Lebanon is Another Bush Foreign Policy Failure!




Bush helped form the new government in Lebanon as one of his new democracies that was to help stabilize the Moslem World. That new government was weak from the outset and Hezbollah was able to operate in the Sothern section of the country. That militant group is the avowed enemy of both Israel and the United States.

When the two Israeli soldiers were captured by Hezbollah, Israel invaded Lebanon and destroyed much of southern Lebanon. In addition to the destruction of the buildings and killing and displaced many Lebanese people, the Israeli invasion further weakened the Lebanese government. In addition, Hezbollah became more popular with many of the people of Lebanon.

Now fighting has broken out in Lebanon and there is a very real possibility that the government Bush said was so important could fall and further enhance to power of Hezbollah in Lebanon. That is a Lose, Lose, Lose outcome of the policy we have followed.

Bush should have told Israel they will not be allowed to invade Lebanon over the two Israeli Soldiers. We could have worked behind the screen to help free the two Israeli soldiers, who I believe are STILL BEING HELD captive.

What Bush did was allow Israel to destroy sections of Lebanon which set the stage for the fighting today in Lebanon. Every single aspect of the conflicts in the Middle-East and greater Moslem world has gotten worse since Bush took office. Here is a short list of the areas that have gotten worse over the past 6 years:

Development of a nuclear Iran
Civil war and instability in Iraq.
Fighting in Lebanon
Israeli/Palestinian conflict- Gaza and West Bank
Afghanistan and the reemergence of Al Qaeda and the Taliban
Relationship with Syria

There were problems before Bush became president in the above conflicts but never has every conflict turned as negative as it has during the past 6 years! The Bush policy in this region has been a TOTAL failure!
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Is there anything you don't blame Bush for?
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Only those things that his policy has caused or allowed to become worse. Every one of these issues has gotten worse under the Foreign Policy we have been following:

Development of a nuclear Iran
Civil war and instability in Iraq.
Fighting in Lebanon
Israeli/Palestinian conflict- Gaza and West Bank
Afghanistan and the reemergence of Al Qaeda and the Taliban
Relationship with Syria
Reply #3 Top
Most of your list is pure junk.  We have debunked most of htis before when you wrote this SAME ARTICLE months ago.  It's all blame Bush for everything in the world that was going on before him.  If it gets worse, it's somehow his fault, not the fault of the wackos in Iran or Syria.  How ridiculous.
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IslandDog

Are you saying that Iran is not moving forward with nuclear weapons? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq and that the country is unstable? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no fighting in Lebanon? Turn on you TV or read the Newspaper!

Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!

Are you saying the situation in Afghanistan in not getting worse? Why is Bush asking for another $10 Billion to fight in Afghanistan and why is Bush asking for MORE NATO Forces?

Are you saying we have an improved relationship with Syria? That is not what Bush is saying!

There I have debunked you last post. Every area I listed is JUST I AS I HAVE SAID.

You are a STUPID IGNORANT IDIOT!
Reply #5 Top
You are a STUPID IGNORANT IDIOT!


As usual col you can do nothing but toss a personal insult at me. 


Let me just run through a couple of your accusations.


Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!


The Israeli / so-called palenstinians conflict is much more complex than just blaming Bush.  Bush was the President who wouldn't negotiate with their terrorist leader Arafat.  I didn't see him being invited to stay at the White House or pampered like you lefties like us to do. 

Are you saying the situation in Afghanistan in not getting worse? Why is Bush asking for another $10 Billion to fight in Afghanistan and why is Bush asking for MORE NATO Forces?


If you would read other articles that give another point of view aside from the DailyKos and the NYT then you will see the articles that have been posted about the stability and progress that has been made in Afghanistan.  YOU only seem to point out the usual offensive by whats left of the taliban.  Keep avoiding the other side and keep blaming Bush. 

Keep grasping at every little straw you can.  Bush is not going anywhere col.  There is absolutely nothing that you will ever do that will get him out of office.  Get over your obesession with him.

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Bush did fail with Lebanon. Instead of Condi Rice pushing for an end to Israel's push into Lebanon they should have let them kill as many Hezbollah fighters as possible. Obviously what they call "peace" isn't if you watch the news.

So now instead of Hezbollah fighters being killed, Hezbollah is destabilizing the whole nation. I'm betting that the Col wouldn't have praised us for sitting back and allowing the job to get done, though. I'm still chickling over the line:

"Bush should have told Israel they will not be allowed to invade Lebanon over the two Israeli Soldiers."


We should tell Hezbollah that they aren't allowed to destabilize Lebanon. Heck, we should tell Lebanon to stop treating them like a political party. Heck, let's just tell everyone to get their shit together. That was easy...

