Al Qaeda is losing because of America.

from JoeUser Forums
I know that the liberals will dispute this fact but it is hard to deny that they are losing all over the world and it is our strategy that is causing it. Yes, we are fighting a hard battle against terrorists around the world and yes, most people are focusing on Iraq and Afghanistan but the war is not just in those two countries. This is a world wide war that is being fought on many levels.

Al Qaeda (AQ) declared war on the United States in 1995 and attacked us many times prior to 9/11. It was not until the massive attacks on us during 9/11 did America bother to raise its head and notice this band of goat herders.

The lies the liberals tell us as to the reason we were attacked have finally been put to rest. It has nothing to do with poverty since the people that founded AQ were all rich and well educated. Our defending Kuwait in the Gulf war is not the reason since AQ declared war against us before Iraq invaded the nation of Kuwait. Our occupation of Iraq is a lie since the attacks began before we invaded Iraq. We did not go to war for oil because AQ declared war on America when we were not militarily involved in the Middle East. This is not a war for oil if it were we would have not left Kuwait when we kicked Iraq out of the country over a decade ago. The lie told that America is against the religion of Islam or Muslims in general, just that a lie. We aided the Muslims in the war with the Soviet Union, and took the side of the Muslims against the Christians in the Balkans. We are still providing security in the Balkan area to ensure that the Muslims are not wiped out even though we are at war with terrorist who happen to be Muslim.

Now that those lies have been put aside lets get to the point instead of the misdirection of the left for political reasons and from AQ for aid. AQ is losing and it is being noticed around the world even though people fail to see it. Today I noticed a small blurb in the news. It seems that AQ is being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims without any assistance from America. Understanding the Arab mindset when it comes to fighting as I do, I know that if you are on the perceived losing side no one will support you even if your goal is a noble one. Losing means death when the winners take control in that part of the world. It is expected to kill off any and all people that opposed you as proof that you have won. In the case of Somalia, a former haven for AQ in the past, it seemed that they were not interested in having them return, or their Taliban like ways. Why is that, if America is losing so badly? What is it that the American media are missing? To me it seems that the world knows that AQ and their ilk are unwanted in the world and most certainly Muslim nations. America being hated around the world seems to be political propaganda and nations are starting to understand American politics a little better. So far AQ is unwelcome in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, and the UAE, ok this it’s going to take up a lot of space. It is easier to list who is for AQ and their ideology Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Assistance can be found in Germany, France, and Russia but that is fading quickly as they are starting to see the goal of the AQ ideology is the death or conversion of all non Muslim nations and they have no intention of allowing any nation in the world to survive. Small pockets of support are all they have left and the great crusade is seen by the Muslim world as failing.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is hard to believe nobody is interesetd in this but I can understand why the left are quiet. Too many facts and no talking points to guide them yet.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
It seems that AQ is being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims without any assistance from America


it seems nothing of the sort. they're presently on the run from the ethiopians (with an american naval presence offshore to prevent leaders from escaping by sea with american special ops reportedly searching coastal swamp areas ethiopian forces are unable to control) but hardly being kicked outta anywhere by local muslims. i notice you failed to provide a link.

as far as the rest of it goes, this is just laughable:

Too many facts


i musta missed those.
Galactic Civilizations III
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
it seems nothing of the sort. they're presently on the run from the ethiopians (with an american naval presence offshore to prevent leaders from escaping by sea with american special ops reportedly searching coastal swamp areas ethiopian forces are unable to control) but hardly being kicked outta anywhere by local muslims.


You are correct the Ethiopians are Jews not Muslims.
i notice you failed to provide a link.


That is because I did not get this piece of news online. I don't get my news online unless I have to so there was no link to provide. More on this after I go online and get the news.

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Kenya closed its border with Somalia, the foreign minister said Thursday, expressing concern about Islamic militants slipping into the country along with refugees.

