ONLY 50% of Iraqi Troops are reporting to Baghdad Surge



The Pentagon has admitted that only ½ of the added Iraq Forces sent as part of this new surge are reporting for duty. This is down from 85% that reported for duty when the surge started about a month ago. This clearly shows that the Iraqi Government is NOT keeping the promises they made as part of the so called NEW Bush plan in Iraq. The time has come to turn the fighting in Iraq over to the Iraqi Military and police. If they choose not to control the sectarian violence it will be because they failed to take responsibility for their country. We have removed Saddam, Trained their Military and Trained their Police. Our job is DONE. Time to declare that we achieved what we set out to do and redeploy some of our troops to U. S. Bases and some to Afghanistan to finish the job in that country!
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I have checked ABC,CNN, MSNBC and a pile of .gov sites. Along with Google, and can find nothing. Do you have a source for this besides your say-so? Or is it just most made up BS?
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drmiler

TRY CNN WOLF Blitzer Late Edition! It was on about 30 minutes ago.

How did you like the Comptroller General article I posted that you requested?
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General Petraeus The US military commander in Iraq says there are grounds for optimism over the latest security drive. Gen David Petraeus told the BBC that with two out of the five extra brigades now on the ground in Iraq, there had been fewer sectarian attacks.

He said he would have an idea of the chance of success once all extra troops were deployed in the coming months.


Gloom and doom! 
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IslandDog

That does not change what was reported they only 1/2 of the promised Iraqi Forces are showing up in Baghdad. The real test will be when we leave Iraq. Will the violence continue and even get worse. What we are doing does not change the struggle between the factions in Iraq and will not alter what is a Civil War for the control of Iraq!
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Well, if Wolf Blitzer says so it must be true despite the complete lack of reports of the same from any news outlet whatsoever! You really crack me up. I love good humor.
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drmiler

TRY CNN WOLF Blitzer Late Edition! It was on about 30 minutes ago.


Sorry but I have searched the "entire" CNN site and (yes I'm a registered member) found nothing to back up your claim. So until I can see it....I think it's BS! And like Mason said it "must" be so even without corroborating reports from ANY other source.

And as far as this goes...

How did you like the Comptroller General article I posted that you requested?


I'll tell you the "same" thing I said on your other thread:


You gave me something that is 2 YEARS out of date! This is 2007 NOT 2004! When you can show me where he has said it lately, then I'll believe. Until then this is BS!
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Well, if Wolf Blitzer says so it must be true despite the complete lack of reports of the same from any news outlet whatsoever


actually boys,,,this was reported in early feb. ...people are just starting to notice as the problem continues.

here's an exerpt ...Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff nominee and outgoing top commander in Iraq, said during his confirmation hearing yesterday that the Iraqi units sent as part of the surge are operating at about 55 to 65 percent strength.

full article...(and i assume the chicago tribune is "MSM" enough for everyone)...WWW Link

by teh way, that took 1 google with the phrase "50% of iraq troops not showing up" typed in. more interesting was the link right below the top tribune link which had this to say in 2004...

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.

"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, 'Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.'"

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed
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yeah, sure it was...



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drmiler

You gave me something that is 2 YEARS out of date! This is 2007 NOT 2004! When you can show me where he has said it lately, then I'll believe. Until then this is BS. Well then how do you explain that he said the same thing last week on 60 Minutes and yesterday on CNN? You are the one FULL OF BS!
You just do not like what Mr. Walker had to say about your George!
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yesterday on CNN?


No, as usual you're the one who's full of it. I "told" you I searched the ENTIRE CNN site and found ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back up what you're saying. So until then it's BS!
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Well, if Wolf Blitzer says so it must be true despite the complete lack of reports of the same from any news outlet whatsoever


actually boys,,,this was reported in early feb. ...people are just starting to notice as the problem continues.

here's an exerpt ...Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff nominee and outgoing top commander in Iraq, said during his confirmation hearing yesterday that the Iraqi units sent as part of the surge are operating at about 55 to 65 percent strength.

full article...(and i assume the chicago tribune is "MSM" enough for everyone)...WWW Link

by teh way, that took 1 google with the phrase "50% of iraq troops not showing up" typed in. more interesting was the link right below the top tribune link which had this to say in 2004...

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.

"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, 'Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.'"

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed.

yeah, sure it was...


Did you happen to notice this on the bottom of the page?


“They're not at the level we would like them to be total strength-wise, but they are showing up on the time they said they would,” Pace said.


And just an FYI...it looks like CNN is the "only" half way crecible source saying this. Kind of makes you wonder. And using "your" search parameters in Google, CNN is the only current one. One other thing...the source you cited while it may be part of the Tribune, it's actually a "blog"! Check your url.....
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/iraqi_troops_no.html
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“They're not at the level we would like them to be total strength-wise, but they are showing up on the time they said they would,” Pace said.