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Are you saying that Iran is not moving forward with nuclear weapons? That is not what Bush says!


You are wrong, Iraq said they were not working towards nuclear weapons so does Iran How can you believe these false reports designed by Mr. Bush to attack the innocent people of Iran.
Oh wait both nations said they wanted nuclear weapons to use against us and our friends.

Are you saying there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq and that the country is unstable? That is not what Bush says!


You are so right on this issue col. Just becaue the people captured and killed are not from the country of Iraq does not mean there is no civil war. So what if the funding for the fighting comes from Iran that has openly stated they want to destableize Iraq or that the locals are incited by Iranian agents that Iran justly complaines we are undiplomatically killing and arresting.

Are you saying there is no fighting in Lebanon? Turn on you TV or read the Newspaper!


Again you are correct there is fghting in Lebanon. Openly funded by Iran and supported by Syria. Notice that it is not funded by Lebanon or its people. Who is doing this fighting? Israel? Nope. Terrorist? Yup. Maybe this has to do with that fake war on terror. Maybe we should get involved? Oh wait! Israel and Lebanon are working together to fight the terrorist and maybe just maybe America is helping.

Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!


I look at it this way. The terrorist don't have the ability to mess around in Israel because they no longer have a base of operation within the country which is why they need Lebanon. Maybe we should look into that.

Are you saying we have an improved relationship with Syria? That is not what Bush is saying!


Syria was going our way until Iran stepped in to help out. Maybe we should do something about that peace loving nation of Iran. They seem to be kicking up dust all over the area and diplomacy that everyone was screaming we should use instead of troops does not seem to work. Oh wait maybe that trip tha the Vice-president took to Saudi Arabia and the price of oil dropped like a rock which will cut off funds to Iran which is spending more than it makes now might help. Too bad the President is not doing anything about any of the problems of the Middle East.

There I have debunked you last post. Every area I listed is JUST I AS I HAVE SAID.

You are a STUPID IGNORANT IDIOT!


Though this was not directed to me I could not let you get away with your distortion. As a political Hack you do a Great Job.
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Paladin 77

You need to look the meaning of Debunked. You have not disproven ANYTHING I have said.
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You need to look the meaning of Debunked. You have not disproven ANYTHING I have said.


You need to learn to read things in context. I was quoting YOU! Don’t you remember your own words? No wonder it is so hard for you to understand what people write when you argue with yourself and lose. You seem to believe that Mr. Bush is responsible for everyting and the people causing the trouble are innocent.
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Paladin 77

You need to look the meaning of Debunked. You have not disproven ANYTHING I have said.


Hey yo-yo.....YOU need to go reread reply #4 which is your OWN reply. The "only" failure around here is YOU!
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Everything I said in this post is correct. Again you need to look at the meaning of debunked:

Are you saying that Iran is not moving forward with nuclear weapons? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq and that the country is unstable? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no fighting in Lebanon? Turn on you TV or read the Newspaper!

Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!

Are you saying the situation in Afghanistan in not getting worse? Why is Bush asking for another $10 Billion to fight in Afghanistan and why is Bush asking for MORE NATO Forces?

Are you saying we have an improved relationship with Syria? That is not what Bush is saying!

Every issue I raised is the way it is on the ground. Now if you are like Cheney and simply refuse to look at the facts, then you make statements like you have made.

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Everything I said in this post is correct. Again you need to look at the meaning of debunked:

Are you saying that Iran is not moving forward with nuclear weapons? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq and that the country is unstable? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no fighting in Lebanon? Turn on you TV or read the Newspaper!

Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!

Are you saying the situation in Afghanistan in not getting worse? Why is Bush asking for another $10 Billion to fight in Afghanistan and why is Bush asking for MORE NATO Forces?

Are you saying we have an improved relationship with Syria? That is not what Bush is saying!

Every issue I raised is the way it is on the ground. Now if you are like Cheney and simply refuse to look at the facts, then you make statements like you have made.


NO,YOU need to read what debunked means. You were the one accusing someone else you thought were debunking your myth's. When truth be told it was the other way around. Let me "show" you:

#4 by COL Gene

Fri, January 26, 2007 08:32 AM
IslandDog

Are you saying that Iran is not moving forward with nuclear weapons? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no sectarian fighting in Iraq and that the country is unstable? That is not what Bush says!

Are you saying there is no fighting in Lebanon? Turn on you TV or read the Newspaper!

Are you saying the Israeli’s and Palestinian conflict has not gotten worse? That is not what Bush Says!

Are you saying the situation in Afghanistan in not getting worse? Why is Bush asking for another $10 Billion to fight in Afghanistan and why is Bush asking for MORE NATO Forces?

Are you saying we have an improved relationship with Syria? That is not what Bush is saying!

