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Aren't we past this point? AIDS is only a gay disease

Aren't we past this point? AIDS is only a gay disease

I see words in articles that just continue to fan flames for me.  Ooops, I used the word flames, and some persons might think I was discussing flaming, like in homosexual and because of that will figure that whatever happens to whomever I was talking about is just fine.

Well excuse me, but it's not fine.

As an example, there are words like:


Regardless of what you've been told, in America the vast majority of AIDS cases come from promiscuous sexual behaviour. Although there were cases of AIDS contracted through blood transfusions in the early years, the supply has been pretty well safguarded against such future incidents, at least on a widespread basis. And sorry, your Aunt Sally's advice notwithstanding, there are no proven incidents of HIV transmission through deep kissing.


Even if AIDS is strictly a disease that is prevalent among a community that is practicing abhorrent behavior, there is no excuse for ignoring it and the people that are suffering from it.  There's no excuse (except outright bigotry and homophobia) to consider it a disease that anyone deserves to contract.

There are any number of diseases that afflict the population of the world, and as I said previously no one disease really deserves more attention than any other when it comes to finding a treatment or cure, or developing a vaccine or other preventive measures against such diseases.

Has there been a very vocal homosexual community pushing research into treatment for AIDS, and pushing for developing vaccines and such?  Yes there has, but I don't begrudge them because of it.  I don't wish AIDS upon members of that community or any other.  I don't wish it upon people that have been promiscuous, and I most certainly don't wish it upon the people that they come into contact with over their history.

There are other problems that deserve attention, heart disease among them, cancer among them, and others that may only affect a very small portion of the population.  I feel for all of the people affected by all of these diseases, but again, I don't want to see some priority system developed that says that we must work on this issue first, or that issue second, and so on.

I want cures and prevention for all of these things.  I want to see ALS wiped out.  I want to see Alzheimers become a distant memory in the history of humanity.  I want cancer eradicated from our lives.

I want all of these things and more, while still wanting to see diseases like AIDS get attention too.

I hope in the future that the doctors and researchers that are working on AIDS are able to take the efforts to other areas and vice versa.  There are more than enough issues to go around and more than enough issues to need attention from the medical community and society as a whole.

I also really hope that the future sees us clear of jealousy and bigotry.  Jealousy of the attention that one group gets in trying to spur attention to their issues, and bigotry related to clustering victims of some diseases into a category of people that deserved what they got because they were deviants and couldn't or wouldn't help themselves avoid the behavior that helped them contract the diseases.

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Reply #26 Top
If you want a real depressing view, look at China. They didn't even start screening their blood for AIDS as a national policy until 1996. Even now large amounts of tainted blood gets in because the people who are responsible take bribes from those who donate.

Their response towards the man who uncovered the scandal? Arrest him for divulging, "state secrets". Coincidentally, China is probably outpacing Africa in cases of AIDS, but no one will ever really know the death toll because the government staunchly refuses to publicize it.
Reply #27 Top
I also want to make it abundantly clear that even if AIDS were 100% exclusive to the gay community I would not want decreased funding because of it. NOBODY should have to suffer through that, even if their "behaviour" is something we find abhorrent
Reply #28 Top
And there I'd have to disagree. If people get AIDS because of their behavior, i.e. doing something they shouldn't have been doing, I don't believe society has an obligation.

Sure, some will say that some cancers, heart problems, etc., come from people's behaviors. To that I'd say *exactly*. Society doesn't feel an obligation to offer organ transplants for people that can't afford them more often than not. How often do you see a jar by the cash register raising money for Little Joey Leukemia? When your local drunk needs a liver transplant there aren't people wearing ribbons to show him support.

No, we're asked to pay for insurance, or jump through some serious hoops for help. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get help when you have HIV. The Ryan White system ALONE is federally funded to over a half billion dollars a year if I recall, and that is over and above other government aid, etc. That's a LOT of marrow transplants for all those Little Joey Leukemias.

So, no, if this were specifically confined to the people who got it from irresponsible behavior, I wouldn't be interested in helping. That's why we have private charities and health insurance. There was no grant for me when I was uninsured and found out I had Crohns.

There are many, many partners out there, though, that had no idea some waste of skin was bringing it home to them, so there needs to be resources. The way the money is thrown around, though, and the lack of accountability for people who spread the disease is intolerable.
Reply #29 Top
this may sound callus and mean of me but i hope they don't find a way to stop or fight aids

becouse it seems that the next std is worse than the last one

if that makes me a mean person then so be it

i just don't want to kiss a girl and get a desease like that
Reply #30 Top
this may sound callus and mean of me but i hope they don't find a way to stop or fight aids

becouse it seems that the next std is worse than the last one


dan...that is kind of screwed up.

aids wasn't caused by another STD being cured. another stronger, more potent STD could come down the pike regardless of the status of aids research. keep in mind that HIV, herpes, the clap, etc,,,are all independent, seperate diseases. it's not like they are 1 strain of cancer that got stronger over the years. it would be like saying that you hope they don't cure diabetes because then the next strain of hemophelia might be stronger. get it?
Reply #31 Top
Promiscuity only increases your chances of being exposed to it.


is the primary way to contract it and all of the other std's it is nearly the only way to get them no blood transfusion problems with them

no dirty needles problem with them
aids wasn't caused by another STD being cured. another stronger, more potent STD could come down the pike regardless of the status of aids research. keep in mind that HIV, herpes, the clap, etc,,,are all independent, seperate diseases. it's not like they are 1 strain of cancer that got stronger over the years. it would be like saying that you hope they don't cure diabetes because then the next strain of hemophelia might be stronger. get it?


i never said that they were the same desease i said that as we learned to cope and or cure them another one would come along a little stronger or worse than the last one

and with aids being as bad as it is the next one you maybe able to get just by breathing

even tho aids is a man made desease
Reply #32 Top
is the primary way to contract it and all of the other std's it is nearly the only way to get them no blood transfusion problems with them

no dirty needles problem with them


What???? Dirty needles aren't a problem? Transfusions aren't a problem? Did you read Baker's comment on China?

