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but Democrats vowed they still would find a way to force President Bush to change course in a war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,000 U.S. troops

"We must heed the results of the November elections and the wishes of the American people,

"The American people do not support escalation. Last November, voters made it clear they want a change of course, not more of the same,"

this has got to be an example of "give a man an inch and he'll want a mile". Democrats were elected in a very VERY slim slim slim majority, this doesnt set any "precedent" or "declare the mindset of the American people".
worst of all is the "we'll find a way" idea, thats not how the government was designed to work. in fact its created diametrically opposed to this idea, a small majority should not express a lot of power.
Frankly Dems are becoming both imperialistic and ambitious at an alarming rate. They are alarmingly naive for people supposed to run the government (thank god the victory wasnt a landslide)

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And you notice they just say 3000 American troops and none of the civilian casulties which are in the thirty thousdands....

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lordkosc

Join Date 12/2006

And you notice they just say 3000 American troops and none of the civilian casulties which are in the thirty thousdands....

95% of the civilian casualties are from the "non-existent" civil war...

you have to remember, the American people on average don't care about the people of Iraq. The war once it is all said and done will cost close to a trillion dollars, and for what? Oil? A free democratic Iraq? A stage for launching an attack on Iran?

I hate politics on game forums.... Even if it is off topic

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wow, if we did go there for the oil, the cost of the war would've just made up for the oil being shipped from there to here for many years ahead. but if we did go there for the oil then i guesse we are looking at accupieng that country for the oil for many years ahead. or "speculations" maybe we are there for strategic stance on world dominance and to paralize other nation for becoming as powerful as the U.S?

if it is a world domination tactic, i think space is the best place to build an stellarspace type of carriers and maybe drone war vehicles or an anti gravity cockpit to take out the limit of the g-force applied by earths gravity to be able to build a more advance and more powerful fighter ships that goes beyond raptors capability.

hehh.. so many weird stuff going on around the world that anything is possible and atleast the technology is reasonably researched and potentialy applied through trials of success and failures.

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lordkosc

Join Date 12/2006

OMG on the History channel they have a show talking about Iraq and the US invasion and Iran's possible nuclear plants and weapons facilities and it ends with what might happen with IRAN, and they showed "make believe plans" for a dual invasion of Iran from Iraq and Afghanistan

I was like OMG they didn't... I can see President Bush recording it on his VCR and showing the Joint Chiefs of Staff, lol...

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LoL!

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they showed "make believe plans" for a dual invasion of Iran from Iraq and Afghanistan

there's been a leak in the CIA... again...

on a more serious note:

wow, if we did go there for the oil, the cost of the war would've just made up for the oil being shipped from there to here for many years ahead

the whole "we went there for the oil" conspiracy is null, we lost way more than we gained. and the majority of what we DID gain has cycled back into rebuilding Iraq.

it has more to do with fear politics and self preservation than "Democracy in Iraq" (they dont even understand it there...) or "the oil conspiracy" (again, no profit).

95% of the civilian casualties are from the "non-existent" civil war...

this isn't by any means a classical civil war. we aren't dealing with an enemy that is supported by the majority of the populace, what we are dealing with here is a sort of Imperial minority. its really odd considering the sociological setup of the place.

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Ahh, i wondered when a new thread about politics would start.

Must we do this again Schem?
I know i have been gone for a while, but once again we go back to the elections.

First off, the Democrats didnt wint by a 'slim' race. They won the House with a very good majority, the Senate however, is ofcourse a 'slim' race. But, it hasnt ever been not 'slim', at least for the Senate.

What i thinkn of the war was that we should have wooped Hussein and set up a government that would give anomity to the three cultures. A sort of federation, if you will. But no, we had to do it the hard way. And now what do we have, a civil war, o wait sorry its not a civil war it is just the definition of one. Sure Hussein wasnt much better, but at least he kept order, he kept the cultures in balance. Sure he killed a lot, but i think we are starting to see why. Their culture admires physical might, their best advocate is fear, while ours is money. I mean even the company that is in charge of rebuilding their country is messed up. The government pays that company back a fraction of what it spends. So when a truck brakes, they blow up the truck istead of fixing it, because that way they get more money.

