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Is this the start of something bigger to come??

Is this the start of something bigger to come??

Salt Lake Jihad? New American Jihad??

Are we facing a new and increasing type of criminal/ terrorist act? Is there reason for concern of the general public at large? Should we begin to prepare ourselves for the possibility of bigger and more spectacular attacks?

When Sulejmen Talovic entered the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City Monday night with a shotgun, a pistol, and a backpack full of ammunition, he intended to “kill a large number of people,” according to Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. Talovic killed five people and wounded four before he himself was killed by an off-duty Ogden police officer who happened to be in the mall.

Why did Talovic do it? No one knows. Talovic’s aunt, Ajka Omerovic, told reporters: “We want to know what happened, just like you guys. We have no idea...We know him as a good boy. He liked everybody, so I don’t know what happened.” She did state that he was being misled my "outside" sources. Who were these "outside" sources? It has not been revealed yet. Talovic, who was eighteen at the time of the murders, was a Bosnian Muslim who came to the United States with his family in 1998. Could he have been motivated by jihadist sympathies?

FBI special agent Patrick Kiernan discounted that possibility. “We’re working closely with the Salt Lake P.D. and we’re obviously aware that that [terrorism] is a potential issue out there,” he explained. “But at this point there is nothing that is leading us down this road.” And with Talovic dead and apparently having acted alone, unless something he wrote explaining his actions is discovered, it is unlikely that his motive will ever be definitively known.

But was Kiernan really correct that “there is nothing that is leading us down this road”? Unfortunately, he didn’t explain how he came to this conclusion. Talovic joins an unfortunately growing list of Muslims who have committed acts of violence, only for officials to assure us that their actions have nothing to do with terrorism. Maybe none of them do, but the list is full of troubling details:

 

  • On January 31, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, 22, stole a car in Minneapolis. He went on a rampage, ramming the stolen car into other cars and then stealing a van and continuing to ram other cars, injuring one person. His father told officials that Mohamed was suffering from mental problems; his mother added he had been depressed and hadn’t been taking his medication. During his rampage, Mohamed repeatedly yelled, “Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill,” and when asked why he did all this, he replied, “Allah made me do it.”
  • Omeed Aziz Popal, a Muslim from Afghanistan, who killed one person and injured fourteen during a murderous drive through San Francisco city streets in August 2006, during which he targeted people on crosswalks and sidewalks, identified himself as a terrorist after his rampage, according to Rob Roth of San Francisco’s KTVU. Later the murders were ascribed to Popal’s mental problems, and to stress arising from his impending arranged marriage.
  • On July 28, 2006, a Muslim named Naveed Afzal Haq forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Once inside, Haq announced, “I’m a Muslim American; I’m angry at Israel,” and then began shooting, killing one woman and injuring five more. FBI assistant special agent David Gomez stated: “We believe...it’s a lone individual acting out his antagonism. There’s nothing to indicate that it’s terrorism-related. But we're monitoring the entire situation.”
  • In March 2006, a twenty-two-year-old Iranian student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV onto the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, deliberately trying to kill people and succeeding in injuring nine. After the incident, he seemed singularly pleased with himself, smiling and waving to crowds after a court appearance on Monday, at which he explained that he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah.” Officials here again dismissed the possibility of terrorism, even after Taheri-azar wrote a series of letters to the UNC campus newspaper detailing the Qur’anic justification for warfare against unbelievers, and explaining why he believed his attacks were justified from an Islamic perspective.
  • The 2005 University of Oklahoma bombing occurred on Saturday, October 1, 2005 at approximately 8:00 p.m. CDT, when a bomb went off near the George Lynn Cross Hall on the University of Oklahoma (OU) campus. The explosion was approximately 500 feet away from a stadium with 84,501 spectators watching a football game,and reports are mixed on whether or not the bomber tried to enter the stadium before the explosion. The Norman, Oklahoma police department reported that the bomber, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, was killed in the explosion, and have described it as a suicide bombing. No one other than the bomber was killed.

None of these were terrorist attacks in the sense that they were planned and executed by al-Qaeda agents that we know of. And it is possible that all of them were products of nothing more ideologically significant than a disturbed mental state, although it is at least noteworthy that each attacker explained his actions in terms of Islamic terrorism. As such attacks grow in number, it would behoove authorities at very least to consider the possibility that these attacks were inspired by the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacy, and to step up pressure on American Muslim advocacy groups to renounce that ideology definitively and begin extensive programs to teach against it in American Islamic schools and mosques.

