does anyone know good sites to download a bit older games?

I have no trouble downloading new games or extremely old games (packman!) but for games that are around 5 years old, all i can find are the crappy demo's.

Click on that "TGNet" icon off to your left.

Currently i'm looking for the old 'civilisation multiplayer'. My disk got damaged beyond the reach of polishing!

Baring that, Civ 3 is on Steam.

thanks for the tip

home of the underdogs has a decent collection, but few in the timeframe you want. I am pretty sure it was abandoned by its creator due to legal harassment but it is mirrored by someone. I won't post a link (probably conflicts with Stardock's policies and interests) but it is available.

Also, a Civ collection has recently been released. Perhaps you can find what you need in that collection. WWW Link

Mystikmind, I certainly hope you're referring to legal downloads. Asking for help pirating software is a short road to ban-land.

Mystikmind, I certainly hope you're referring to legal downloads. Asking for help pirating software is a short road to ban-land.

EErrr!...Right! I have to go use...UM...the bathroom...(Goes into garage and destroys all of his pirated CDs  )

Mystikmind, I certainly hope you're referring to legal downloads. Asking for help pirating software is a short road to ban-land.

Funny, this topic just came up on the wargamer forum as well. Something new to me was that "abandonware", while many think it is legal to download, in many cases isn't. Copyright laws last for 50 yrs(I believe) and so the only difference between "abandonware" and other pirated software is that in the case of "abandonware" the copyright holders don't bother pursuing lawsuits due to the age of the software. There's a wikipedia article on it that explains it in more depth. Was news to me...

Mystikmind, I certainly hope you're referring to legal downloads. Asking for help pirating software is a short road to ban-land.

I would lay low and delete cookies if I were you Mystikmind. Not that I have any pirated software. For Realz.

Ban-land sounds like fun. Is it like Candyland?
I wasn't even aware of ban-land?
I wonder how much pirated software Kryo has himself. JK.  
That's kinda hypocritcal, weeing as I was the one who started the thanks kryo post

That's kinda hypocritcal, weeing as I was the one who started the thanks kryo post

No, that isn't anything close to being hypocritical. It would be so if Kryo was advocating torrents on another post. But he hasn't, and neither should you.

Serrian was saying his previous remark was hypocritical - not Kryo.

I don't know why people are talking about pirating. I don't care about pirating, i just wan't to find the game!

NB, if i had a pirate version of civilisation, then i would still be able to play it! No, the reward for having a legal copy of a game that gets a bit old is a damaged disk and no support. Luckily stardock have a better system, many thanks!

No, the reward for having a legal copy of a game that gets a bit old is a damaged disk and no support.

Unfortunitly, that's how it is with EVERYTHING you buy. I bought a truck this last summer. I speant a lot of money on it. My reward for using it? Having it wear out and lose value.

My computer is the same way, it's worth around half of what it originally cost. Eventually it will break, and will be worth nothing.

So, since that is the inevitable end of all consumer goods, is the answer to give up buying and start stealing? No! The answer is to accept it as a natural process of society, and be adults about it.

Piracy=Theft

Unfortunitly, that's how it is with EVERYTHING you buy

Everything?? hmmm thats a bit dumb to say considering your currently in the stardock website and i assume you know the current stardock policy with their products which i just finished acknoledging in my previous post??

Not to mention collectables, paintings and land, just as a few examples of things which i do believe are 'things' and included in the word 'everything' which you did just use in your post. Here's a tip... try to avoid using the word everything, it is a big fat bullseye for getting shot down.

Everything?? hmmm thats a bit dumb to say considering your currently in the stardock website and i assume you know the current stardock policy with their products which i just finished acknoledging in my previous post?? Not to mention collectables, paintings and land, just as a few examples of things which i do believe are 'things' and included in the word 'everything' which you did just use in your post. Here's a tip... try to avoid using the word everything, it is a big fat bullseye for getting shot down.

Only time will tell if I am right or wrong. If Stardock is still around in 70 years and still allowing the downlod, then I might take back what I said.

Further, land can lose value jsut as any other item, so can collectiables. Had you kept your copy of Civilization in the original box then it would probably go up in value.