There I have debunked you last post. Every area I listed is JUST I AS I HAVE SAID.

You are a STUPID IGNORANT IDIOT!


Again the only idiot is you!
Reply #13 Top
Drmiler

Webster defines Debunk as “to expose the sham pretensions of"

For you to have debunked my statements you need to show that:

Iran is NOT seeking Nuclear weapons

Iraq is stable and the violence is ending

There has not been fighting in Lebanon

That we are moving closer to peace between Israel and the Palestinians

That the fighting in Afghanistan is not getting worse

That we are having better relations with Syria.


Since you have not been able to show ANY of the above is true YOU have not debunked ANYTHING.


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Yep, the entire world was a happy, peaceful place prior to Bush being elected. I'll be glad when he's out of office so my back will stop hurting too.
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Ok if you say so.

Iran is NOT seeking Nuclear weapons


Mr. Bush has been fighting Iran getting nuclear weapons but everyone you support wants to ignore that for North Korea and Iraq. When Iraq became calm I will get to that later. It became All Iran all the time. Before the war started Mr. Bush listed three countries as an axis of evil. Iran was one of them. The Liberal Democrats have been fighting the President every step of the way in this war doing stupid things that looked smart for the short term but did serious damage in the long term. Just like Vietnam our people are dying over there in a war that has been fought and won and now being lost for political gain.

Iraq is stable and the violence is ending


Two thirds of the nation of Iraq is stable. The only area that is in trouble is the area where there is huge support from your friend Iran. There are Iranian troops in Iraq to keep the fighing going when the war ended and cause the most unrest as possible, butt loads of money from Iran to keep the war going. This is no longer a war with Iraq as both sides agree that the war is over. What you see now is the war on terror, one that we would be fighing closer to home if we were not in Iraq. Iran is going broke because it improrts gas and the price of gas is going up even as the price of oil is going down. This has been suggested as the stratagy of Mr. Bush and his oil friends. It cost 9 times what Saudi spends to pull oil out of the ground and the only three companies that sell better cheaper equipment is not selling it to Iran. This gives Iran a choice of gaining nuclear weapons at the cost of civil unrest or feeding its people and not buying nuclear technology. As the diplomatic efforts continue that you seem to ignore or fail to see because of your hate you can see that there is a chance we will win not only in Iraq, but in Iran as well.

There has not been fighting in Lebanon


Yes, there is fighting in Lebanon, how is that our Presidents fault? Everyone knows that it is your friend Iran that funds the terrorist and supports them in every way. We squeeze Iran and this was how they pushed back because Iraq is not looking as good to them as you seem to think. If it were why did they need to kick up dust in Israel?

That we are moving closer to peace between Israel and the Palestinians


This is true as well. If you notice in the news today that the two factions in "Palestine" came to a cease fire in order to fight Israel because they were killing each other for weeks and thinning their ranks. It is a civil war and as you have said many times that we should not get involved in civil wars. Israel is happy, we are happy and there are less terrorist to bother both of us. They finally got their crap together and now they have started attacking Israel again. Who is funding this war? Iran says they are so once again your friendly peace loving Iran is involved again in unrest. Once again Mr. Bush is working on the problem let him do his job.

That the fighting in Afghanistan is not getting worse


I know that you were only a colonel in the Army so you can't do much without a good NCO to point out little things like in that part of the world wars are fought during the spring and summer seasons and they go into hiding in the fall and winter. Not knowing this or bothering to investigate your sources you failed to notice that every year they scream that fighting is getting worse because all winter long there were only a few attacks and now they are coming out swinging. Next year you will say the same thing because next winter they will slow down, regroup, rearm, and work out new tactics. It is just that fewer and fewer people will be doing it.

That we are having better relations with Syria.


Not sure that relations are better or worse. Syria and Iran have teamed up years ago and have been playing games with us and the rest of the world. The problem is Mr. Bush counts them as an enemy and is dealing with them behind the scenes in order not to give them any good/bad press.

Looking at what is happening around the world it seems that you have three problem children and three enablers. Russia which is selling Iran a nuclear plant, France which helps in the UN alnog with Russia and China which is working hard to be friends with at least one major oil producing country.

Debunked? Not totally but providing you a point of view that you have ignored or failed to consider. All your screaming that Mr. Bush is not doing anything about the probelms in the Middle East you seem to have ignored a lot of stuff in the news.
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Drmiler

Webster defines Debunk as “to expose the sham pretensions of"

For you to have debunked my statements you need to show that:

Iran is NOT seeking Nuclear weapons

Iraq is stable and the violence is ending

There has not been fighting in Lebanon

That we are moving closer to peace between Israel and the Palestinians

That the fighting in Afghanistan is not getting worse

That we are having better relations with Syria.


