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Proposal for the Holy Land

Proposal for the Holy Land

Might Should be Right

I promised to address the question of how can the US support Israel without creating enemies which our current policy is doing. Considering the history of the area and the situation currently on the ground, following is what I believe could be an acceptable solution to both sides. First, just a brief look at the history:

The Middle East and in particular the Egypt-Palestine/Israel-Saudi Arabia triangle has always been and will always remain the focal point of Humans ever since they inherited this planet The people living in that area are aware of the uniqueness of their land and they always traded with each other with no major conflict between them. All the fights in that area were almost always with outsiders trying to control it. Starting from the middle of the Ancient Egyptian era to the Tatar, the Romans, the Greeks, the Crusaders and now the “West”, the fights were always to reclaim the land from the “Invaders”. That doesn’t mean there were no friction between one group or the other every once in a while, but it was no different than the normal frictions between different groups in any other region in the world.

The Real problem started when the Romans persecuted the Jewish population in the area surrounding Jerusalem and forced large numbers of them to flee to other countries including Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Morocco and of course to Europe. The rest of the problem is a well known history.

I mentioned the above in order to establish a fact that most of the people who are concerned about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict ignore: The current Palestinians Are the descendents of those who stayed, they are not some alien creatures from another lands.

Israel’s recreation ignored that fact and Israel’s hard liners today still ignore it. At the same time the current Palestinians hard liners also ignore the fact that those who returned to the land in 1948 and since are the descendents of those who fled the persecution 2000 years ago.

It is obvious, to any neutral observer, that it is not fair for anyone to come after 2000 years to claim a land they left behind even if they were forced to leave specially that the ones who stayed had no role in that terrible act of forcing people out of their land. If anyone objects to that logic, and I suppose that there will be many, let them answer this question: would the African Americans and the rest of the African people who were kidnapped and forced into Slavery allover the world have the right to go back to their original land in Africa and claim that they are the rightful owners of that land?

However, and regardless of the rights and wrongs, we now have two groups having the same origin i.e. they are in reality distant cousins each claiming the same land. It is obvious that both are partially correct in that claim and neither one will ever be satisfied with only part of that land. This fact is very clear to anyone who knows both sides. Any talk that we hear from the leaders in the area about “The Two State Solution” is being said because they CAN’T, politically, say what they really want. Only what we call the fanatics on both sides admit that. The sad fact is that those fanatics are the honest ones. Their way of achieving what they want may be vicious and wrong, but they are honest in what they want. The politicians are not honest, on both sides.

So, what is the solution then and how the USA can support Israel and still be fair to all sides? Sometimes we don’t see the forest from the trees. This time we only have to look to our north Boarder to See the solution. It is the Canadian Model.

The “One State Solution”

One state with two, may be three provinces each with their own language and traditions but all citizens are free to live in either one. The provinces are “Israel”, “The West Bank” and “Gaza” of one country called “Palestine” shared by the Cousins who were raised in different environments but now came back to their home land. The details are not an impossible task. It could be worked out. Over time they will get to trust each other and hopefully look at this period of their common history as just another struggle they had to go through together.

The USA could be instrumental in making this solution a reality by convincing each side to give up a little in order to gain a lot. The USA could also offer Compensation to both sides for whatever reasonable claims they have and help in providing guarantees for both sides to be treated fairly by the central government of the new "Palestine".

Of course this is a “draft” of what could really be an acceptable solution to both sides but it needs the USA to act neutrally and have the interests of both sides at heart not just Israel. That is how a Superpower should act.
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Reply #26 Top
You "can't" look past them, because most of them are in positionms of power


yes we can. We are not weak and fairness and good-will always tromp injustice and evil intentions. their power has no root and will crumble as soon as the main-stream populations are satisfied.
Reply #27 Top

I guess that is the difference between our two point of view. The problem with your view is that it is very short sighted. you even didn take your example (Germany) to its conclusion.


The problem with your view is that you don't know what you are talking about. The difference between our points of view is that you think that you can simply ignore the problem and solve something else.

I tell you again what the problem is:

Certain racists want to kill Jews (and Kurds and others).

You can call them extremists and make plans that don't include them, but that won't stop them.

Hitler disappeared because he and his extremists were TARGETED, not ignored. Nobody said "let's just deal with the Germans and ignore the extremists". That wouldn't have worked.



First, you and I can ignore what happened before 1930, the two sides, however, will never do that. They have a loooong vivid memories. you fixing your sight on the extremists (on both sides) but what i am suggesting is this: once you do what i am suggesting, those groups will not have any support. the general population will be satisfied and live as they lived before for those thousands of years that you like to ignore.


There are no two sides of extremists. There are no Jewish or Israeli extremists of the same level. Nobody in Israel wants to wipe out "Palestine" or openly advocates genocide. If you want to insist that this is some sort of duality, you again cannot even begin to solve the problem.



Second, your example proves my idea: when hitler disappeared the problem ALMOST (realize that wounds take time to heal) disappeared. The difference is the problem here is not racism it is land, and if you solve it the extremists will likewise disappear .


My example proves the idea that fighting the extremists works. YOUR idea was that the extremists must be ignored. That was very much NOT done in World War II. Thank G-d.



I said that? please, did you read what i said? i said the problem is always from outsiders. it is Europe, the USA, the Russians ...and before them France, Britain, Rome, ...etc. not the jews, muslims or christians. These were and are the owners of these lands, lets us get out of there and they will be fine. i honestly believe that.


It is ACTUALLY self-proclaimed Muslims who do the killing. France, Britain, Rome have nothing to do with it. You cannot stop the killers by getting out. Saddam happily gased Kurds and it had nothing to do with America or France or Britain or any colonial power. Jews were attacked all over the world (except in America and Britain), and America and Britain had nothing to do with it.

Stop blaming everyone except the perpetrators.
Reply #28 Top
The difference between our points of view is that you think that you can simply ignore the problem and solve something else


NO, i am not ignoring them , the proposal solves the root of the problem. if you believe that fighting the symptoms will cure it then go ahead. unfortunately it will not.

again, it is not up to me or you to decide the validity of this proposel. Sooner or later i hope someone who has the power to offer this to both sides comes along. and you will see, if that ever happens, that it will work.