Democrats Are More Dangerous Than Any Prison Scandal

The Left will do anything to beat George W. Bush

Polaroids of Iraqi prisoners in various poses...nude and simulating sex acts...are making the rounds on all the news channels, and in diplomatic circles...like dirty pictures of a dirty secret. President Bush calls the abuses they depict, "abhorrent." His opponents and enemies say they are the tip of the iceberg...a cold, sharp mountain of failed policies and a sadistic military. Neither of these is the case.

At worst, these abuses amount to kids who didn't really know better trying to get some measure of revenge against men who they felt were fighting against them...even though American troops were only trying to bestow the blessings of liberty on their country. These soldiers, by and large, are likely good, law abiding men and women, who thought they were having a laugh. Closer scrutiny of these Iraqis shows none have been beaten, bruised, cut or mutilated. At worst...these men were merely humiliated.

Contrast these men's apparent condition with the 700+ dead Americans who gave their last, full measure to bring Iraqis a better life...free from the crushing yoke of tyranny wielded by Saddam Hessein. Contrast these men's apparent condition with the condition of the million+ dead left behind by Hussein...riddled with bullets, internal organs liquified through gas attacks, crushed and shredded into a bloody pulp because they dared to criticize the then-Iraqi dictator.

The United States is making a serious mistake in the pursuit of this conflict. While most comparisons to Viet Nam are specious...one is becomming more and more real: media coverage is forcing the military to fight with less than appropriate vigor. Americans are compassionate...War is ruthless. Had World War II been fought under the same media microscope being used in Iraq, tactics which were vital to victory would never have been implemented. The firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo...the clearing out Japanese pillboxes with flame throwers in the South Pacific...the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...all these would not have happened and the bloodiest conflict in history would have lasted years longer and killed millions more had we not been willintg to totally crush our enemies.

A sharp knife cuts quickest and hurts least...the ruthless pursuit of war in the name of humanity is a virtue, not a vice. Though no one defends the actions in that Iraqi prison in and of themselves, war is fought by people and people are human...they make mistakes. Sometimes, men and women in war make dumb decisions. That is what happened here.

But, calls for resignations at the highest eschelons of America's military are unfair...they might even be called traitorous. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is an honorable man and would never condone or cover-up these abuses. Democrats, like Delaware Senator Joe Biden, are taking advantage of these isolated incidents to paint a picture of incompetence and corruption that threatens to shake our troops morale...something more important to our troops' survival than any equipment they use.

This war is winnable... but only if we are willing to do everything it takes to win. An enemy is never truly defeated until he knows he has been beaten. In World War II, Germany was ground to dust between the the collossal grindstones of the Allied and Red armies. A full-scale invasion of Japan was only avoided by using a weapon so terrible that the Japanese were thunderstruck into surrender. Even then, it took two atomic bombs to make that point.

Opponents of the war point to casualties and to the low-scale attrition which are wearing away at the morale anf fighting ability of our troops. They forget that post-World War II, Nazi's were a problem for years and we had to occupy Japan for more than 30 years to pacify the population. The American occupation of Germany continues to this day. Yet, the nationbuilding accomplished in both Europe and Asia during the Cold War resulted in both these defeated nations rising from their ashes, Phoenix-like, to become industrial and economic giants. Not to mention they are shining examples of Democracy...a form of government neither had experienced before.

Everyone agrees...mistakes were made at the Iraqi prison, and the American men and women who perpetrated these decidely "unamerican" acts are being punished...even as I write this. But it would be fatal to the war effort...fatal to Iraq's budding Democracy...and fatal to future U.S. interests to allow this scandal to balloon beyond it's true perameters. Democrats and those against the wart are looking to use any lever...at any cost...to pry George W. Bush out of the Presidency. For the sake of every man, woman and child who loves freedom...don't let them.
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With respect to the WWII statement I disagree. The print and radio services were in favor of the war. It was an us against them mentality. We also had major international support and we were coming into this as the cavalry, saving Europe from the evil axis powers. The press fostered this idea. War bonds, USO, reports from London, the media was there to support the US in the effort. And, it did not always go well for us.

You may raise the question that a visual media, such as television would be more in opposition, or show the US in a bad light, but to that I have a question. Why, during the war was FDR never shown, in pictures, or film to be using his wheelchair?