Funny how folks seem to miss those little points eh?
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yeah, and in 2004 the pentagon claimed the problems at walter reed had "been fixed."


I wouldn't start on that one if I were you. The col did and was "quickly" shown to be as wrong as could be.
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yeah, and in 2004 the pentagon claimed the problems at walter reed had "been fixed."


And I think you missed this part SC...

And just an FYI...it looks like CNN is the "only" half way crecible source saying this. Kind of makes you wonder. And using "your" search parameters in Google, CNN is the only current one. One other thing...the source you cited while it may be part of the Tribune, it's actually a "blog"! Check your url.....
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/iraqi_troops_no.html



Doesn't that make it kind of unconfirmable?
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“They're not at the level we would like them to be total strength-wise,


yeah mason,,,funny...why are you arguing with me? the problem is iraqi soldiers not showing up for duty, which has been reported in various forms for years...not people realizing it and reporting it.

And just an FYI...it looks like CNN is the "only" half way crecible source saying this. Kind of makes you wonder. And using "your" search parameters in Google, CNN is the only current one. One other thing...the source you cited while it may be part of the Tribune, it's actually a "blog"! Check your url.....
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/iraqi_troops_no.html


it's the CHICAGO TRIBUNE WASHINGTON BUREAU folks...not just some off the rack "blog"

the reporter, Aamer Madhani, is a correspondent for them.

the quote came from senate testimony from his confirmation hearing.

everything above is verifiable and confirmable. poo-pooing it because the web address has the word "blog" in it is shallow...i figured some would fall for that, i just didn't think ya'll would do it so hard and fast.

yeah, and in 2004 the pentagon claimed the problems at walter reed had "been fixed."


I wouldn't start on that one if I were you. The col did and was "quickly" shown to be as wrong as could be.


excuse me? everything at walter reed is Aok? LMFAO!!!!!







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excuse me? everything at walter reed is Aok? LMFAO!!!!!


Keep right on laughing funny man....Bethesda is already on line and able to take WRH excess (since it's supposed to be WRH's replacement). That is since WRH is scheduled to close. So go ahead and yuk it up.


"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, 'Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.'"


That "is" what the VA is for in the first place.
Did you by "any" chance at all, catch this? I'll bet you didn't.


At a Pentagon briefing this morning, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, acknowledged the problem. Gates said that the high absenteeism is related to the almost non-existent Iraqi banking system in Iraq, which forces soldiers to go back to their hometowns to deliver their checks to their families.


In case you didn't know...establishing a banking system is "not" a problem for the US. That's an Iraqi only problem. So it isn't as the col thinks that they just aren't showing because they're afraid or have no confidence in what they're doing. As a matter of fact far from it. You're as bad as the col.
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dremiler

You are a LIAR. I saw the report this on CNN Late Addition TODAY.

Now CNN has another article about the $850 Billion dollar trade deficit and the fact it is DESTROYING our economy. The biggest problem is with China who is also the largest foreign purchaser of our debt! Bush is the one that approved China to be added to the WTO and has expanded the FAILED Trade Policy that Clinton started. Why kind of an idiot would expand a trade policy that failed for the 8 preceding years and double the size of the trade deficit.
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drmiler

You gave me something that is 2 YEARS out of date! This is 2007 NOT 2004! When you can show me where he has said it lately, then I'll believe. Until then this is BS! YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD. I just told you Mr. Walker was on 60 Minutes last week and interviewed on CNN yesterday. That is in March 2007 you IDIOT!
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Drmiler:

Here is a March 4, 2007 atricle. You are a putz!

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?

March 4, 2007
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(CBS) When the stock market plunges like it did this week, everyone pays attention. The man you're about to meet says hardly anyone is paying attention to what really threatens our financial future. Like an Old Testament prophet, David Walker has been traveling the country, urging people to "wake up before it's too late."
But David Walker is no wild-eyed zealot. As Steve Kroft reports, David Walker is an accountant, the nation’s top accountant to be exact, the comptroller general of the United States. He has totaled up our government's income, liabilities, and future obligations and concluded the numbers simply don’t add up. And he’s not alone. Its been called the "dirty little secret everyone in Washington knows" – a set of financial truths so inconvenient that most elected officials don’t even want to talk about them, which is exactly why David Walker does.


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"I would argue that the most serious threat to the United States is not someone hiding in a cave in Afghanistan or Pakistan but our own fiscal irresponsibility," Walker tells Kroft.

David Walker is a prudent man and a highly respected public official. As comptroller general of the United States he runs he Government Accountability Office, the GAO, which audits the government's books and serves as the investigative arm of the U.S. Congress. He has more than 3,000 employees, a budget of a half a billion dollars, and a message he considers urgent.

"I'm going to show you some numbers…they’re all big and they’re all bad," he says.