In October 2006, a pro-jihad Internet site published a “Guide for Individual Jihad,” explaining to jihadists “how to fight alone.” It recommended, among other things, assassination with guns and running people over. Is it possible that Sulejmen Talovic and some of these others were waging this jihad of one? It is indeed, but with law enforcement officials trained only to look for signs of membership in al-Qaeda or other jihad groups, and to discount terrorism as a factor if those signs aren’t there, it is a possibility that investigators will continue to overlook or at least call it for what it is.

What is the purpose of these types of attacks? Is it to instill fear in the mainstream public? Is it to try and show the extent to which these people will go to try and make their point? What point is that? That they are willing to die to make people fear them? I don't get that one. But I will have to sit back and take a wait and see posture.

Majority of post from http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26961 My comments and additions in Blue..

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Reply #26 Top
The FBi went through this kid's computer, all his things. They found *nothing*. They couldn't even say whether or not he held any Muslim beliefs. It's pathetic how hateful people will stretch to make a monster out of what they hate. This is why I left JU for a while, and I may leave for good. I'm sick of the 'true blue' idiots around here, I don't even like to see this kind of hateful crap.
Reply #27 Top
As for Columbine it was the treatment of the killers by the peers that set them off finally.


You don't know that. They're dead; they can't tell us of their motivations and triggers.

Likewise, Talovic is dead. Dead as a doornail. But I maintain, the religiously-minded jihadist is not going to yell "Die, motherf***ers, die" as he guns people down. Which is, according to all eye-and ear-witnesses, exactly what Talovic was yelling.
Reply #28 Top
Why do you keep calling Sulejmen Talovic a terrorist? I pointed out that there was a white guy that went nuts and shot people on the SAME DAY in Pennsylvania and you don't call him a terrorist. The FBI says he wasn't a terrorist, and couldn't even find proof of Muslim faith on his part.

Could you tell me how you know he is a Muslim? Because his family is? If the guy in Pennsylvania's family is a Christian, can I make some long, empty-headed diatribe about Christian terrorists? Joel Henry Hinrichs wasn't a Muslim either, all that was debunked by the FBI.

The saddest part isn't that you vilify a particular religion, but that you are totally blind to the fact that crazy Christian, Atheists, etc., kill people all the time and you never blog on it. There are millions of Muslims in America, if there was some coordinated effort to go on shooting sprees you wouldn't need to guess if it is a trend, they'd let you know themselves like they do everywhere else.

If I were Sulejmen Talovic's family, I'd find a vindictive lawyer, hit google, ans sue every person I could find who implies he was a muslim terrorist. I'm betting you can't even prove he was Muslim, given the FBI can't.



Yeah...why indict a whole culture on the actions of just a few million.
Reply #29 Top
This is a plagiarized article and needs to be removed. Here is the original. It is an article called "Salt Lake Jihad?" by Robert Spencer.


Hey grow up, read back I cited the orginal article. Gheessshhh give it a rest. You embarassing yourself.
Reply #30 Top
The FBi went through this kid's computer, all his things. They found *nothing*. They couldn't even say whether or not he held any Muslim beliefs. It's pathetic how hateful people will stretch to make a monster out of what they hate. This is why I left JU for a while, and I may leave for good. I'm sick of the 'true blue' idiots around here, I don't even like to see this kind of hateful crap.


LOL I don't hate anyone Baker, not even you after all your whining. I even have a very close friend/co-worker who is Muslim and would stand beside her anytime to defend her right to practice Islam. (BTW shes a cop..LOL) So lighten up on the hate speech. Your the only one using the "hate" word around here..
Reply #31 Top
Whining? Lol, nah. You guys are the ones who are scared perpetually shitless. You stole this article, anyway, so I really don't know why I should argue with you about it, it isn't your thoughts, it's that other guys. Might as well go to the source.

Reply #32 Top
Stolen, uncredited article from here.

I would exile you from the site for this. It's a sad thing to copy and paste someone else's article as your own.
Reply #33 Top
Stolen, uncredited article from here.

I would exile you from the site for this. It's a sad thing to copy and paste someone else's article as your own.


Baker, what is up with you? Why can't you just let this go? All your postings on it isn't going to accomplish anything.
Reply #34 Top
WTF? Why am I not ignoring the fact that a member of JU blatantly stole and article from someone and refuses to credit them? WTF is wrong with YOU that you'd sit here like a hypocrite and not say something? You know good and well that this has been done by other people and they were flamed off the site.

Hypocrites. If it doesn't accomplish anything, i.e the post isn't removed, I won't be posting at JU any more. Period.



Reply #35 Top
BakerStreet, you need to relax a bit. Check Reply #10. But then again not posting again... welll maybe .... never mind..   
Reply #36 Top
WTF? Why am I not ignoring the fact that a member of JU blatantly stole and article from someone and refuses to credit them? WTF is wrong with YOU that you'd sit here like a hypocrite and not say something? You know good and well that this has been done by other people and they were flamed off the site.


