsible elected officials failed the most basic responsibility necessary to make the choice. There is NO more important decision of Congress and the president then to take our country to war. We took the MOST awesome step any country can take without understanding the REAL nature of the threat. We have a President and a Congress that has failed their MOST BASIC responsibility to our country and it’s military!
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Talk about cherry picking. One day you claim that Republicans do nothing but lie the next day you eat up anything they say. You really have lost you mind haven't you Col? You jump at anything that screams "Bush is evil" even if it comes from the mouths of the same people you called liars days before.

In the words of Buzz Lightyear (ask a grandkid if you don't know who this is):

"You are one sad, strange, little man. You have my pitty."
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback all admitted they cast the most important vote that any member of Congress can make without reading the most complete assessment of the reasons to attack another country—The National Intelligence Estimate.


you would think that clinton would have learned from her husbands mistake

Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'll take your silence as agreeing with me Col.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
= you would think that Clinton would have learned from her husband’s mistake.

I am not aware that Pres Clinton did not pay attention to the NIE. We however have PROOF, by their own admission, that these four DID NOT read the NIE before voting to allow Bush to take our country into war. HOW many other members of Congress did not read the Intelligence. How many were aware that the Pentagon said Saddam could not mount military Action against ANY country. How many in Congress knew that the CIA told Bush that Saddam would not use any WMD he had outside Iraq. How many in Congress knew that Baker, Powell, Armitage and others warned Bush of the dangers of invading Iraq? We know Bush and Cheney knew all THIS INFORMATION AND YET THEY TOOK US INTO A WAR THAT WAS WRONG FROM THE START. If you believe Congress met their Constitutional Responsibilities when they gave Bush the authority to invade Iraq without knowing what the Intelligence said about the danger Saddam presented to our country you have lost your mind! This is an unjust war and Congress failed to meet their responsibilities under our Constitution!!!!!!!! Now four of these Senators want to be President—HELL NO!!!!!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yep, and it's Bush's fault that they did not read it.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am not aware that Pres Clinton did not pay attention to the NIE.


he vetod something without reading it and almost killed the 2002 winter olympics in salt lake city
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
to make it more clear

it was the only time that the president of the usa had the line item veto

his words he saw the words military, navy, army, whatever and vetoed it never bothered to read it

one of the items he vetoed was the money needed to move the reserve base at the university of utah campass. so that they could use that land to build the olympic village. They had to come up a new bill to get the funds. and it was to late to choose a different location for the village.

so again i will say that hillary should have learned that lession from her husband about reading something before putting your name on it.

BUT MY GUESS IS SHE DIDN'T READ IT SO THAT LATER SHE COULD SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T READ IT.

and i assumme that she did actually read it
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
and please don't tell me that it isn't important becouse you were only attacking bush


if your going to attack one group you have to attack the other group for doing the samething or this case worse becouse that is all they do
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another losing battle. Why do these people evn post articles if they bare come in to defend them?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: MasonM Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007
Yep, and it's Bush's fault that they did not read it.


Where Did I say that? However, Bush was aware of this information and ignored ALL the information that showed invading Iraq was a mistake! He also claimed we were in danger from a nuclear attack from Iraq, The Mushroom clouds if we did not act, when he knew that was not true. He also ignored the most senior diplomats that warned against such an invasion and then failed to send the troops needed to secure Iraq after Saddam Fell! The mess in Iraq is because of Bush and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007
I am not aware that Pres Clinton did not pay attention to the NIE.


he vetod something without reading it and almost killed the 2002 winter olympics in salt lake city

HOW IS THAT COMPERABLE TO GOING TO WAR?
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007
to make it more clear

it was the only time that the president of the usa had the line item veto

his words he saw the words military, navy, army, whatever and vetoed it never bothered to read it

one of the items he vetoed was the money needed to move the reserve base at the university of utah campass. so that they could use that land to build the olympic village. They had to come up a new bill to get the funds. and it was to late to choose a different location for the village.

so again i will say that hillary should have learned that lession from her husband about reading something before putting your name on it.