Promiscuity does not cause AIDs. A virus does. Promiscuity only increases your chances of being exposed to it.


insightful.

Reply #33 Top
reread what i wrote
Reply #34 Top
i said that the primary way to get aids is sexual
and you can get it with blood transfusions and dirty needles

all of the other stds can only be gotten by sex
yes i am sure there are a couple of cases where someone got these others other ways

but sun light and air destroy them

don't tell me i didn't understand you when you didn't understand me

std means sexually transmitted desease and why do you think they call them that
Reply #35 Top
said that the primary way to get aids is sexual
and you can get it with blood transfusions and dirty needles


That's not what you said.

don't tell me i didn't understand you when you didn't understand me



I understood what you wrote, I just don't think you wrote what you meant. Proper punctuation might make it easier to see what you are really trying to say. I say that sincerely, and not trying to be a jerk.
Reply #36 Top
Like Hepatitis C,


this is not an std it is a poop desease although you might be able to get during sex

the stds except hiv can only be gotten by sex which is why they are called stds and in most casing oral sex isn't even good enough to get them
Reply #37 Top
psst, LW...it's useless! Danielost already knows everything, we're all just a bunch of morons.
Reply #38 Top
see hep c is not a std hep b is

and yes women can bleed during sex



How does someone get hepatitis?
The hepatitis A virus can enter a person's body when he or she eats or drinks something contaminated with the stool or blood of someone who has the disease. Symptoms usually appear suddenly, but are not followed by the chronic (long-lasting) problems that hepatitis B and C viruses can cause. The hepatitis B virus can infect a person if his or her mucous membranes or blood are exposed to an infected person's blood, saliva, semen, or vaginal secretions. Hepatitis C is spread by contact with the blood of an infected person. Symptoms appear more gradually than in hepatitis A. Unlike hepatitis A, the hepatitis B and C viruses can stay in the body--sometimes for a lifetime--and eventually cause chronic, serious liver diseases.


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Reply #39 Top
by what you have been saying

then colds and flus are stds becouse you can get them well having sex
Reply #40 Top
it's useless! Danielost already knows everything, we're all just a bunch of morons.


No, disect the name. Daniel Ost.

A refugee from East Germany.
Reply #42 Top
you two know what your are absolutly right the only ones who know anything on this blog are you two and col gene and sean

when ever anyone disagrees with you

you four start calling names

and if you think you can drive me off this site i would bring a lunch with you
Reply #43 Top
Danielost,

It was not about disagreeing with me. It was never about that.

Remember, you called me stupid before I said anything to you, you HYPOCRITE! Don't you EVER start with your self righteous CRAP when the truth is you do EXACTLY what you accuse others of.

I supported my position STRONGLY, daniel, YOU called me a liar. You basically asserted that everyone else in this country is misguided about the second amendment and that you found the only legitimate copy of the Bill of Rights in a library in San Francisco. You are a moron because you will not admit you are wrong even when presented with overwhelming proof.

I actually have seen you make some salient points, and could enjoy your conversation if you would simply admit when you are proven wrong. But you refuse to do that. You bring EVERYTHING you get on yourself.

As for "trying to run you off the site", don't make me laugh. I have MUCH better things to do with my time.

Reply #44 Top
(especially one with an iq of--gasp--130!!)


He claimed a 130 IQ? I missed that. Pissant!

They really oughtta make online IQ tests illegal. Too many people take them seriously!
Reply #45 Top
I'd be willing to bet you could toss a rock blindfolded and hit someone with an IQ over 130 here at JU anyway...
Reply #47 Top
As for "trying to run you off the site", don't make me laugh. I have MUCH better things to do with my time.


Right right and right. I hope he does not leave for the points you make. But he does need to get thicker skin.
Reply #48 Top
Like Hepatitis C,


this is not an std it is a poop desease although you might be able to get during sex


You do realize of course, you just made LW's point and made a fool of yourself at the same time?

How does someone get hepatitis?
The hepatitis A virus can enter a person's body when he or she eats or drinks something contaminated with the stool or blood of someone who has the disease. Symptoms usually appear suddenly, but are not followed by the chronic (long-lasting) problems that hepatitis B and C viruses can cause. The hepatitis B virus can infect a person if his or her mucous membranes or blood are exposed to an infected person's blood, saliva, semen, or vaginal secretions. Hepatitis C is spread by contact with the blood of an infected person. Symptoms appear more gradually than in hepatitis A. Unlike hepatitis A, the hepatitis B and C viruses can stay in the body--sometimes for a lifetime--and eventually cause chronic, serious liver diseases.



So then Hep C is NOT a poop virus!
Reply #49 Top

I'd be willing to bet you could toss a rock blindfolded and hit someone with an IQ over 130 here at JU anyway


Of course there would "always" be the odd man out. Like gene and his ilk. As a matter of fact, there would be others as well.
Reply #50 Top

Wassa matter "danielost"? Figure out you been stomped on and then ran away to hide? Instead of just admitting you were wrong and taking it like a man?