hold off? as in retreat and give the germans 1/2 of their territory?
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just stop now, please?

how is communist russia's dead a failure of democracy? because we Americans didnt feel like making another sacrafice for "backwards" "war-torn" Europe?

true, America's vision of a steel fortress is a bit of a paradigm, but it is a well suited one. just look at our history.

as for the collapse of Democracy; exactly what, do you propose, would cause that? I cant think of anything.

and I'm a three headed ping pong ball.
what has been around for "so long" (250 years... that is nothing at all)

first of all, give an example.

second of all; the point of democracy is to create a bunch of competing powers, all in various balanced alliances so that no one dictator can emerge. that is the purpose of it. I think you need to go study a bit of government theory.

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tell me you didnt say that.
Albert Eistein; absolute genius, arrogant bastard.

um...
that means you misread what I meant.

there is certainly a heirarchy to it, but fortunately its a thousand-piered heirarchy with branches growing and falling daily. this means that there is opportunity for those with the skill and yes, the drive, to take it.

Thats why the first chance I get, I am moving away somewhere actually not so depressing.



Your an idiot, dont talk about what happened in that war. First off Germany was under a treaty of no agression so we were taken by surprise. Secondly we did hold them off while the British and the Americans finished planning the all so important D-day while more and more Russian civilians died in Moscow and Petersburg.

And please, how is Easter Europe in any way half of the Soviet Unions territory



Yes, you started it in the first place. Who was it that refused to get involved earlier in WWI, who was it that suggested that Germany be forced to pay its debts? Who was it that refused to join the League of Nations and help implement it into a stronger system?

I wasnt blaiming the US, I was blaiming democracy and people in general. It has been shown over and over again that the population would rather have the gifts of a dictator than the shallow promises of a Republic.

You suffered the least out of all the allies, and that is why you were an ocean away. In a certain cynical way, I am glad that this country finally has fear for it safety.



Capatalism has existed for close to a thousand years.

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Hm... lets see shall we.

Caeser, Napoleon, Hitler.. shall I continue?

I think you need to look at history, a Democracy only succeeds if it is led well and remain and independent body from influences of bussiness and media. All I see now are campaign funds, red tape, and pork.



I said charisma, Eistein was a good speaker and his arrogance is what truely made his theory believable. He believed in it and he made sure others did as well.

In the end if he was introverted we would have never even heard of his theories.

I never said the person had to have personality, just will and whim.



Your use of ellipsis is suspended pending further notice.



How is 1% of the populous owning 1/3 of the wealth, and therefore the power, even remotely balanced. I dont see big bussiness falling everywhere instead its growing, and it seems that the heartless and the most eco-unfriendly are winning. Take Exxon for exmaple.

well yes and no, I see what you're saying and that ties into my other point, it's possible to succeed, but the country still has an elite ruling class, it's hard to get into that class.

I agree, Russia did most of the work in WWII, but still, i doubt it could have been won without the US (lend-lease anyone?)
when people say that Russia won WWII, that's fundamentaly wrong, they did most of the work, but the United States won the War, we came out the most ahead of any nation (if you disagree, i'd be glad to list the reasons why)



interesting point, we as average citizens don't know enough to truly judge (IMO), but it does seem that companies are gaining increasing power.




since we're looking at history, Democracy doesn't work. There you go. (we don't know enough about the Germanic Democracy for us to use it as evidence on either side of this argument, so don't )

How about we say each ally was important(except for France ) in winning the war. I dont think it would have happened if any of them backed out.



You guys never said I couldnt

Very.. um... eloquent come back

germany was reving its engines for ages. there was absolutely NO surprise factor.

yes, but you had to rely on your enemy's lack of supplies, and even then russia had one hell of a problem at stalingrad.

poland, belarus and Ukraine, all under the soviet union (or very large parts anyhow) during the invasion.

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WHOA!!!

talk about wrong...
first of all, woodrow wilson fought the movement to "make germany pay", britain is the one that forced it.
we did avoid ww1, but thats because it was at that time, "your problem". something that we frankly had little reason to get involved in.
did britain send its army half way around the world to fight for another country? no. (not including its colonies)
and the majority of the US supported the League of Nations, unfortunately the rift between the "accept as is"ers and the "change it a little"ers allowed a big gap for the "no, screw this"ers to make the treaty fail.

do we really though? the biggest fear we have now is the VA shooting. 9/11 forced a paradigm shift that once again, has kept us safe

look at how we argue taht we should get out of Iraq, not for "our" safety, but for the safety of our troops "over there". nobody in this country is truly afraid of foreign military jack. a little worried, but not afraid. I think you should look back to soviet times, see what happened then and as about the "finally" part.

people who disposed of democracy you twit.

he debased everything in quantum mechanics, believing it was all bull. he was good at dispersing his papers, but he did not have charisma.

this is a gross misrepresentation. do you understand why those people have 1/3 of the wealth of the US? its because they have half a brain to save it up. that portion doesnt include wealthy rich actors and actresses who spend their money like paper, its little john down the street who is actually a millionare, but you dont know it.

people not in the 1%, if they have an income of a skilled and dedicated laborer (i.e. not someone unskilled, like you laundromat, or someone undedicated who never gets promoted) then its a big part their fault. of course its not mostly their fault, but it is a big part.

