COL Gene

Time for Excess Profits Tax on Big Oil!

Time for Excess Profits Tax on Big Oil!



The price of gas is not something that can be ignored. The explanation from Big Oil is just not acceptable. They claim the spring maintenance is the reason for the highest gas prices ever in this Country. At the same time oil company profits continue to set new records.

With the obscene profits oil companies have received they have not built ANY new refineries in 20 years to deal with the supply issue they claim is why prices are high. It is time to simply tax away the increasing profits and use that tax revenue to build refineries, seek alternate energy and begin forcing solutions that BIG OIL will not resolve. All they want is to pay huge salaries to their top executives and make the stockholders happy while destroying every person and business in this country. The increase in gas prices is FAR worse then any tax increase because it is harms ALL Americans and ALL American Business. For any of the conservatives that wail against tax increases, it is time to stop the rape by Big Oil!
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Reply #51 Top
Sean

That is why the Federal Government MUST act to protect the American Family and American small business! Bush talks about how important small business is to our economy. The increase in gas is just about the worst thing that can happen to small business!!!
Reply #52 Top
That is why the Federal Government MUST act to protect the American Family and American small business! Bush talks about how important small business is to our economy. The increase in gas is just about the worst thing that can happen to small business!!!


i agree Gene, tho we might disagree on the specific acts, and what might be the most effective. i do thank you for starting the discussion tho, as it is important.

we have a lot of creative minds in this country, and it pains me to see that creativity neglected in this area. the most creative thing big oil has suggested is to drill up our alaskan wildlife preserves...meanwhile, our creative minds can get ultracreative when it comes to fenagling tax cuts for oneself and trying to get the fed to turn over trillions to the wall street fat cats.

until people see energy as a national security issue, as well as an opportunity to enter a new age of innovation where great profits will be reaped (just by different people maybe than are raking it in on oil as they protect their turf), and not some kooky left wing "greenpeace" movement, i'm afraid little will be done
Reply #53 Top
Sean

People in America wait until there is a major problem before we act. This is what will happen with Energy, Social Security, Medicare and the deficit. Border security will become a major issue if we are attacked again and they find the terrorists came across our unprotected border or brought weapons through our unprotected ports. WHY we can not learn to PREVENT a Fire rather then FIGHT the fire I do not understand! You are correct we do have some very intelligent people in this country!
Reply #54 Top
WHY we can not learn to PREVENT a Fire rather then FIGHT the fire I do not understand!


because our system of government and way of life primarily is not revolutionary. as andrew tobias, writer of the 1st book on investing i ever read back in the 80's wrote (para) we "muddle" ...meaning we slowly trudge along, making small incremental changes as we see fit. in other words , our way is "evolutionary." and that doesn't have anything to do with darwin vs. creationism, lol.

that system serves us well most of the time, but as some of history shows, it does fall short every once in awhile when a revolutionary call is more appropriate.

but even with shortcomings included,,,its still the best country ever.
Reply #55 Top
you put price caps on the oil companies they go away completely

you democrats keep screaming that we are not paying enough at the pumps and to prove your point other countries are paying up to 10 a gallon

so when the prices go up you cry fowl becouse the money isn't going into your pockets

so that you can control where it goes

the big oil companies are owned by investers who get payed to invest sure the more you have invested the more you get payed

Reply #56 Top
you democrats


dan, stop calling me a democrat.

you put price caps on the oil companies they go away completely


when did i suggest price caps or any of the other words you are trying to hijack into my mouth?

and btw...i am one of those investors. i am aware of how the game is played. lol
Reply #57 Top
That is HOW Big Oil rapes the American Public. They control the SUPPLY and thus are able to extort higher and higher prices and inflate their profits.


Actually as I have told you before the price of oil is set by speculators in the stock market not the oil companies. The speculators set the price that the oil companies have to pay for crude oil. If the environMENTAList had not stopped American oil companies from drilling in the US and stopped the oil refineries from being built and stopped the nuclear power plants from being built 30 years ago we would have cheap oil today. But the idiots that want to save the planet have not saved the planet and their silly ideas about global cooling, global warming, and global climate change have done nothing but make everything we eat drink or do more expensive with no positive results, only more predictions of doom and gloom.

