America's witch hunt

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Some months ago, I started an argument on this forum about America's actual witch-hunt of any people who could remotely not be on their side, and I compared it with McCarthy's commi hunt.

People argued back that nobody has lossed their job over it, but I pointed them many cases of people working in Canadian business who have contract with the American Army who could not work, and lossed their job because they have dual-citizenship with Venezuela, Iran, Syria, etc... (in the Article I cited, it was Venezuela. But the list of forbidden countries is much more long)

I replied saying that it is their right to have dual-citizenship, and America should not question Canada's choice about it. They replied that if they wanted to be "true canadian", they would not hesitate to reject their previous citizenship.

Isn't that a little stupid to think that asking people to reject their previous citizenship will make them safer to work on sensitive equipment?

I mean.. let me quote Dr Sidney Freedman, in M*A*S*H:

Cnl Flagg: I warn you, Freedman, I can blow the whistle on you: you never signed your oath of allegiance

Dr Freedman: Let me ask you something.. If I really was a commi spy, do you think I'd hesitate a second signing it?


The point being, if a Venezuellan agent really manage to get into Canada, to study to become an aeronautic or electronic specialist, manage to get hired by Bell Helicopter, and manage to get assigned on American's equipement (on which he could do nothing more than minor damage), he will consider for a second ruining 15 years of his assignement because he doesn't want to renounce dual-citizenship?

If that is the extent of your security, no wonder Americans doesn't feel safe. But that kind of security is superflous, and make good people loose their job over a stupid rule that won't do the job it's intended to do.

Would a terrorist announce that he come from Iran, simply because he's still proud of his country?
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

The point being, if a Venezuellan agent really manage to get into Canada, to study to become an aeronautic or electronic specialist, manage to get hired by Bell Helicopter, and manage to get assigned on American's equipement (on which he could do nothing more than minor damage), he will consider for a second ruining 15 years of his assignement because he doesn't want to renounce dual-citizenship?


Point IS, that it's the US Army policy! If they don't like it then they don't have to do business with the US! Here in the states if they have dual citizenship they can't even get a job with Bell.

And just as an aside....why are you, a non-US citizen of the US complaining about OUR internal policies?
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Some months ago, I started an argument on this forum about America's actual witch-hunt of any people who could remotely not be on their side, and I compared it with McCarthy's commi hunt.


The comment DOES show a glaring lack of understanding of McCarthyism. McCarthy was picking apart US CITIZENS, tracking them down, having neighbours inform on them. The war on drugs or the CPS hysteria is far more analogous to McCarthyism than denying contracts to dual citizens. Both happened long before Bush took office.

I believe that when tax dollars are spent, they should be spent in the jurisdiction of the taxing district, when possible. Texas state construction jobs, for instance, should go to Texas contractors and so forth. That's not a witch hunt; that's just good business.

I, too don't like the direction in which our country is headed, but there are enough REAL issues to focus on that we would be best avoiding red herrings.

That's just my two cents. If you ask me, you overpaid!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
America's actual witch-hunt of any people who could remotely not be on their side,


A witch hunt is where you go after people, not when people come to you. The rules are the rules (much like if you Work for microsoft, you do not publicly trash them - is that a witch hunt?).

He has a choice. And a zillion other companies to work for. And at each and every one, he has to play by their rules. That is not a witch hunt. It is called a condition of employment. Kind of like - convicted sex offenders cannot be teachers (another witch hunt I am sure).
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
And at each and every one, he has to play by their rules


correction. It wasn't Bell's policy, it was the US Army's

And the whole work was made in Canadian ground. So I'd consider the US Army out of their juridiction about picking employers.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
correction. It wasn't Bell's policy, it was the US Army's


Correction. It is Bell's policy. No one forced them to bid on army contracts. You seem to have a problem with personal responsibility.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
And at each and every one, he has to play by their rules


correction. It wasn't Bell's policy, it was the US Army's

And the whole work was made in Canadian ground. So I'd consider the US Army out of their juridiction about picking employers.


Sorry but you are dead WRONG! Bell signed an agreement with the US government to make certain things. Things that are sensitive to the US's national security. Hence the agreement. The US was only looking after our national security. If you can't see that then you need to get a better pair of glasses.