Paladin 77


NOTHING I HAVE SAID IS A LIE! I provide the proof and you ignore it whenever it does not reflect well on Little George! You are not just in disagreement with me but every source I used. If you want to continue to be in denial so be it. You and your leader are the same in the regard! Proof is your statement that, "Middle East is coming along nicely” You must be on a different planet!!!

No offense, but I don't see how either side could be totally sane and do this. You realize that you are just saying the same things over and over, and the other side is just saying "No!" and saying the same thing you disagreed with, right?

I could see it if you were arguing over some philosophical ideal that has no answer, or something you can prove quantitatively once and for all, but damn, this is like swiftboatvets meets the democratic underground in hell to argue for eternity.

BakerStreet

The issue is that those on this Web site who support Bush must ignore a mountain of contradictory data, events and opinion of the most knowledgeable people in this country to support this president. He is held in the same way as Nixon after Watergate and Cheney has the same rating as Agnue when he resigned in disgrace. Last night I watched Cheney in the interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN. The one thing that Cheney does for Bush is makes him look better. I have NEVER scene a more despicable liar then the performance of Cheney last Night. He as arrogant as Bush and many times more nasty. The Fact that Bush chose Cheney and has continued to support him demonstrates the depth of GWB flaw in judgment.

I do not have a problem with people that do not agree with me. But when my statements are backed up by the unimpeachable sources I have used it is clear there is no rational basis for attacks that are made on me. I just ignore them as the rabid and uninformed babble of people who support a man I know will go down in history as one of the WORST presidents in our proud history! I know that the damage he has created will take decades to correct and will cause great harm to all of us including the fools that defend him!

You know I have a position, but I wasn't really taking one there, Col. I have to just wonder, after YEARS of this, what do you get from it? Sometimes when I visit your blogs I feel like Dante visiting hell, seeing you guys pushing rocks for eternity.

Proof is your statement that, "Middle East is coming along nicely” You must be on a different planet!!!

I can see where you get that. liberals rarely see the very far down the road. Looking at the long term you can see progress where as if you only look at the road in front of your feet all you see are the bumps and stones. Look at what has changed over the years. Lenanon was fully controlled by Syria and used as a staging area to attack Israel. Now the Government is actively trying to stop that from happening. You see riots and a civil war in Lebanon I see a weak government getting a backbone and standing up against the people that want nothing but war. You see eggs being broken I see an omlet being made. You are a political hack, I am a realist. You failed to take note that I agreed with you in part on the things you say that are not lies even though they make our President look bad. This is because facts are facts.

Col. I have to just wonder, after YEARS of this, what do you get from it? Sometimes when I visit your blogs I feel like Dante visiting hell, seeing you guys pushing rocks for eternity.

Yeah, I felt the same way then I noticed that when he makes his outlandish statements and no one responds he takes that as approval. I will let sanity take hold once again and ignore him from this point on. I will make my points and leave.

Bakerstreet


Given the revelations of what Bush has and is doing to our country, I have had an unending series of results to document. I point these out as well as ways to deal with the issues that are NOT being delta with under the policies we have been following to move forward. We need to understand how the policies that have been tried have worked or not worked to deal with the important issues that face us. I believe we can improve and in some cases solve difficult issues like energy independence. I also know what we have been doing is not achieving that end. That is also the case with many other goals.

I also believe we must shift our policies to spread the benefits and NOT to concentrate them to the benefit of just one economic group as we have been doing! Bush and the GOP have tried to make it look as if the benefits were spread to the various economic sectors, but such is not the case. The clever way the Bush tax cuts were made to look inviting to the middle income taxpayers in year one gave way to the true objective of giving the vast majority of the money to the wealthy that do not need the tax cuts. The mistake of granting the tax cuts to people that do not need them was clearly pointed out by the two wealthiest men in the World when they wrote to Bush and said not to cut taxes for the wealthy BECAUSE THEY DID NEED THE MONEY AND OUR COUNTRY HAD MORE URGENT NEEDS FOR THAT MONEY! That was Gates and Buffet.

yeah, that's basically what I was describing there. Instead of Sisyphus pushing a rock, though, he's standing behind a podium in a room full of people throwing tomatoes at him.

do not have a problem with people that do not agree with me. But when my statements are backed up by the unimpeachable sources I have used it is clear there is no rational basis for attacks that are made on me.