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well it should be, thats what drives the ideals of the nation. of course the upper classes do abuse their power, but thats something kindof hard to fix, and that happens everywhere. not just in capitalism.

they did a lot of the work in Europe. but still, many victories were due to American input. and if it wasnt for America, Russia would have been easily overrun (due to Germany being able to concentrate on one front) because the otehr allies were on the brink of collapse (or already collapsed, *cough* france *cough*)

but thats such a terrible way to do it. America's Democracy is completely different from say, Rome's.

true.
Britain; bastion of defense, allowed Normandy to occur, did a lot of N. Africa
Russia; Eastern force, driving power from the East... um... (dont know how to word it much more eloquently)
America; comeback for the West, Stopper of the East (japan!) and liberator of much of the West.

people are stupid, Leaving Iraq is idiotic for numerous reasons, unfortunately because this is a democracy, all those idiotic hippies are anti-war

ALSO, people in this country should be worrying about the rest of the world's military etc. we seem to believe the United States is a given, and will continue on indefinately, but if anything, it's Twilight in America as i see it. In the way that all great Empires fall (and believe me, the United States is an Empire, even if not in the literal sense), the United States seems to be having some trouble. I hate to be one of those people who is a nay sayer but doesn't offer any ways of fixing things, but I don't know how to stop it.


I'm not anti capitalism, far from it, although in a perfect world Communism would be nice, as would capitalism with a kind and benevolent ruling class, but things don't work that way.
anyway let me rephrase that, "You're not getting into the elite ruling class , period." you can get close, (i don't consider the average Senator part of the ruling class FYI, anyone can attain that if they work hard enough) such as to the Senate, but you'll never really get into the ruling class.

I beg to differ, American democracy will not succeed in the long run

I think the most successful form of government will come once we have found a way to achieve nearly eternal life, as well as spread out to other planets,a republic like system with the eternal "Emperor" leading it. But we'll get to that when it comes , and if it's like any other form of government, it sounds good in theory but doesn't work so well in practice.

It is true that leaving Iraq is desastorous, for our PR at least. But, staying there is equally, if not more, worse. I think this country should have been a litte more careful. Its quite obvious that the rest of the world will probably leave us alone. We have lost many of our allies.



You can try

Its just like the economy will expand forever theory. Or social security reform.

It will be over exceded by the much better parlimentary republican form. I like that one much better.

Um wrong.

We were able to hold them back without you guys. We werent able to push them back, but we were able to hold them back.

We payed the higher price in my opinion.

you see the light!!!

another angel gets her wings.

it takes years for empires to fall. they dont collapse, they crumble.
of course, then follows a recessional period of several hundred years, and then as soon as the crazy radicals (the church, the roman politicians, the emps) leave, things return to another not-so-golden age.

there are few countries with the capacity to even support an attempt at our waters, our missile defense net (which is getting more and more accurate with newer missiles, the new missile boasts a 99.5% hit rate) is causing that number to shrink. my only issue is that China likes to attack our markets through concentrated subsidizing (take the steel market for example), unfortunately they cant do enough fast enough before McDonalds takes over their country... but what can you do?

"if man was perfect, there would be no need for government"
thats all I have to say about that. well, that and that:
nobody is perfect, you stary-eyed commy so stop blaming human perfections for government's failure. its Marx's fault he didnt do a bit of better envisioning of how people react. Founding fathers (madison!) did much better in that respect.

what do you define as "American Democracy"? if you mean the visions of the founding fathers, thats been dead for ages now, how about Roosevelt's vision? gone. Clinton's, out with yesterday's paper. the thing about "American Democracy" is that special little "as nescessary" clause in the constitution, it evolves faster than its needs do. so yes, "America Democracy" will not remain the same, even for a few years from now, but the Democracy of America will survive.

as does the part about eternal life. can you say overpopulation? your "perfect" government will include mass hysteria, ratial baisses, mass segregation and genocide. dont go there.

like? France?
hah.

9/11 speaks to the contrary.

parliment. I'm sure that sounds so much better. especially because there are almost no differences between the two.

because guess what, the allies were giving hitler the real fight. the forces he sent to moscow were maybe a piece of what was taking the rest of Europe.
Dont flatter yourself, Russia was in pieces even after the initial assaults. the only thing that allowed Russia to bounce back were its slanted-armor tanks. thats pretty much it.

you never payed attention to the little thing called Japan, did you.
Russia had some of the largest difficulties in Europe, its numbers were several times that of America and her Allies. but guess what; that was because of the wasteful kill-all-my-men-if-you-wish,-I-will-always-have-more tactics that russia chose. but in the end it is America that accomplished the most, not only did we weaken Germany and take back huge expanses of Europe, we also traversed a quarter of the planet, island hopping, to stop the "dog of the east," japan.

and because I now that I'm now gonna be blamed for "belittling the accomplishments of Russia" let me rephrase:
Russia is the nation that, if every nation selected one single thing they did to fight Germany in WWII, using themselves as a meatshield would win. that one accomplishment of Russia was the most pivotal action of any Nation. however, that is about all that Russia did, sacrafice land and men in a strategy devoid of any higher level thinking. throwing men into the fire is hardly a way to win wars, if it wasn't for America coming in while Russia was, nobly, taking blows then we would all now probably be speaking in a pseudo-german dialect.