But you do have a point about how some objects may retain or increase thier value, allow me to amend what I said. When someone uses an item they have purchased they run the risk that the object may break or wear out. Proper care may be given to extend it's life, but the risk is always there. Until we develope indistrucable frictionless materials, we can expect the trend to continue.

Only time will tell if I am right or wrong. If Stardock is still around in 70 years and still allowing the downlod, then I might take back what I said.

I think the big test will be if third party websites are able to continue providing the downloads if Stardock stops doing it.

Further, land can lose value jsut as any other item, so can collectiables. Had you kept your copy of Civilization in the original box then it would probably go up in value.

But you do have a point about how some objects may retain or increase thier value, allow me to amend what I said. When someone uses an item they have purchased they run the risk that the object may break or wear out. Proper care may be given to extend it's life, but the risk is always there. Until we develope indistrucable frictionless materials, we can expect the trend to continue.

Value is a seperate issue. Even if land decreases in value, you can still use it. Land does not wear out... it might change over time, eurosion, vegetation etc etc, but you can always still use it. Somone can interfere with your land, gov regulations, illegal toxic waste etc etc. But i'm not talking about these kinds of things affecting a game... house burning down, thief stealing disks!

If anything is indestructable then it would be data. Try putting a naked picture of your girlfreind on the peer to peer networks and then try and tell me again that it runs the risk of breaking or wearing out??????

NB especially if she is good looking!

Value is a seperate issue. Even if land decreases in value, you can still use it. Land does not wear out... it might change over time, eurosion, vegetation etc etc, but you can always still use it.

I got some people in Kitty Hawk, NC who might disagree. Their one time "ocean front" lots are almost ocean....

But alas, I digress... Unfortunately, I agree with you all that the true test shall be the test of time.

Value is a seperate issue.

Value is only as great as the 'want'. I can use comic books for this example since I collect them. I can have one thousand first editions of let's say, the New GhostRider. Now regardless of what the market is for that said comic book, let's use the sum of 100.00, I can only get what someone is willing to pay. If no one wants it, then it is worthless, regardless of it's 'value'. Now I put the comic book online and certain parties who are actively seeking this edition see it and start to bid. I can end up selling that bad boy for well above the 100.00 mark based on the demand (or I should just say based on how bad said person wants it). It's the same for gold. Jewelry prices should prove that the term 'value' is pretty much worthless anymore. If an ounce of gold goes for, I don't know, maybe 500.00 and that plain gold ring with a couple of 1/4 karat diamonds sells for 300.00 and only has maybe an 1/8th of an ounce of gold (not to mention all the fillers they add during smelting), then where is the value? Certainly it's valuable isn't tangible, so it must be 'valued' by the person who wishes to purchase it. Did this make any sense? Does it even belong here? Having one of those days at work... who am I and where are my damn keys?
Wow, all of this and the OP was about downloading older games!

Evil Stormbringe i don't mind interesting divergences.

I think the true value of somthing is in the cost of production, weather or not that value is realised depends on the wisdom or luck of the producer.

even things that have been resold many times still have an intrinsic value attached based on the cost of production. There are many things that can then change this value over time but that is entirely based on what people are willing to pay.

Somthing like land however normally has no production cost, well not unless you paid to reclaim land lost to the sea in 'Kitty Hawk, NC' for example! or bribed the council for better zoning classification!

Abandon ware is vary much a grey area.

Edit:
I'm not completely sure, but I am pretty sure it's grey area because of something called precedence.
meaning the game becomes so old the owner no longer bothers to defend there copy right. This sets a precedence for allowing people to ignore the copyright.

Thats an extremely simplistic form of it, but thats probably why.

I'm not completely sure, but I am pretty sure it's grey area because of something called precedence. meaning the game becomes so old the owner no longer bothers to defend there copy right. This sets a precedence for allowing people to ignore the copyright.

Well how do you even find out who owns the copywrites in the first place?

Well how do you even find out who owns the copywrites in the first place?

That's a god question, and since I didn't know myself, I did some looking around. If you are in America, teh best place to look is here:

WWW Link

It has a fully searchable database, and is surprisingly easy to use. A search for "Civilization" led me to a page where it said it was registered to acMicroprose Software INC. on 13 Nov 1992. Hope that helps!

Hope that helps!

It should help allot! thank you kindly for your effort