To me the war is just not worth it anymore. What are we showing to the world? The fact that we are stuborn or the fact that we are stupid?

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To me the war is just not worth it anymore. What are we showing to the world? The fact that we are stuborn or the fact that we are stupid?

a bit of both

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Sure Hussein wasnt much better, but at least he kept order, he kept the cultures in balance. Sure he killed a lot, but i think we are starting to see why.

balance had nothing to do with it. he suppressed one group and raised another.

They won the House with a very good majority

10 seats is nothing, especially out of over 400.

Must we do this again Schem?

its fun and you know it

A sort of federation, if you will. But no, we had to do it the hard way

a federation would have had way more problems, with all of the oil "sharing" between regions etc.

Their culture admires physical might

not at all true. otherwise they would bow at our feet no?
they admire religious zealots. they attack us because we are some "evil power" that defies Allah.
this of course is all in the creation of the minds of bored middle class middle easterns

basically the problem arises from the fact that there is no war for the middle class to fight, so therefore they come up with the next best thing to it: blowing up civilians and calling it a religious cause.

this is what happens when a deeply pre-industrial era nation is dragged head first into the digital age.

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It is quite entertaining, but i am too much of a moderate to provide much of an arguement, its arguements like these you need Sarcasm for

I do not think to them we show physical might. We have technological might, they fear us, but they dont respect us. We use tactics and try to conserve life as much as possible, many of them see that as cowardice.

Plus we are forming a bad culture of supportiveness. Theres over 300,000 of their troops ready to protect their own country. But, it is we who are still fighting, still spending billions on it through a very corrupt company(a point you failed to critisize, shame on you

). They are now relying on us for almost everything, soon enough we will be their 'servants' just because we are not able to accept another defeat.

In the end there are larger issues at home that we should be concerned about. One of which i wish to bring to discussion once again.
Eduation and jobs
If we take all the students in China, that would be considered recieving an 'honors' level education, they would outnumber the amount of regular students we poses. A recent statistics review has shown that on average a student graduating from college today will go throuh 15 jobs, and 4-5 different careers. Another study revealed that half of those graduating in 2010 will be trying to find jobs that dont exist yet. How are we supposed to teach our youth the job skill required for things that dont even exist yet, using technology we havent even thought of?

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lordkosc

Join Date 12/2006

All I want to know , is the US shipped 4 BILLION dollars in cash to Iraq, (paper money for rewards for information and such) and misplaced it... I can just see it, hey did anyone see the 300 tons of cash on them pallets over by the door, they seem to be missing?!?!

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The fact that we have spent over 150 billion dollars, makes that 4 billion look so small, i dont think anyone has even noticed yet.

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that would be considered recieving an 'honors' level education

is that theirs or ours.

besides, they have a very feeble infrastructure. I doubt this is much of an issue.
and we have a far superior upper level education anyway

I'll get back to the rest later.

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Its based on ours.

As a side note, the private school students recieve an education 2 years ahead of any of our private school students.

Wrong once again, The University of Bejing(or whatever it is called) is ranked as fifth in Asia, and somewhere in the 20 in the entire world.

And we have been over this, their infastructure is far from feeble. They produce 70% of all goods sold here.

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And we have been over this, their infastructure is far from feeble. They produce 70% of all goods sold here.

the biggest of structures are usually the feablest.
take for instance the fact that their whole economy is based on production, hence the saying "made in china"

Wrong once again, The University of Bejing(or whatever it is called) is ranked as fifth in Asia, and somewhere in the 20 in the entire world.

and between us and the EU we have the other 19... (or most of them anyway)
america has something like the top five on most lists. considering there is no absolute way to rank schools.

As a side note, the private school students recieve an education 2 years ahead of any of our private school students.

but they have very very few private school students, of which are the sons of production tycoons. what did you expect anyhow?
and high school education means nothing in the end anyway. they have no real post-grad setup for their middle-lower classpeoples
they send most of their tycoon kids here anyway, thats why we have a surge of asians on the West coast.

Its based on ours.

again, they have a very few who make it into this "honors" enrollment relatively
and by "better education" your talking about more specialized, which is in no way really better. and this also pertains to the "2 years ahead of education". its not really two years, its just that their education isnt as rounded as ours, its specialized.