So bad, that Walker has given up on elected officials and taken his message directly to taxpayers and opinion makers, hoping to shape the debate in the next presidential election.

"You know the American people, I tell you, we've been to 13 cities outside of Washington with the fiscal wake up tour. They are absolutely starved for two things: the truth, and leadership," Walker says.

He calls it a fiscal wake up tour, and he is telling civic groups, university forums and newspaper editorial boards that the U.S. has spent, promised, and borrowed itself into such a deep hole it will be unable to climb out if it doesn’t act now. As Walker sees it, the survival of the republic is at stake.
"What’s going on right now is we’re spending more money than we make…we’re charging it to credit card…and expecting our grandchildren to pay for it. And that’s absolutely outrageous," he told the editorial board of the Seattle Post Intelligencer. You have heard this before, from Ross Perot 15 years ago. You might have even thought the problem had been solved, when President Clinton announced, "Tonight, I come before you to announce that the federal deficit … will be simply zero."

"Well, those days are gone. We've gone from surpluses to huge deficits and our long range situation is much worse," Walker says.

"President Bush would argue that the economy is in pretty good shape, unemployment is down, the deficit is actually less than expected," Kroft remarks.

"The fact is, is that we don't face an immediate crisis. And, so people say, 'What's the problem?' The answer is, we suffer from a fiscal cancer. It is growing within us. And if we do not treat it, it could have catastrophic consequences for our country," Walker replies.

The cancer, Walker says, are massive entitlement programs we can no longer afford, exacerbated by a demographic glitch that began more than 60 years ago-- a dramatic spike in the fertility rate called the "baby boom."

Beginning next year, and for 20 years thereafter, 78 million Americans will become pensioners and medical dependents of the U.S. taxpayer.

"The first baby boomer will reach 62 and be eligible for early retirement of Social Security January 1, 2008. They'll be eligible for Medicare just three years later. And when those boomers start retiring in mass, then that will be a tsunami of spending that could swamp our ship of state if we don't get serious," Walker explains.

To illustrate their impact, he uses a power point presentation to show what would happen in 30 years if the U.S. maintains its current course and fulfills all of the promises politicians have made to the public on things like Social Security and Medicare.

What would happen in 2040 if nothing changes?

"If nothing changes, the federal government's not gonna be able to do much more than pay interest on the mounting debt and some entitlement benefits. It won't have money left for anything else – national defense, homeland security, education, you name it," Walker warns.

Walker says you could eliminate all waste and fraud, and the entire Pentagon budget and the long range financial projections barely change, in what's shaping up as an actuarial nightmare.

Part of the problem, Walker acknowledges, is that there won't be enough wage earners to support the benefits of the baby boomers. "But the real problem, Steve, is health care costs. Our health care problem is much more significant than Social Security," he says.

Asked what he means by that, Walker tells Kroft, "By that I mean that the Medicare problem is five times greater than the Social Security problem."

The problem with Medicare, Walker says, is people keep living longer, and medical costs keep rising at twice the rate of inflation. But instead of dealing with the problem, he says, the president and the Congress made things much worse just three years ago when they expanded the Medicare program to include prescription drug coverage. "The prescription drug bill was probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s," Walker argues.

Asked why, Walker says, "Well, because we promise way more than we can afford to keep. Eight trillion dollars added to what was already a 15 to $20 trillion under-funding. We're not being realistic. We can't afford the promises we've already made, much less to be able, piling on top of 'em."

With one stroke of the pen, Walker says, the federal government increased existing Medicare obligations nearly 40 percent over the next 75 years. "We’d have to have eight trillion dollars today, invested in treasury rates, to deliver on that promise," Walker explains.

Asked how much we actually have, Walker says, "Zip."

So where's that money going to come from?

"Well it's gonna come from additional taxes, or it's gonna come from restructuring these promises, or it's gonna come from cutting other spending," Walker says.

He is not suggesting that the nation do away with Medicare or prescription drug benefits. He does believe the current health care system is way too expensive, and overrated.

"On cost we're number one in the world. We spend 50 percent more of our economy on health care than any nation on earth," he says.

"We have the largest uninsured population of any major industrialized nation. We have above average infant mortality, below average life expectancy, and much higher than average medical error rates for an industrialized nation," Walker points out.

Walker says we have promised almost unlimited health care to senior citizens who never see the bills, and the government already is borrowing money to pay them. He says the system is unsustainable.

"It's the number one fiscal challenge for the federal government, it's the number one fiscal challenge for state governments and it's the number one competitive challenge for American business. We're gonna have to dramatically and fundamentally reform our health care system in installments over the next 20 years," Walker tells Kroft.

And if we don't?

"And if we don't, it could bankrupt America," Walker argues.