IG
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The firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo...the clearing out Japanese pillboxes with flame throwers in the South Pacific...the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...all these would not have happened and the bloodiest conflict in history would have lasted years longer and killed millions more had we not been willintg to totally crush our enemies.


i felt that truman was correct in dropping the atomic bombs on japan. but if we have to "firebomb" iraqi cities full of non-combatants to avoid losing to the insurgents in iraq, i don't want to win.

right now we are not in "total war", we are in a "small war". get max boot's book, "the savage wars of peace". it talks about all the myriad small wars the us was in from the barbary pirates to the 1990s. carrots and sticks are needed, not nukes to grind the iraqis into the ground.
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At worst, these abuses amount to kids who didn't really know better trying to get some measure of revenge against men who they felt were fighting against them...


For starters, I have a hard time with the excuse, "they didn't know better." These soldiers are trained by the US Military--they are fully aware of the conduct that is expected of them.

Closer scrutiny of these Iraqis shows none have been beaten, bruised, cut or mutilated. At worst...these men were merely humiliated.


In light of the fact that the US government has said that two prisoners in the camp died of gun shot wounds, and that they are opening an investigation in to numerous other deaths, it might be a little premature to say that it was "merely hmiliation."
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Opponents of the war point to casualties and to the low-scale attrition which are wearing away at the morale anf fighting ability of our troops. They forget that post-World War II, Nazi's were a problem for years and we had to occupy Japan for more than 30 years to pacify the population. The American occupation of Germany continues to this day. Yet, the nationbuilding accomplished in both Europe and Asia during the Cold War resulted in both these defeated nations rising from their ashes, Phoenix-like, to become industrial and economic giants. Not to mention they are shining examples of Democracy...a form of government neither had experienced before.


Yeah, but these are Japan and Germany. Both were among the most sophisticated industrialized countries in the world. Capitalism suited them perfectly well even before the U.S. took control after WWII. They were fascist societies, which means the people were firmly committed to the cause of the state and dictator. And unlike Iraq, they were devestated by their own failed imperialist policies. Once the nazis collapsed, the ideology collapsed and reason set in. If we wished to effect the same results in Iraq, we'd have to defeat Islam, which is impossible, because Islam is every man's personal relationship with God. You can take Hitler away, but you can't remove God. Osama Bin Laden? Think of Jesus. You can take him away, but his cause remains firm in the hearts of those who followed him.

Everyone agrees...mistakes were made at the Iraqi prison, and the American men and women who perpetrated these decidely "unamerican" acts are being punished...even as I write this. But it would be fatal to the war effort...fatal to Iraq's budding Democracy...and fatal to future U.S. interests to allow this scandal to balloon beyond it's true perameters. Democrats and those against the wart are looking to use any lever...at any cost...to pry George W. Bush out of the Presidency. For the sake of every man, woman and child who loves freedom...don't let them.


Your rhetoric disgusts me. Have an original thought for once. George Bush has no more monopoly on the cause of 'freedom' than anyone. You are advancing a wicked lie if you say so. Your call for 'total war' is disgusting. Perhaps you are in complete denial of the facts of 21st century life. That kind of thing is no longer permissable. You cannot win support for total war from anyone. Perhaps you advocate killing all Iraqis and starting fresh with new Iraqis who don't hate us. That would be fabulous. What's stopping us?

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John Gilliland.......
Just one point because I don't have time to get into all the things wrong with your argument....

You stated that we had to occupy Japan for 30 years to pacify the population. Maybe you got that in the bizarro Japanese history book because thats totally untrue. The occupation of Japan lasted from 1945 until Japanese sovereignty was restored in 1952. And that was the official dates. US military occupation was for all intents and purposes over by the start of the Korean War in 1950. Japan was a great ally in the Korean war and the US was even pressing them to re-arm and become a partner against the spread of communism. So clearly that falls short of your alleged 30 years. What'd you get that from?

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You mean it actually took more than a year? I'm surprised the left wasn't demanding that the soldiers leave Japan by the beginning of 1946.
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This has to be one of the most scary articles I've read here. "Totally crush our enemies"? Whoa, the blackshirts are marching again!
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"unamerican" acts are being punished...even as I write this. But it would be fatal to the war effort


I call it anti-humanity. You won't be complaining about punishing the solders for such acts if you were forced into simulation (or actual) sex with somone opposite or same sex as you.
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i felt that truman was correct in dropping the atomic bombs on japan


I would have to agree. If it wasn't for our blatant display of power during those two explosions perhaps many more Japanese would have died if the war went on longer.