Because we have proved you wrong many times col, and you can never admit it.  Your "data" has been broken down many times, just as when you link to dailykos or quote nostradomus.

You have a right to vote for laws that benefit business. The problem is in November 2006 the majority voted for a change. They did not want more of the Bush/GOP policies. Some laws that help Business do not help the majority of people some do not. For example the tax cuts to BIG OIL.

Yeah, it's sad we spent 40 years fighting the cold war only to start legislating socialism less than two decades after the Berlin Wall came down.

"Yeah, it's sad we spent 40 years fighting the cold war only to start legislating socialism less than two decades after the Berlin Wall came down."

And that's if you don't count our long, slow slide into socialism as beginning with Roosevelt, or Johnson's "Great Society".

IslandDog

You are not proving ME wrong-- You are saying those that are the most knowledgeable do not know what they are talking about. That is just not true. You have not disputed the facts I have used to document the points I have made and just saying that you have proven me wrong means nothing.

Gideon

It has nothing to do with "Legislative socialism” It has to do with how our citizens are being impacted by certain actions of Big Business. I have used Oil as an example just because they are an example where REAL competition has been overwhelmed by consolidation and the power of these companies. They control Supply to increase their profits and in so doing adversely impact every person and business that uses oil-- Everyone. There is nothing wrong with Oil companies increasing prices to offset the higher price they pay for crude Oil. However, they have increased prices far beyond that and the proof is the obscene increase in their profits. When we see the top executives receiving compensation that is not reasonable, that money is being paid by all of us to over compensate a few. Look at what a handful of greedy people did to Enron and the tens of thousands who worked and invested in that company that lost EVERYTHING. In too many cases the actions of large companies is adverse to the welfare of the general population of our country. I come down on the side of reasonable actions by business that does not cause harm to the majority to benefit the FEW!

In the 1950’s CEO’s made 40-50 times what the average worker made. Today that has jumped to 450-500 times what the average worker makes. That is not reasonable and most of us are paying for that excess in CEO compensation! This is just another example of what I am talking about!

" It has to do with how our citizens are being impacted by certain actions of Big Business."

Then put up or shut up and explain how, without socialist pressure, you can fix the problem. How, exactly, can you manage the salaries of the CEOs, in such a way that the money gets back to the workers, without being socialist? Sure, you'd tax the hell out of them, but that money ends up in Congressmen's freezers, not in the hands of workers.

You're good at pointing out problems, but you know that any solution you provide with be something Hugo Chavez would praise you for.

In the 1950’s CEO’s made 40-50 times what the average worker made. Today that has jumped to 450-500 times what the average worker makes. That is not reasonable and most of us are paying for that excess in CEO compensation! This is just another example of what I am talking about!

Do you want income redistribution?  A CEO makes 400 times what a worker does, like Baker said what are you going to do about it?

IslandDog

That is why the wealthy can afford a little higher taxes to help pay for the spending like the $180 Billion Bush wants to spend on the wars.

like the $180 Billion Bush wants to spend on the wars.

I find it hard to believe that you honestly think that Mr. Bush wants to be at war. War is a horrible thing but a necessary thing. Our nation was attacked by a group of people that declared war on us 6 years before Mr. Bush took office. We are still playing catch up because no one did anything about it prior to his election. Your distortion or outright ignorance of the facts has colored your view. I don’t care that you hate the man. I did not like the previous President but facts are facts. We are at war and you seem to think it is more important to berate the man responsible for winning it rather than providing constructive criticism. Did he make mistakes? Yes! Did the opposition party provide helpful answers or suggestions on how to win the war? NO! You say you were an officer in the Army, remember this saying? Lead, Follow or get the hell out of the way! All I see is people like you getting in the way. Wars cost money. The nation was in an 11 billion dollar deficit for WWII because winning is all that matters. The Manhattan project cost 2 billion dollars. Stop giving aid to the enemy with your ignorance please.