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Listen to me once again, they have more honors students then we have students. I consider that kind of sad.
Plus, they have more trained specialist, according to statistics the average persont there only changes their career once in their life and has only 5-8 jobs in their life time. While here students graduating today will have 5 different careers, and near to 14 jobs.

I think that is pretty sad.

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Listen to me once again, they have more honors students then we have students. I consider that kind of sad.

that is what happens when you have 1/3 of the world's population.
not to mention their definition of "honors" will have to be a lot smaller.

Plus, they have more trained specialist, according to statistics the average persont there only changes their career once in their life and has only 5-8 jobs in their life time. While here students graduating today will have 5 different careers, and near to 14 jobs.

again, its because they aren't fit to do anything other than what they've been taught.
this is because their government hyper-specializes their education system, it makes expansion a hell of a lot faster. but it'll make their whole government a hell of a lot more lopsided when its finished.

in the end what they're doing doesnt mean that they're better off. in fact its pretty short sighted and self-destructive.

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and this next point is so big that it deserves its own post (not really, but I forgot to put it in and I want to make certain you dont miss it):

The University of Bejing(or whatever it is called) is ranked as fifth in Asia, and somewhere in the 20 in the entire world.

Beijing has been in English hands for the last 100 years, the fact that they cant get their own university on that list only makes it more to laugh at.
its proof of point: only the tycoons have enough to pay for higher education, the rest become ditch diggers. and this serves their needs all the more.

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Bejing was never in English hands

Thats Hong Kong, study your geography and your history.

But, enough about you. The fact that you said that they are only trained in what they are taught to do doesnt help the matter. At least they can do it correctly. How do you expect our education system to train a person to do 5 different things 14 different ways?

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sorry, posted taht at 1 in the morning
lost a lot of ethos with that one, didnt I.

but either way, with their industrial capacity they shouldnt just have one.

How do you expect our education system to train a person to do 5 different things 14 different ways?

its the only system that works in an advanced system of government. beyond that you create civil unrest and your infrastructure becomes very fragile

to be frank, the only thing thats preventing China from having serious internal issues are
1) its expanding, and thats creating advances that keep the infrastructure stable, for now
2) its culture. to them subsurvience is honorable, and that keeps their government stable

but these things will only last for so long, eventually cultural poison (yay McDonalds!!!) will stop number 2, and in a few decades they will be advanced as we are now, without much place to advance to.
chances are that their economy will be too fragile to be of much competition. (much like pre 20th century south)

now I'm not saying that they aren't going to advance into our new Era, but we will still be dancing upon their decorated heads. they simply lack both mode and capacity to be as advanced as we are.
right now they are sacraficing "capacity" for "mode"
i.e. they are going way too fast to create a stable and unified government that will remain a major competitor in the coming centuries. its not that they wont overcome it, its just that they are going to have some serious difficulty

and all this "mode over capacity" gives off false statistics
1) more honors students (forced entry)
2) massive expansion
3) "more years advancement" in education (specialization)

all these things are really grand for an expanding country, but they will prove difficult for a full-fledged China. they really cant sidestep the birthing pangs of an industrial/digital age nation.

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Yes, yes you did. But, we all make mistakes. Myself excluded

. Sorry feeling a little bit too full of myself today, but anyways.

I dont think China will colapse. Oh no far from it. It will become the new industrial capital of the world. Mcdonalds is already there, and many of their cities resemble ours, many of their families now have plasma tv's(cause they are cheaper than normal ones) and some are starting to acquire computers. China is becomeing less and less comunistic, less than half of their industries are contorled by the government at this point. Why?

Because, most of the are international. If the government starts to oppress those, they will just pick on and leave. I think China now resembles early America, everyone there is getting modern jobs, they are trying to better themselves. AND(this is very important) they arent ashamed to do 'dirty' work. Work that none of us 'first' world countries wantt to do.

Secondly, all their major cities have free atomity, with little government interferance. This means that its only time before China becomes more of a socialistic federal government.