-- B
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Pffff, this article is so amazingly full of errors, lies and spin, it makes my head hurt. America is still occupying Germany? Wow. They didn't know democary before? Guess what, they ELECTED Hitler.

Then again, you did manage to make me laugh out loud with this gem:

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is an honorable man and would never condone or cover-up these abuses.


And it was good timing of a laugh as well, because I desperately needed it after:

But, calls for resignations at the highest eschelons of America's military are unfair...they might even be called traitorous.


You're either with or or against us. If you are against us, you are against freedom & democracy, you are a terrorist and you should be stipped naked, be put on a big sexy pile of other naked traitors and made fun of.

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Reply #6 By: Super Baby - 5/5/2004 11:32:50 PM

You mean it actually took more than a year? I'm surprised the left wasn't demanding that the soldiers leave Japan by the beginning of 1946.


good thing we had the righty truman in power then... {insert giant roll-eye emoticon}
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Pffff, this article is so amazingly full of errors, lies and spin, it makes my head hurt. America is still occupying Germany? Wow. They didn't know democary before? Guess what, they ELECTED Hitler.


Wow. I'm surprised the left doesn't condemn the invasion of Germany. Tons of innocent people (as well as American soldiers) did die during that invasion too.
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Wow. I'm surprised the left doesn't condemn the invasion of Germany. Tons of innocent people (as well as American soldiers) did die during that invasion too.


Eh, right... That's like, exactly the same situation isn't it? Awesome reasoning man!
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Pretty much. After we removed Germany from their occupied territories, they were no longer a threat to us. We should have let them remain in Germany and gather power again just like we should have let Hussein gather power and kill many innocent people before we charged again. As liberals would say, doing things to prevent atrocities in the future is a bad thing.
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I feel like its stupid to use any World War Two comparisons with the current situation. The world his changed more in the last 60 years or so since world war 2 than it had in the previous 300 or so years. Also, its sort of ridiculous to compare Hiter's invasion of the entire continent of Europe and parts of North Africa, and the systematic plan to exterminate the Jews by the millions to anything Saddam Hussian has ever done. If Hiter is the major leagues, Saddam's not even playing tee ball.

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That doesn't change the fact that Hitler was no longer a threat to us, and yet, we still invaded Germany. Besides, people love to compare Bush to Hitler, so why not?
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I simply don't know where to begin...so I won't bother.

But to get back on track: I'm curious as to your position, Super Baby. Are you defending the use of torture? Or are these troops just "kids who didn't really know better". I mean, the prisoners are just Iraqis. It's not like the're american or anything, so I guess that makes it allright...?
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Oh, I don't condone it at all, just like I'm sure liberals doesn't condone all the atrocities Iraqis have done to American civilians in Iraq, even if they remain silent about such actions.
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US policy in Iraq has always praised this achievement, “we have closed down Saddams rape rooms and torture chambers.” That is what makes this worse than just abuse; it tears at the fabric of the mission definition. What happened in that prison was senseless, it didn’t even appear to be an information gathering tactic, just old fashioned sadism. The officers in charge of that prison should face court martial for this incident. Those calling for Rumsfelds resignation are just seizing this unfortunate incident as an excuse to blast Rumsfeld because they hate him to begin with. If the Democrats had no problem letting Clinton lead with his pants around his ankles or Janet Reno continue her job in the department of justice after doing away with the posse comitatus act in Waco, which generally prohibits the use of military force on our own citizens within our own borders, then they loose all credibility calling for anyone’s resignation.
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These soldiers, by and large, are likely good, law abiding men and women, who thought they were having a laugh. Closer scrutiny of these Iraqis shows none have been beaten, bruised, cut or mutilated. At worst...these men were merely humiliated.


Oh please. In order to get the Iraqis INTO the positions in which they were photographed very likely required beatings or other forms of coercion, in order to get them to cooperate. Just because you can't see the bruises in some fuzzy photos doesn't mean they aren't there.
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An example of these soldiers definitely should be made. At least it'll show that we don't condone such actions.
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Well do we know if this is just an isolated incident, or if this is the M.O. of US troops abroad?