Since you have not been able to show ANY of the above is true YOU have not debunked ANYTHING.



Hey FOOL! I was not trying to debunk anything. YOU were the one telling Island Dog that YOU had debunked everything he said. Go buy a CLUE you IDIOT!
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Paladin77

I believe Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. The mistake Bush made was to attack Iraq who had no nuclear weapons program in 2002. You claim Bush is fighting to prevent Iran from moving toward nuclear capability but NOTHING Bush has done has worked. That is the sane thing with North Korea. Hell they have now tested a nuclear device since Bush took over.

2/3 of the Area in Iraq may be somewhat stable but the central portion and the most densely populated area and capital gets worse by the day. Iraq is closed to all out civil war today then ever before. If the cleric had been killed yesterday ALL HELL would have broken out. Just one such incident will BLOW THE LID off Iraq and we will have 160,000 troops in the middle of what could become an uncontrollable Civil War.

If you believe that we are moving toward peace between Israel and the Palestinians, please follow the White Rabbit down the hole.

The war in Afghanistan is not getting worse because of a change in the season. Bush and the commander in Afghanistan would not be requesting more troops because of a change in the season. That is just about as lame of an excuse as I have heard. You should apply for a job in SPIN HOSPITAL at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Unless Bush in lying AGAIN, he says Syria and Iran are becoming BIGGER problems in Iraq and Lebanon.
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I believe Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.


What makes you believe this? Could it be the fact that the President and others in the administration have said this for years? Maybe it was the new leader of Iran who said he wanted the weapons to use against Israel and America? What a radical belief you have. Here is another radical belief, I believe the sun will rise in the morning and set in the evening. But don’t hold me to my radical belief.

The mistake Bush made was to attack Iraq who had no nuclear weapons program in 2002.


This is what I believed in 2002 and still believe today for the most part. I was born and raised in New York and the attacks there hurt me deeply. I am a bit emotional so forgive me.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

Iran though a nasty problem most of their dirty work was done under the radar so to speak while Iraq was making proclamations. The danger was obvious, clear, and vocal. Iran did not become vocal until after we were in Iraq. Remember that the leader in Iran was a moderate that wanted to renew relations with America until he was replaced. Also remember that the majority of Iranians wanted to renew our relations and only the religious leaders are opposed to this so we would only do more harm than good if we attacked Iran.

You claim Bush is fighting to prevent Iran from moving toward nuclear capability but NOTHING Bush has done has worked.


Nothing that your shortsighted inabilities can see. Other things are in the works if you would bother to look for news from areas other than hate news sites. This is open information nothing hidden just not discussed. You have to look for them something you don't seem to be very good at.

2/3 of the Area in Iraq may be somewhat stable but the central portion and the most densely populated area and capital gets worse by the day.


Only if you ignore the truth and cling to lies and information left out of the news.

Iraq is closed to all out civil war today then ever before.


You say this but last month you said it was a civil war when I said it was not. Which is it? close to civil war or is it now a civil war? This is why it is so difficult to get you to see the truth because you change your mind every few days. Each time your argument is debunked you change it slightly contorting your beliefs to skirt around the facts you don't wish to address.

If you believe that we are moving toward peace between Israel and the Palestinians, please follow the White Rabbit down the hole.


Well lets follow the rabbit a bit and see where it leads. For decades it has been the policy of the terrorist that no recognition of Israel will be accepted. only the total destruction of the nation will be the minimum acceptable goal. Now they have admitted there is such a legal state. Before there were no friendly nations on Israel's borders now there is only one unfriendly nation, and open support for the terrorists is down to two countries Iran and Syria. Are you saying that is not progress?

The war in Afghanistan is not getting worse because of a change in the season. Bush and the commander in Afghanistan would not be requesting more troops because of a change in the season.


Yes, your indepth research shows this to you? Go back over the press reports and you will see that is how they fight in that area. Ask the Soviets, and the Brits, both lost against them because they failed to notice that winter lull in fighting and mistook it as winning. Troops get pulled out and in the spring they attacks start up again. You said you went to war college, did you miss the month on military strategy, military history, and military tactics? Wait, you said you went to war college, did you graduate?

Unless Bush in lying AGAIN, he says Syria and Iran are becoming BIGGER problems in Iraq and Lebanon.


Axis of evil speech 2001, does this ring a bell? Saying it for almost six years and you still have not noticed it in any of your in-depth research of the topic? It seems Mr. Bush saw the problem years before you did and was trying to fix it while you were crying about the invasion of Iraq the President told the world who the enemies were and how he was planning to deal with them. Again you must have missed that in your research. Iran, North Korea, and Syria seem to have paid attention becasue each time the area starts to calm down we have falir ups because they know they are next.