True, I see this in our future (hell it has already started in some ways, we have too much competition in the world, things arn't looking good for US (haha) economicaly), but it's still a long way off, one of my goals in life is to find a way to reverse this, but we'll see


i didn't actually mean militarily on our boarders, can you say "cold war"? |People need to realize that war and conflict is neccesarry for our country to survive, or it wont

please, learn some Physics, if we are able to reach the stars (at which point we will have unimaginable technological prowess), overpopulation = not a problem, and i'm not sure where the others come into play...





THANK you

If it keeps the public happy... no wait what am I saying
Wrong again

He took most of Europe and then broke the treaty with Russia.



We were taken off guard, our nation was supposed to stay neutral. We were never ready and most of our forces were lost because Germany at the time of the invasion had a great amount of scientific advantage. Loss of life was inevitable, the amount that was lost is due to poor organization.


Hm... and maybe the sacrifice of twenty million.

I wouldnt expect an American to know what true sacrifice is anyways.



True, nobody is perfect.

In my opinion its not about being perfects, its about trying to actually improve.

yes, despite having the worlds largest markets by a buffer of over 30%. things are going great for America, I dont see where you're getting this from.

cold war requires a dual and equal capacity to ruin each other. no other nation has that.
and I dont see where you believe war and conflict are in any way nescessary for the continuation of the nation.

space is not an issue, its the resources. if you have eternal life you will have more and more people on your hands than any number of planets could support. that is a physical impossibility
how about you meditate on the logistics of your strategy? hm?

your welcome.

he took a few smaller countries for his "lebensraum," not in any immaginable way "most of" Europe. thats a real laugh.

so the invasion of poland was neutral?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Poland
ah, you mean the non-agression pact. well I dont even think stalin believed germany would stop after that, so I doubt highly that it was "off guard"

anyway you had a lot of forces on your western border, so its still not a viable excuse.

you admit it!

thats what bought them time, not victory

because we go in with strategy, I know its a new concept, its only been around since... well... so damn far back nobody knows.

improve on what? just trying to improve will not make Marx's failed concepts any less... failed.
you see, theres a reason Marx used this idea as philosophy. because it could never work in real life and he knew that

Haha, yep, at that time we were.


He is right, we are falling from the world market.



Ahem... I can think of two, they just arent doing it yet.



He said 'near eternal', or did you once again overlook a small word just for the point of arguement.



Thank you for proving my point



Same thing was said about Democracy and the concept of revolution.

our GDP continues to expand (not at a massive rate, but at what is currently very good for stability) our unemployment is in the perfect range of what is ideal, and our dow jones is doing just fine

we aren't having any economic issues. the inflation a few years back sparked our economy.

Russia, the torn country that doesnt know where its stockpile has gone? or China, the nation of almost no military technology? or how about Europe, land of lets-have-america-do-our-dirty-work.

there isnt a single country out there capable of opposing the great American war machine.

whats "near eternal", and besides that would only exacerbate growth.
there simply isnt a way around it, extended lifespans of several thousand years will tax our entire universe faster than you would believe.

thats why we dont use pure democracy, its why theres such thing as representative democracy.
We dont live in a perfect world, so we dont use a "perfect" system. and look where we are!

At the controlling hands of media giants with a compelete imbecile as a president and a Congress so divided you can almost say that the countries on the verge of a political war.




GDP goes up in any industrialized country, it isnt anything amazing.



China has the capacity to make significant nuclear advancement in less then a decade.

While Russia public opinion is leaving way for the politicians to spend more and more on the military budget. What I find a bit hallarious is that even after we fell apart our airforce is still better then any other countries.

no no, the average person would die, i just meant one leader, because the main problem of a successful dicatatorship is continually finding a capable ruler.


naw uh
lol, China has too much power in the world market, if it just decided to kick American countries out (possible), or hell, what if it governmentalised the factories they have there? we would be fucked





Doesn't matter, the leader would be the only one (I realise there would still be problems, but i consider this our best hope)

May I ask if you have ever heard of Warhammer 40k?



The world is nationalized. And China doesnt have many factories here, Japan on the other hand does.

ah, and if osama or saddam are to get this...

they do not have that much power. we have more than 30% more of the world's market than they do, that tactic would be absolute suicide. especially considering that Europe would probably back us up, which puts us at 260% china's markets.

besides, China cannot call in its debts, as the time has not expired on any of them.

thank you Emp

Well technically, seeing as most of the GDP generated by our companies come at part from foreign centers that data is partially unreliable.

But, it would be suicide for China to do something like that. The US and China are buddies, not to mention the fact that they are the biggest trade partners in te world.



Your welcome.

And please, call me Emperor

yes, but that factor is not significant when dealing on our scales.

pff.

yeah.

Dont pff, at me.

I know that deep down, its just your jelousy speaking