BUT MY GUESS IS SHE DIDN'T READ IT SO THAT LATER SHE COULD SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T READ IT.

and i assumme that she did actually read it


EVEN IF ALL THIS IS TRUE, IT IS NOTHING LIKE GOING TO WAR BY NOT READING THE INTELLIGENCE OR HAVING A PRESIDENT TWIST THE FACTS LIKE BUSH DID TO JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF IRAQ!
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
HOW IS THAT COMPERABLE TO GOING TO WAR?


you stated that hillary voted for something without reading what she was voting for


if that is true i would never hire her as a lawer

becouse she is to stupid to be one

i wasn't comparing it to going to war

i was comparing how stupid it was

you need to understand something dictator col. gene when hilliary was first lady she made the white house staff clear the hallways and rooms when she came in.

and now she cares about the little people don't make me sick.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
You stated that Hillary voted for something without reading what she was voting for

YES and I also said the same thing about Edwards, McCain and Brownback. I also asked how many OTHER members of Congress did not read the Intelligence before giving Bush the authority to start a WAR! I also said the President IGNORED the Intelligence and ignored the advice of people like Baker, Powell, Armitage and MOST of the senior Generals. We have BOTH a Congress and President that took our country to WAR against a country that posed NO danger and there was a lot of Intel that said JUST THAT that was either not read by members of Congress before voting to go to war and a President who IGNORED anything that did not support what he wanted to do! NOW our country is in a NO WIN situation because of Bush and Congress! We have 3,500 dead military and over 25,000 injured for no valid reason.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
The mess in Iraq is because of Bush and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!


Again you force my hand at this. Are you stupid or something? Do you not even follow your own line of thinking? From your own article:

Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback all admitted they cast the most important vote that any member of Congress can make without reading the most complete assessment of the reasons to attack another country—The National Intelligence Estimate


Here you mention 4 people who have great power in Congress that failed to read a very important document that would have helped in making a very important decision. I would called this irresponsible and would consider them as much responsible for this blunder in Iraq as Bush is. So how, in your right mind (if you even have one), can you say "NO ONE ELSE" when you yourself provided evidence that he was not alone on this ship of blunders? Obviousely that hatred towards Bush that you continue to deny to have makes you oblivious to your own writing. Do you have alzheimer or were you just born this way?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
You stated that Hillary voted for something without reading what she was voting for

YES and I also said the same thing about Edwards, McCain and Brownback.


yes but non of these other three have had their husbands do anything as stupid as clinton did

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: CharlesCS1 Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2007
The mess in Iraq is because of Bush and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!


Again you force my hand at this. Are you stupid or something? Do you not even follow your own line of thinking? From your own article:


Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback all admitted they cast the most important vote that any member of Congress can make without reading the most complete assessment of the reasons to attack another country—The National Intelligence Estimate

It is you that is light between the ears. Had Bush not insisted on invading Iraq there would not have been a vote by Congress. Congress was not insisting on invading Iraq. They acted on the Bush insistence that Saddam was this threat that required the United States to preemptively attack Iraq because we were in mortal danger from Saddam. As I said, the Iraq War is because of BUSH. There would not have been a war resolution or an invasion had it not been for Bush!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yes but none of these other three have had their husbands do anything as stupid as Clinton did


The issue is not Just Clinton. Reread the Blog. You just want to divert attention from the fact we have a Congress and President that took us into a war that was unnecessary!
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Had Bush not insisted on invading Iraq there would not have been a vote by Congress. Congress was not insisting on invading Iraq. They acted on the Bush insistence that Saddam was this threat that required the United States to preemptively attack Iraq because we were in mortal danger from Saddam




so now it is BUSH'S FAULT THAT THESE FOUR IDIOTS DIDN'T READ THE INTELLEGENCE REPORT


what did he do hold a gun to their heads and threaton to kill them if they did

You just want to divert attention from the fact we have a Congress and President that took us into a war that was unnecessary!


including the four that you mention

who were stupid becouse they didn't read what they were voting for

and as i said hillary is double stupid becouse her husband made the same mistake when he was in office and almost killed the 2002 winter olympics
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
So now it is BUSH'S FAULT THAT THESE FOUR IDIOTS DIDN'T READ THE INTELLEGENCE REPORT WHERE DID I SAY THAT? I said the senators were wrong but had BUSH not insisted on the WAR RESOLUTION, there would not have been a VOTE or a WAR!