"The Kenyan border is officially closed," Foreign Affairs Minister Raphael Tuju told The Associated Press, without saying when the decision was made or how long the border would remain closed.

Kenya has beefed up patrols along its 675-kilometer (400-mile) border with Somalia since troops of Somalia's transitional government, backed by Ethiopian forces, routed an Islamic movement that had controlled most of southern Somalia, including the capital, Mogadishu.

Tuju said that many Somalis seeking asylum in Kenya recently are family members of Islamic militiamen.

"Kenya will not allow combatants and their families to use this country as a base," he told journalists.

Also from the AP:
Islamic militants controlling the Somali capital of Mogadishu and much of the southern part of the country have been driven out by Ethiopian-backed government forces after more than six months in power. The Islamic movement retreated to the southern tip of Somalia and vowed to keep fighting, raising the specter of an Iraq-style guerrilla war.

From AFP:
Rice unveiled an initial urgent aid package of more than 16 million dollars, mainly to provide food to Somalis displaced by fighting between Ethiopian troops backing the government and the Islamic Courts movement.

I could not find anything about US troops could you provide a link?
It is not that I dispute what you write but I have not heard anything on CNN or MSNBC or even the ultra liberal Rush Limbaugh made mention of it.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
It seems that AQ is being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims without any assistance from America


it seems nothing of the sort. they're presently on the run from the ethiopians (with an american naval presence offshore to prevent leaders from escaping by sea with american special ops reportedly searching coastal swamp areas ethiopian forces are unable to control) but hardly being kicked outta anywhere by local muslims. i notice you failed to provide a link.

as far as the rest of it goes, this is just laughable:

Too many facts


i musta missed those.


Enough facts for ya KB? That is unless you consider AP to be a bunch of liars?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I could not find anything about US troops could you provide a link?


from the guardian
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Kingbee,

Nice try. You give me too much credit.I posted the article on the first of the month and you cite an aritcle dated the 5th of the month. I disputed your claim on the 4th of the month, I stopped reading the guardian 10 years ago when I left the UK. Back to the point at hand, How can you hold me accountable for articles that did not exist when I posted my article? I know you are a few hours ahead of me but 4 days ahead is a little much for me to be responsible for.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I disputed your claim on the 4th of the month


until you bumped your article on the 4th (claiming irrefutable fact was the reason for no response), i hadn't seen it. in any event, mogadishu was no longer in control of the islamic courts as of december 28, 2006 thanks to the ethiopian military. contrary to your original statement, there were--and may still be-- several high-level members of aq in somalia who were associated with the islamic courts union.

neither they nor the islamic courts union were--as you put it--"being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims".

i'm not sure what claim of mine you were disputing.

Enough facts for ya KB?


apparently you've once again missed the point entirely doc. without question the islamic courts union has been overthrown. they were not deposed by somali muslims...one of a number of questionable assertions paladin represents as fact.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
neither they nor the islamic courts union were--as you put it--"being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims".


Let's see, there are only two countries that border Somalia, Kenya has closed the border to the radicals and has inserted troops to ensure the bad guys don't enter thier nation. Ethiopia has closed its border and inserted troops pushing the radicals out of the country. The only other place for them to run is the by boat. and now we have the US Navy sitting off shore in international waters, and possibly spec ops forces on the ground. The AP reporter says that it is becoming like the Iraqi situation. I know that liberals call this America losing the war but I have learned that it is liberal speak for the bad guys are losing. Being: present tense meaning it is currently happening.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
what does any of that have to do with al quaeda "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims"?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
what does any of that have to do with al quaeda "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims"?


Ok, show me reports of locals supporting them because I have not seen any. Granted that AQ has some friends in country as they do all over the world but I don't see them being welcomed with open arms and flowers like our troops were.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
show me reports of locals supporting them


nice try.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not a nice try, it was an honest question. I have not found the information you write about so I asked you to show me where you found it.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not a nice try, it was an honest question. I have not found the information you write about so I asked you to show me where you found it.