You’re probably expecting to hear from someone who disagrees with the comptroller general’s numbers, projections, and analysis. But hardly anyone does. He is accompanied on the wake-up tour by economists from the conservative Heritage Foundation, the left-leaning Brookings Institution, and the non-partisan Concord Coalition. The only dissenters seem to be a small minority of economists who believe either that the U.S. can grow its way out of the problem, or that Walker is over-stating it.

"The Wall Street Journal for example calls you 'Chicken Little,' running around saying that the 'sky is falling, the sky is falling,'" Kroft remarks.

"Unfortunately they don't get it. I don't know anybody who has done their homework, has researched history, and who's good at math who would tell you that we can grow our way out of this problem," Walker replies.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke validated much of Walker's take on the situation at congressional hearings this year, and so did ranking Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee. Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota is the Chairman.

Sen. Conrad thinks David Walker is "providing an enormous public service."

Asked if he agrees with Walker’s figures and his projections, Sen. Conrad says, "I do. You know, I mean we could always question the precise nature of this projection or that projection. But, that misses the point. The larger story that he is telling is exactly correct."

Conrad acknowledges that most people in Washington are aware how bad the situation is. "They know in large measure here, Republicans and Democrats, that we are on a course that doesn't add up," the senator tells Kroft.

"Why doesn't somebody do something about it?" Kroft asks.

"Because it's always easier not to. 'Cause it's always easier to defer, to kick the can down the road to avoid making choices. You know, you get in trouble in politics when you make choices," Sen. Conrad says.

Asked if he thinks taxes should be raised, the senator says, "I believe first of all, we need more revenue. We need to be tough on spending. And we need to reform the entitlement programs … we need to do all of it."
But he admits he doesn't think there's a consensus for raising taxes.

"Any politician who tells you that we can solve our problem without reforming Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is not telling you the truth," Walker told an audience at the University of Denver.

Over the next year, the nation’s top accountant will be traveling to the early primary states, telling voters that we need to begin raising taxes or government revenues and put a cap on federal spending if we want to maintain our economic security and standard of living.

"If you tell them the truth, if you give them the facts, if you explain this in terms of not just numbers but values and people, they will get it and empower their elected officials to make tough choices," Walker argues.

Asked if he knows any politicians willing to raise taxes or cut back benefits, Walker says, "I don't know politicians that like to raise taxes. I don't know politicians that like to cut spending, but I think what we have to recognize is this is not just about numbers. We are mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren at record rates, and that is not only an issue of fiscal irresponsibility, it's an issue of immorality."
Reply #20 Top
.why are you arguing with me?


I don't recall arguing with you at all. As a matter of fact I tend to ignore you. I was commenting on something drmiler posted. I only read the Col's posts for a bit of comic relief.
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dremiler

You are a LIAR. I saw the report this on CNN Late Addition TODAY.

Now CNN has another article about the $850 Billion dollar trade deficit and the fact it is DESTROYING our economy. The biggest problem is with China who is also the largest foreign purchaser of our debt! Bush is the one that approved China to be added to the WTO and has expanded the FAILED Trade Policy that Clinton started. Why kind of an idiot would expand a trade policy that failed for the 8 preceding years and double the size of the trade deficit.


Don't call me a liar, you a**hole. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. To borrow a line from ID.......Comptroller General....

Clinton appointee + Hilary Clinton running for President = says enough by itself

And if you saw the article, then "why" can't I find it on their website? Or better yet why can't you just provide a link?

And just for the record....just what does the comtroller general have to do with Iraqi troops? Could it be that finding yourself on the losing end of an arguement, once again you change the subject?
Reply #22 Top
drmiler

If you say that CNN did not carry the story I posted in this Blog you are a LIAR!

And just for the record....just what does the comptroller general have to do with Iraqi troops? Could it be that finding yourself on the losing end of an argument, once again you change the subject? Just another example of POOF what I posted is true. YOU ARE AN IDIOT that never looks at the facts just what your twisted mind wants to believe.
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just what does the comptroller general have to do with Iraqi troops?


Why not answer the question?
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MasonM

I was answering the question of drmiler see below:


Reply By: drmiler Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007
drmiler

TRY CNN WOLF Blitzer Late Edition! It was on about 30 minutes ago.


Sorry but I have searched the "entire" CNN site and (yes I'm a registered member) found nothing to back up your claim. So until I can see it....I think it's BS! And like Mason said it "must" be so even without corroborating reports from ANY other source.

And as far as this goes...

How did you like the Comptroller General article I posted that you requested?


I'll tell you the "same" thing I said on your other thread:You gave me something that is 2 YEARS out of date! This is 2007 NOT 2004! When you can show me where he has said it lately, then I'll believe. Until then this is BS!


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MasonM and Drmiler

How did you like both the 2004 and 2007 comments of the Comptroller General? Since the 2004 article we have added over a Trillion more dollars of debt. Face it-- Bush is destroying this country and the harm he has done will last long after his term in office has ended!