Sean, environmental regulations prohibit new oil companies. To start a new oil company in the US you have to have access to oil, a refinery, and a distribution network.
With china buying all the oil they can afford they have driven the world price up, so buying it on the open market will doom the business before it starts. The company would then have to buy land with oil under it and drill, but that is hard to do in this country now days. So you can’t have competition because there is no access to oil.
If by some stroke of luck the new company found oil it could get out of the ground cheaper than buying it on the open market. It would need to refine that oil, without a refinery of its own it would have to pay for it to be refined like Iran does. What serious business person is going to refine oil for its competition without making up possible losses by jacking up the refinery costs to the new business? If the new company passed that hurtle then they would need to sell it to someone. Shell Oil Company is not going to buy it unless they have to. There are not enough independents left in the US to make it profitable.
When my family owned a gas station it was an independent and we had few choices as to where we could buy gas from. The oil companies set the price so we could never do much damage to their company owned stations; sure we could sell cheaper by a few cents but not by much. On top of that we were prohibited by law that says we could not make more than three cents per gallon sold and we could not sell at a loss. This means we could not gouge the customer and we could not drop the price too far.
If you want to know the price of gas just look at an independent dealer his price is set so he can’t make more than three cents per gallon subtract that amount and you have the price of gas. Subtract 87 cents and you have the price of gas less federal taxes. Subtract ten cents and you have the oil companies cut. One dollar a gallon feeds the whole system the cost of refining the fuel is about eight cents a gallon and the rest is local taxes.
There is no profit to be made starting a new oil company today. So there won’t be any competition in the oil business but there is competition in the battery business which is starting to replace gas as the fuel for cars. It would have come sooner but the nuclear power plants needed to make it profitable are not on line yet. Maybe in 50 years or so.
Reply #58 Top
Sean, environmental regulations prohibit new oil companies


maybe we don't need more new oil companies. maybe we need to do something to spur competition like what we did when we broke up at&t...which is probably more responsible for the PC boon than anything...even al gore, lol. maybe there 's a way we can break up some of these thinly disguised monopolies and that might actually get some competition going.

cause right now, the only competition going on are how many hot dogs you can get for 99 cents...or maybe a hotdog and soda (that's "pop" if one is in pittsburgh)

as far as the gas they are sellin,,,i don't see any real competition. that fix was in a long time before it ever hit their pumps.
Reply #59 Top
(Citizen)Sean Conners aka SConn1


when did i suggest price caps or any of the other words you are trying to hijack into my mouth?


you didn't the col has

don't know about any other state but the state of utah has a law that states the gas station owner has to make a 25% profit on the gas he/she/they sell
Reply #60 Top
dan, stop calling me a democrat.


i calls em as i see them
Reply #61 Top
the price of refined gas is set by the oil companies and the Oil Companies CONTROL the supply and the prices we pay.
Reply #62 Top
the price of refined gas is set by the oil companies and the Oil Companies CONTROL the supply and the prices we pay.


you might of gotten this one right

but all companies have a minimum profit that they will except so if the profit falls below that they raise prices

so if the price of a barral of oil is set in nyc then the price will reflect that becouse of the profit margin
Reply #64 Top
you need new glasses. i've been a registered libertarian for some time,,,since the 90's.


but you seem to be backing everything democrat
Reply #65 Top

you might of gotten this one right

but all companies have a minimum profit that they will except so if the profit falls below that they raise prices

so if the price of a barral of oil is set in nyc then the price will reflect that becouse of the profit margin



WHY should oil companies take their profit margin on the higher Crude oil prices? They have done NOTHING to earn that added profit. You will also find that is only PART of the reason for the increasing profit. They use the supply problem to cover the added crude cost, the profit % you talk about and then added more to further increase their profit. My solution of an excess profits tax would level they playing field and provide the capital to provide alternate energy production and ADD to the overall supply of energy which would shift from foreign oil dependence to U.S. Controlled production!
Reply #66 Top
CNN just had a story that said the price of Crude was higher last May then now. I went to the Web and found the price of Light Sweet Crude in May 2006 was in the Low $70 per barrel range. Today it is in the mid $65 per barrel range. Gas is about $.40 per gallon HIGHER. Thus gas price increases are NOT due to the higher margin on higher cost crude. Crude is LOWER and we should be seeing LOWER gas prices. As I said this is the OIL Companies controlling the SUPPLY of refined product relative to demand. Despite the fact that demand has been increasing the oil industry and the Bush administration has done NOTHING to increase supply. Bush also refused to require higher auto mileage which could have lowered the Demand. Competition and the free market IS NOT working in the oil industry. That is why we need government intervention to offset the harm the profiteering by Big Oil is doing to every person and business in America!
Reply #67 Top
My solution of an excess profits tax would level they playing field and provide the capital to provide alternate energy production and ADD to the overall supply of energy which would shift from foreign oil dependence to U.S. Controlled production!


your solution would do nothing but raise the price of oil

do you remember anwar the region in alaska that they wanted to pump the oil out of the ground.

the bear huggers got it stopped becouse it would hurt the polar bear.
in the 1960s the bear population is around 5000 today it is around 26,000

when they put in the old pipe line these wakos used the same arguments it would hurt the bear and the cariboo. guess what the cariboo numbers are up and the bear numbers are up.

oh and by the way anwar was set aside for the sole purpose of drilling and it is supposed to have as much oil as iraq

CNN


cnn is anti american


I said this is the OIL Companies controlling the SUPPLY of refined product relative to demand.


yep and right now and has been so for 5 years at least our refineries are pumping out as much gas as they can dispite the spring maintaince stuff. oh and we lost 1/3 of a refinery last year i think do to a fire.

and again out of that 75 cents a gallon that they get how much is going to pay wages, other costs, stock holders.

i know you forgot about the workers for those companies right


Reply #68 Top
LOL.  Yeah col, the federal government stepping in to nanny business will drive down gas prices. 