He won't, because he can't.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
He won't, because he can't.


I suspect you are correct, but to be honest I have to give him a chance to back up his statements before I dismiss them.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
He won't, because he can't.


suspect you are correct, but to be honest I have to give him a chance to back up his statements before I dismiss them.


before the two of you wander even further into deeper fantasyland, lemme remind of the following:

1. paladin as author of the original post has responsibility for supporting his contention al quaeda was "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims". to this point, he's avoided addressing the issue.

2. i've no idea why he's asking me to provide evidence of local muslims supporting al quaeda. i made no such claim (altho it seems obvious islamic courts union has been doing just that).

please don't pretend you're cutting me slack when you're really just attempting to confuse the issue rather than admit your error.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
before the two of you wander even further into deeper fantasyland, lemme remind of the following:

1. paladin as author of the original post has responsibility for supporting his contention al quaeda was "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims". to this point, he's avoided addressing the issue.


Did that.

2. i've no idea why he's asking me to provide evidence of local muslims supporting al quaeda. i made no such claim (altho it seems obvious islamic courts union has been doing just that).


As I understand it your contention is that the radicals are not being kicked out of the country. I provied that proof as you asked. I then asked for your proof that what I posted was wrong. You cited an article that came out 4 days after my article. Logic would lead me to think that if you believe these people are not being kicked out then they must have some approval from the locals and from there I asked what would lead you to think this. My fault you don't seem to think that way. I never said my facts or statements were irrefutable I said they had not been refuted at the time of my post.

please don't pretend you're cutting me slack when you're really just attempting to confuse the issue rather than admit your error.


I believe that anyone that disagrees with me on my statements should be allowed to come at me with all they have and debate ideas. This seems strange to you. I do not cut people slack but I am fair and honest. Being honest is how you learn and or confirm ones point of view.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
As I understand it your contention is that the radicals are not being kicked out of the country


well there ya go. you're obviously not reading my responses, not comprehending them...or both.

from my reply #2:

they're presently on the run from the ethiopians (with an american naval presence offshore to prevent leaders from escaping by sea


from my reply #8

in any event, mogadishu was no longer in control of the islamic courts as of december 28, 2006 thanks to the ethiopian military


and from the same entry addressed to drmiler who also seemed to have a problem distinguishing between "It seems that AQ is being kicked out of Somalia"--which is clearly the case--and "It seems that AQ is being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims" although i truly can't fathom how or why. dog bites man isn't news; man bites dog is. it would truly be remarkable IF muslims were truly doing the aq kicking as you seem to believe.

apparently you've once again missed the point entirely doc. without question the islamic courts union has been overthrown. they were not deposed by somali muslims...one of a number of questionable assertions paladin represents as fact.


how could i have better clarified the issue?????

from my reply #10:

what does any of that have to do with al quaeda "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims"?


in case all of this continues to elude you, let me give it one more try.

somalia's islamic courts union which had supported and been supported by al quaeda has been defeated and its members and al quaeda allies have been on the run since the last week in december 2006.

there is NO evidence whatsoever they were or are now "being kicked out of Somalia by the local Muslims".

got it????
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Logic would lead me to think that if you believe these people are not being kicked out


sure. blame it on logic.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are correct I was wrong.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are correct I was wrong.


six words far too rarely employed.

i'm impressed.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
i'm impressed.


Don't be impressed. It is called being intellectually honest. Just because I favor a point of view does not mean that I am married to it. I go with what I see as right and correct rather than what is comfortable. If col Gene were to do that he would have more people give what he says with a clear head. I opposed what you wrote because you normally take a point of view opposite of mine. I misread what you wrote using the eyes of someone in a debate. It happens rarely and when I make that mistake I admit it. I foolishly expect this from all the people I debate.

Just think of what would happen if we all did this. But being idealistic and a romantic I will always be one of the few that think this way.