And as I said Hillary is double stupid because her husband made the same mistake when he was in office and almost killed the 2002 winter Olympics

NO YOU IDIOT. She had ONE vote just like all others in Congress. Had BUSH not lied about the danger, there would not have been a VOTE!
ALL member of Congress that did not read the NIE before voting for the Bush War Resolution were WRONG! BUSH was WRONG for submitting the request to attack Iraq in the first place. Anyone that defends either Bush or the members of Congress that voted to send our military into combat without understanding the reason are JUST AS GUILTY for the 3,500 Dead and 25,000 injured American Military as Bush and the members of Congress that failed to uphold their most basic responsibility.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL member of Congress that did not read the NIE before voting for the Bush War Resolution were WRONG! BUSH was WRONG for submitting the request to attack Iraq in the first place. Anyone that defends either Bush or the members of Congress that voted to send our military into combat without understanding the reason are JUST AS GUILTY for the 3,500 Dead and 25,000 injured American Military as Bush and the members of Congress that failed to uphold their most basic responsibility.




yea well i keep saying that saddam had to be removed period

as for these four idiots in congress. you and i both know that they read that report. anyone stupid enough to think that they didn't is even more dangerass than these four are.

and i guess i am guilty of the 3500 dead and the 25,000 injured. but unlike you i will stand up for what i say.


and this is what i think about war. all wars should be fought on computer, so that no one will be killed or injured becouse of these wars. that being said SADDAM HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AND SO DOES THAT IDIOT IN IRAN.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
in the last 4 years there have been up to 80,000 civilians have been killed

saddam was allowing up to 105,000 people per year to starve to death so he could get richer

looks to me that deaths are down quite a bit

there have been 4000 deaths in 4 years in this war

the battle of d-day there were 2500 american deaths don't know how many were hurt

and that is but 1 day of fighting

like i keep saying a supply sargeant shouldn't be telling combat personal how to run a war
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is you that is light between the ears. Had Bush not insisted on invading Iraq there would not have been a vote by Congress. Congress was not insisting on invading Iraq. They acted on the Bush insistence that Saddam was this threat that required the United States to preemptively attack Iraq because we were in mortal danger from Saddam. As I said, the Iraq War is because of BUSH. There would not have been a war resolution or an invasion had it not been for Bush!


I'm sorry Col but you are just being ridiculous now. Had Bush not insisted? If one of your kids would have insisted that marijuana was not a bad thing would you have let them smoke it? Listen to your own logic, these people "Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback" and all the others in Congress were perfectly capable of making decisions for themselves. There were no guns pointed at their heads (that we know of) obligating them to follow the Presidents words. It was irresponsible to not have read the document and then make a vote that would put us at war with another country. Every single person in Congress is just as responsible as Bush it. The war in Iraq was not a one man show, our Gov't is designed to not allow that. You're an idiot for continuing to ignore the fact that there were others involved, even worse when you point them out you forget them by your next reply. Man you are stupid, at least ignorance can be cured with education, stupidity is for ever.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
yea well I keep saying that Saddam had to be removed period

That is true but not by the U.S. Military. That needed to be done by the Iraqi People!!!!!!


And I guess I am guilty of the 3500 dead and the 25,000 injured. But unlike you I will stand up for what I say.

I have stood up for what I believe and wrote two books to document those beliefs!


Reply By: danielost Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2007
In the last 4 years there have been up to 80,000 civilians have been killed

Saddam was allowing up to 105,000 people per year to starve to death so he could get richer

Look at what is taking place in Africa today. Look at what takes place in North Korea. There are dictators that are far worse then Saddam if your measure is how many people they kill and torture. We are NOT the world's policeman and Bush said we had to invade Iraq because of the DANGER he posed to our country which was a LIE!


I'm sorry Col but you are just being ridiculous now. Had Bush not insisted? If one of your kids would have insisted that marijuana was not a bad thing would you have let them smoke it? Listen to your own logic, these people "Edwards, Clinton, McCain and Brownback" and all the others in Congress were perfectly capable of making decisions for them. There were no guns pointed at their heads (that we know of) obligating them to follow the Presidents words. It was irresponsible to not have read the document and then make a vote that would put us at war with another country. Every single person in Congress is just as responsible as Bush it.

That makes Bush MORE culpable and he also was aware of ALL the Intel and the advice that to invade Iraq was a mistake. He ignored that information and advice, CHERRY picked that Intel that supported what he wanted to do and then members of Congress DID not do their job to read the NIE and allowed Bush to take our country into an UNJUST WAR that has made us LESS safe, Killed 3,500 troops, Injured 25,000 more and will cost the taxpayers about a Trillion Dollars that we need for FAR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR OUR COUNTRY!
Reply #25 from PolMach Forums Top
Anybody watch the Republican debate? They didn't read it either. Its been pretty well proven that all the reasons for going to war have been proven false except perhaps to get Saddam out of power. If kicking a dicatator out is your reason to go to war, then we have a lot more countries to invade.