Don't go to McDonalds once a month, that will offset your gas prices.


Reply #69 Top
the bear huggers got it stopped becouse it would hurt the polar bear.
in the 1960s the bear population is around 5000 today it is around 26,000


The population of 20,000-25,000 polar bears has been shrinking. On the west coast of Hudson Bay in Canada, for example, there were an estimated 1200 polar bears in 1987, and 950 in 2007.[26]

In February 2005 the environmental group, Center for Biological Diversity, with support from American senator Joe Lieberman, petitioned the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), part of the Department of the Interior to use the Endangered Species Act and list the bears as a threatened species. [27]

Under United States law the FWS was required to respond to the petition within 90 days, [27] but in October 2005 after no reply had been received the Center for Biological Diversity threatened to sue the United States Government. On 14 December 2006 the Center for Biological Diversity along with Greenpeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council filed a lawsuit in California. [28]

On December 27, 2006, the United States Department of the Interior in agreement with the three groups proposed that polar bears be added to the endangered species list, the first change of this type to be attributed to global warming. It will take up to a year to make the final determination. [29] The Natural Resources Defense Council contends that though it is "a big step forward" the proposal fails to identify global warming pollution as the cause of rising Arctic temperatures and vanishing sea ice. In addition, it says the proposal offered by Dr. Rosa Meehan, Supervisor of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, does not designate any of the land discussed as the kind of habitat that is essential for the polar bear's survival as "critical habitat" that could help the bear recover. [30][31]

The World Conservation Union had already given polar bears threatened status in May 2006.[32]

WWW Link
Reply #70 Top
i just did me a search on oil profits
here is the link

WWW Link




Why are oil company profits so large?

Profits of major oil companies in 2005 and 2006 were considerably higher than in previous years. The big percentage increase helped support the impression that oil profits are excessive. But business analysts stress that other measures should be considered in assessing a company's or industry's profit picture. One important measure is profit margin – net income (profits) divided by sales. In the case of oil and gas companies, total sales consist of the money they receive from selling their products as well as revenue received from any other sources. Net income is the money left over after all costs and taxes are paid.

In recent years, oil profits generally have remained on a par with or slightly above those of other major industries. As the chart indicates, an analysis of data from 2000 through 2005 shows that the average profitability of oil and natural gas companies (5.9cents per dollar of sales)2 has been slightly above the profitability of all industries combined.

2 Not to be confused with profit margin on each gallon of gasoline sold, as described in the first question.

there is also a chart on that page comparing oil profits to other industries and on that chart comes in 6th place out of 7

i would put that chart here but i don't know how

and here is a pick and choose from that page as well

Shouldn't the government regulate oil profits?

A report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) that surveyed the events in the 25 years following the 1973-74 oil embargo concluded that federal price controls and allocations systems not only "failed to resolve these problems (electricity brownouts and rapidly rising prices), they seemed to aggravate them."


and it says that the majority of those huge profits are used to go out and find and drill for more oil.

so yes lets cut the profits from the oil companies so they can't find more resources

How do consumers know that oil companies aren’t price gouging?

The U.S. government has investigated gasoline prices about 30 times over the last 20 years but oil companies were never found to have “fixed” prices. Most recently, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) completed an exhaustive study of alleged market manipulation to increase gasoline prices in the weeks following Hurricane Katrina late last summer. The FTC report, released in May 2006, included these findings:


No evidence that refiners manipulated prices by running refineries below full production capacity, restricting gasoline production or diverting gasoline from the U.S. market to less lucrative foreign markets.
No evidence to suggest refinery expansion decisions over the past 20 years resulted from either unilateral or coordinated attempts to manipulate prices.
No evidence to suggest companies reduced inventories to increase or manipulate prices or exacerbate price spikes.
No situations that might allow one firm – or a small collusive group – to manipulate gasoline futures prices by using storage assets to restrict gasoline movements into New York Harbor, the key delivery point for gasoline.


i believe that the last 20 years also includes clinton
Reply #71 Top
oh and by the way anwar was set aside for the sole purpose of drilling and it is supposed to have as much oil as iraq


where do you get your info?