Next, they are already as advanced as us. They are actually a bit more advanced then us in some areas. I can name one off the top of my head. Efficiency, their factories are twice if not thrice more efficient than ours. I dont really know why, these are just statistics. Why do you think they produce more plasma TV's then our country, or more computers. And those things are supposidely only majorily produced by US, but thats starting to be proven false. Just because they are going to be as advanced as us doesnt mean that they will also stop advancing. There is always room for improvement.

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Yes, yes you did. But, we all make myself. Myself excluded .

I assume you mean mistakes

now we're both on equal ethos footing!

I dont think China will colapse

certainly not (and if I said so before I'll recount it now) but they are going to deal with expansion issues. thats completely undeniable.

Mcdonalds is already there, and many of their cities resemble ours

Mcdonalds proves my point not yours... also points out that we have a foothold on their economy
anyway thats specifically their East coast, almost 90% of their country is way underdeveloped (central and western regions specifically) even the poorest of countries have cities

China is becomeing less and less comunistic, less than half of their industries are contorled by the government at this point. Why?

I still hate the PRC. they are a perversion of democracy...
but thats not entirely true. yes they create so called "free trade zones" (kindof like capitalist cities in a socialist nation) but no companies are free from control

Because, most of the are international. If the government starts to oppress those, they will just pick on and leave

whoa hold on. most companies aren't based in china, they just have major divisions there (although they do have extreme difficulty with international law, conversion of currency etc.) but the ones rooted there cannot simply "pick up and leave", they are rooted my national laws and difficulty in conversion.

Secondly, all their major cities have free atomity, with little government interferance

nonono, not in China. each province supposedly runs "autonomosly" but the truth is that the national government has a firm hold in them
thats why only certain cities are designated as "free trade zones"

Next, they are already as advanced as us. They are actually a bit more advanced then us in some areas.

no, no, no no no.
dont confuse the advancement of a couple cities with the advancement of a nation. if you do that every country is equally advanced because we all have pretty much equal access
the only point here is that they have little inhibition in terms of controversial biological studies (stem cells etc.) otherwise they are behind us. although they do pour a lot into R&D (something like the 4th nation in the world? America's number one)

Efficiency, their factories are twice if not thrice more efficient than ours. I dont really know why, these are just statistics. Why do you think they produce more plasma TV's then our country, or more computers. And those things are supposidely only majorily produced by US, but thats starting to be proven false. Just because they are going to be as advanced as us doesnt mean that they will also stop advancing. There is always room for improvement.

this has nothing to do with anything.
this only proves that they are a production based country. the truth is that they're current advancements are bringing them into the market that Europe currently conquers (industry based) and out of the markets of a lot of Asian countries (production based) and most certainly NOT into the market of America, S. Korea or Japan (innovation, digital and food based)

and finally dont confuse "makes 80% of the world's circutry" or "90% of the world's plasma TVs" with the fact that they are the world's digital country. thats completely wrong, they are merely a production facilitator

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Ahaha, you made a good joke, America being number one on an R&D list.

Okay heres a fact, Nintendo pored 144 million into R&D last year. Almost twice as much as America(non-military research).

As o your last paragraph, just the fact that they are able to produce more of those speaks poorly of our nation and other advanced nations. Plus, they are making inovations to make techonology cheaper, while this country has no want of doing so.

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Okay heres a fact, Nintendo pored 144 million into R&D last year. Almost twice as much as America(non-military research).

and look what they got, a wavy remote! (their graphics aren't even impressive...)

Plus, they are making inovations to make techonology cheaper, while this country has no want of doing so.

where did you hear this from...
your sources must be terrible.

just the fact that they are able to produce more of those speaks poorly of our nation and other advanced nations

it does not in any way. why would it? if anything it proves that they are our economic "bitches" so to speak. sorry for my crude language.

and besides your "nintendo spent more than..." fact is way off base. you think we only spent 144 mil on stuff??? obviously your not taking into account our companies. microsoft alone could top that by powers of ten. (go Xbox!!!)

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You said America, so I assumed you meant the government, thats what i was talking about. I didnt count in any of the companies we 'own', because technically they are(or most of them are) international. As in they arent American or anything like that.

Companies dont want to make technology cheaper for the customer, they want to make the production of the technology cheaper. Which leads to basic corruption and jacked prices.

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