I never said "you" should ignore it. What I said in other words are....you've said your piece, it's time to move on. Your aren't admin so you personally can't do anything about it. And to continue to post over and over about the same thing is ridiculous and makes you sound like the col. You've called him on it and he "has" acknowledged it in reply #10. Let it go man.
Reply #37 Top
No. I'll keep bumping it until it is removed, or I am convinced that they know it is here and aren't going to. When that happens I delete my articles and leave. If JU is going to be a place where people can openly, knowingly steal other people's articles and indignantly thumb their nose when they are caught, I don't want to be here.

I don't think that is true. Either they haven't seen it, or whoever did passed the buck to someone who hasn't had a chance to deal with it. In the mean time, I'll keep it in view. If he blacklists me I'll just start using his name in blog titles and then they'll have to deal with it.

Either way, I will find out if this is going to be how JU works. If it is, you gals can have it.
Reply #38 Top
Stolen, uncredited article from here.
Reply #39 Top
Stolen, uncredited article from here


boohoo - stop stamping your little impotent foot like a spoilt little brat! The image you project of yourself is not a pretty one.
Reply #40 Top
The horse is still dead BS.

Oh and just so that we have our facts straight.
The post I put up orginally IS NOT all from the orginal cirted. I added my 2 cents worth, a couple of paragraphs. But most of it is from the site I linked in #10.

You really need to grow up. Everyone who cares has seen you post and gets your point (if there is one). So e-mail whoever you want and get over it..
Reply #41 Top
Just curious BS, are you a published author? Just curious..
Reply #42 Top
The issue is your lack of integrity and your weak thieving of other people's ideas. You didn't put anything whatsoever about the fact it was someone else's until you were outed.
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Reply #44 Top
You are admitting, right out in the open, what you are. You can poke fun of me, but in the end, you're basically asking why it is a big deal that you are dishonest and lack integrity? Why have that eagle by your name and write about the military?

OHHH, wait, you aren't writing about it, you just piece together what other people write about it. You can think that what you are doing is some sort of statement about me, but in reality every time you post you are reaffirming what you are. Lauding it, even. You are the one asking why anyone should care that you stole someone else's work.

You're no different than the little turds on Stardock's other forum that brag about pirating software. I hope you get the same response, because you have the same character deficit.

Reply #45 Top
You're no different than the little turds on Stardock's other forum that brag about pirating software. I hope you get the same response, because you have the same character deficit.


Is there no end in sight to your henpecking? How has this mans article affected your life? What ripples did it cause in your boring little turd filled pond?

What gives you the right to be yelling at him about plagiarism, TOU, ethics etc? What makes you special enough to do this? Get a life BakerStreet, you sound like a stuck record and your anal retention is choking you!

You go on and on and on - surely to god you have other things to occupy your time?
Reply #46 Top
What did it matter when Lucas stole articles and everyone gang raped him endlessly about it? It mattered then. What gives me the right? Uh, why do I need a right? What PREVENTS me from it?

Definitely not cowards that they can't use their real account out of shame that they are defending a thief.
Reply #47 Top
Definitely not cowards


Yeah, I'm definitely thinking this "frogleg" person is an old pissy regular, back under a new name to piss everyone off.

Nice way to start out, buddy.
Reply #48 Top
What did it matter when Lucas stole articles and everyone gang raped him endlessly about it? It mattered then. What gives me the right? Uh, why do I need a right? What PREVENTS me from it?

Definitely not cowards that they can't use their real account out of shame that they are defending a thief.


You are so long in the tooth it is become tiresome. With reference to the person above and the gang rape - gang rape or flame throwing is favorite pastime of this site - sadly a flaw of some horrid users,a flaw that is never fixed but enjoyed by the perpetrators of which it can be said you are one when the mood takes you.

It is all well and good to mention the plagiarism once and leave it at that, but it seems you are hell bent on causing as much destruction and damage as you can to this person and their reputation, you want to start a flame war, a gang rape or get them banned - your hunger for blood knows no bounds (sarcasm on)you sir are an insatiable hyena.

You could try maturing a little and start to learn when to actually let something go instead of harping on like a stuck record or an old women.
Reply #49 Top
Nice way to start out, buddy.


You mean Jennifer1?   

ShadowWar: I'm not sure I understand why you're so hesitant to make things right. I don't think you intentionally "stole" someone's work. I think it was a misunderstanding, but instead of clearing it up you seem to have decided it's more fun to play with Baker.

I think you're a decent stand-up guy, and I'm confused as to why it's ok with you to be seen as a plagiarist.
Reply #50 Top
You mean Jennifer1?


I was thinking that's who it was. And that's why I immediately disregarded it as rubbish.