anwar has about 10 billion barrels (estimates between 5-15 billion)
WWW Link

iraq , only second to Saudi Arabia in total world reserves, currently owns approximately 112 billion barrels of oil
WWW Link

Reply #72 Top
(Citizen)Sean Conners aka SConn1


i think you missed the part where there was only 5,000 in the 60s and of course populations may be shrinking that is part of nature

the grass eaters increase in numbers becouse they have more food. this time it is due to the oil pipe line, it keeps the grass clear of snow and ice for the grass eaters. when their numbers grow to high for the amount of food some starve to death.


the prediters eat more grass eaters producing more young who eat more grass eaters.

so a year or so after the grass eater numbers start to fall the prediters numbers begin to fall becouse there is less food for them to eat

and when the grass eater numbers falls low enough so there is an excuse of food again their numbers go back up. the same with prediters.



and don't tell me this is strictly becouse of humans. according to science we have been here for 10,000 years and this life cycle has been going on for around 4.5 billion years. depending on who you listen to.

but at the moment the bear numbers are 5 times higher than in the 60s

if you two want to play the part of the fool that is good. i do it all the time. but dont challenge me becouse i will win in the end


and since bears can swim as well as seals and other sea/land animals they are not going to die from swimming 50 miles looking for ice.
Reply #73 Top
i also just looked up the number of oil companies in the united states

Pages in category "Oil companies of the United States"
There are 97 pages in this section of this category.

A
ARCO
Alyeska Pipeline Service Company
Amoco
Amsoil
Anadarko Petroleum Corporation
Apache Corp.
Arbusto Energy
Ashland Inc.
B
Baker Hughes
Betelgeuse incident
Buckeye Pipe Line
Burlington Resources
C
Cabot Oil
Calibre Energy
Caltex
Cenex
Chemoil
Chevron Corporation
Circle K
Citgo
Colonial Pipeline
Conoco Inc.
D
Devon Energy
E
EOG Resources
Energen
Energen Resources Corporation
Enterprise Products
Equitable Resources
Ergon (US)
Esso
Exxon
ExxonMobil
F
Frontier Oil
G
Gate Petroleum
Getty Oil
Giant Industries
Global Partners LP
GlobalSantaFe Corporation
Gulf Oil
H
Harken Energy
Havemeyer Oil Company
Hess Corporation
Hornbeck Offshore Services
Hunt Petroleum
K
Kaiser-Francis Oil
Kerr-McGee
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners
Koch Industries
L
Lion Oil
M
Marathon Oil
Marathon Petroleum Company
Marland Oil Company
Merit Energy Company
Mobil
Motiva Enterprises
Murphy Oil
N
NOCO Energy Corporation
O
Occidental Petroleum
P
Panda Energy International
Paramount Petroleum
Parker Drilling Company
Pennzoil
Petrohawk
Petroleum Geo-Services
Pilot Corp.
P cont.
Pilot Travel Centers
Plains All American Pipeline
Prisma Energy International
R
Rentech
Rockefeller family
S
STP (motor oil company)
Saga Petroleum LLC
Samson Investment Company
SemGroup
Seven Sisters (oil companies)
Shamrock Oil
Shell Oil Company
Sinclair Oil
Speedway SuperAmerica
Standard Oil of Louisiana
Starvin' Marvin's
Sunoco
Superior Energy Services
Syntroleum
T
Taylor Energy
Terrible Herbst
Tesoro
Texaco
Trans-Arabian Pipeline Company
TransMontaigne
Transocean
U
Unocal Corporation
V
VECO Corporation
Vacuum Oil Company
Valero Energy Corporation
W
Williams Companies
X
XTO Energy

i do believe that 97 companies are a lot of companies yes i am sure that some of them are owned by others
Reply #74 Top


“Pages in category "Oil companies of the United States"
There are 97 pages in this section of this category.”


A Few large OIL Companies control the supply and the retail prices. Please explain if Crude Oil prices are lower this year why is the price of Gas $.40 per gallon higher? The Bottom Line is that higher gas prices harm the economy, the individual and small business. The ONLY one that wins from the higher gas prices is BIG OIL. Not the neighborhood station operator! If the oil companies knew increased profits would be taxed away they would NOT increases prices in order to increase their profits just to cover higher costs! The excess profits tax revenue would then be invested in Solar, Wind, Bio Energy etc. that would benefit the country at large!
Reply #75 Top
please explain to me why you mad at the oil profiteers and not the computer profiteers they make more money than big oil does

or electical equipment makers, or beverages and tobacco, or the medical industries

don't respond if your not even going to bother looking up the link

becouse it wouldn't be fare for me to have all this info and you be to stupid to look at it

in fact food has gone up more than oil


i know your going to tell me that we have to buy gas but not food

and i think you missed the part where when the government tried to do price controls on gas in the 70s IT HURT THE CONSUMER