The Immigration Bill ..... and Low-skilled labor
Who Needs That !!!!!
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All of a sudden, Bush supporters woke up and discovered that he is an idiot who is leading the country down a disastrous path. And what woke them up? the Immigration Bill !!!!!
It is as if during the past 6 years, nothing.... absolutely nothing that this fool did matters to his supporters.... except the Immigration Bill. And what is so disastrous about this Bill? Let me count the ways according to those former supporters of GWB:
1- It gives temporary Visas and work permits to people currently working in this country most of whom are low-skilled laborers.
2- Those low-skilled people usually resist assimilation in "America"
3- Those people usually hate this country and think the South really belongs to their country ... i.e. Mexico
4- Those people don’t pay much in taxes but enjoy the benefits of our safety net.
I am trying to understand the logic behind this sudden conversion of former GWB supporters.
First let me say this up front, entering this country illegally is a crime and should not be permitted.
Few other facts of life and of natural laws should be stated here:
a- Borders are not doors that can be closed shut. Every border in the world is being penetrated, illegally, on a regular basis and all that any country can do is to keep that to a minimum. If borders could be closed shut, we wouldn’t have drugs and arms smuggled allover the world all the time. Would we?
b- If there is a need for anything and there is a supply for it somewhere, the supply will find a way to where it is needed regardless of anyone's objection, control, desire, policy or whatever.
c-If there is an easy legal way to obtain anything, people usually get it that way. They don’t resort to illegal ways for the fun of it. Because it is not fun ... it is dangerous and many times it is fatal.
d- All societies need every level of labor skill from bed-pan cleaners to particle physics’ scientists. Much more of the former than of the latter.
There are more facts involved but the above are sufficient to make few points.
The fact that there are from 12 to 20 million illegal workers (including their families) here in the US proves that there are jobs available for these people, otherwise they would have returned back long time ago. why would they stay here? To be arrested?
And if this is the case, why are we opposed to allow needed labor to enter and work legally?
Are we supposed to believe that we don’t need low-skilled labor in this country and by allowing them we will lower the standards of our society?
who will pick up the vegetables and fruits that we eat? a high-tech geek?
if we have enough citizens who can do this low-skilled work, how come the farmers in the west and the south west have a labor shortage now after we made it a little more difficult to penetrate the borders? What would happen if we really somehow managed to make it very difficult which is not practical?
Another point that is being raised in opposition to this Bill is that it makes it easy for these people to get Visa while other high-skilled people are having difficult time and they are made to spend much more to get a Visa.
This of course is a very logical complaint and whoever obstructing the Visas for anyone who has a legitimate purpose of being here needs to be removed from office. but the Bill has nothing to do with that. unless of course you take the attitude that "if i don’t get it, they don’t get it either".
Bureaucratic red tape should not stand in the way when there is a legitimate need to be fulfilled. But this has nothing to do with the Immigration Bill. I am sure the people involved, if the Bill passes, will face the same red tape. It is an equal opportunity obstructer.
Other points raised against this Bill like assimilation and attitudes will be much alleviated if these people feel welcomed and their services are appreciated not made to feel as if they are sub-humans.
As for the low taxes they pay .... there is an easy solution. Pay them more......
Of all people, conservatives should know that there is no free lunch. If we need the services we have to pay for it one way or another. Either allow low-skilled labor to come legally and work in our farms, Or shut-down our farms (like Reagan did with our Factories) and import the farm-products we need, Or Automate the operation to make it easier for Americans to work in this area and pay for the cost to do that.
If we fail to do any of the above, they will come illegally whether we like it or not and it is not stoppable. Remember... the Border is not a door that can be closed shut.
It is as if during the past 6 years, nothing.... absolutely nothing that this fool did matters to his supporters.... except the Immigration Bill. And what is so disastrous about this Bill? Let me count the ways according to those former supporters of GWB:
1- It gives temporary Visas and work permits to people currently working in this country most of whom are low-skilled laborers.
2- Those low-skilled people usually resist assimilation in "America"
3- Those people usually hate this country and think the South really belongs to their country ... i.e. Mexico
4- Those people don’t pay much in taxes but enjoy the benefits of our safety net.
I am trying to understand the logic behind this sudden conversion of former GWB supporters.
First let me say this up front, entering this country illegally is a crime and should not be permitted.
Few other facts of life and of natural laws should be stated here:
a- Borders are not doors that can be closed shut. Every border in the world is being penetrated, illegally, on a regular basis and all that any country can do is to keep that to a minimum. If borders could be closed shut, we wouldn’t have drugs and arms smuggled allover the world all the time. Would we?
b- If there is a need for anything and there is a supply for it somewhere, the supply will find a way to where it is needed regardless of anyone's objection, control, desire, policy or whatever.
c-If there is an easy legal way to obtain anything, people usually get it that way. They don’t resort to illegal ways for the fun of it. Because it is not fun ... it is dangerous and many times it is fatal.
d- All societies need every level of labor skill from bed-pan cleaners to particle physics’ scientists. Much more of the former than of the latter.
There are more facts involved but the above are sufficient to make few points.
The fact that there are from 12 to 20 million illegal workers (including their families) here in the US proves that there are jobs available for these people, otherwise they would have returned back long time ago. why would they stay here? To be arrested?
And if this is the case, why are we opposed to allow needed labor to enter and work legally?
Are we supposed to believe that we don’t need low-skilled labor in this country and by allowing them we will lower the standards of our society?
who will pick up the vegetables and fruits that we eat? a high-tech geek?
if we have enough citizens who can do this low-skilled work, how come the farmers in the west and the south west have a labor shortage now after we made it a little more difficult to penetrate the borders? What would happen if we really somehow managed to make it very difficult which is not practical?
Another point that is being raised in opposition to this Bill is that it makes it easy for these people to get Visa while other high-skilled people are having difficult time and they are made to spend much more to get a Visa.
This of course is a very logical complaint and whoever obstructing the Visas for anyone who has a legitimate purpose of being here needs to be removed from office. but the Bill has nothing to do with that. unless of course you take the attitude that "if i don’t get it, they don’t get it either".
Bureaucratic red tape should not stand in the way when there is a legitimate need to be fulfilled. But this has nothing to do with the Immigration Bill. I am sure the people involved, if the Bill passes, will face the same red tape. It is an equal opportunity obstructer.
Other points raised against this Bill like assimilation and attitudes will be much alleviated if these people feel welcomed and their services are appreciated not made to feel as if they are sub-humans.
As for the low taxes they pay .... there is an easy solution. Pay them more......
Of all people, conservatives should know that there is no free lunch. If we need the services we have to pay for it one way or another. Either allow low-skilled labor to come legally and work in our farms, Or shut-down our farms (like Reagan did with our Factories) and import the farm-products we need, Or Automate the operation to make it easier for Americans to work in this area and pay for the cost to do that.
If we fail to do any of the above, they will come illegally whether we like it or not and it is not stoppable. Remember... the Border is not a door that can be closed shut.
). the main point was that we have to do something to fix the immigration mess, just opposing it and the way it happened is not really solving anything. 
Your killing me Doc.