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Are ''Palestinians'' Muslims?

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Are ''Palestinians'' Muslims?

from JoeUser Forums
Just a few points, perhaps they are all wrong.

1. The Quran refers to Canaan as the land G-d gave to the people of Israel, but the "Palestinians" insist that it be called by the name the Greek and Roman pagans gave to it.

2. The worst murderer of Muslims ever has been executed and the "Palestinians" mourn his death.

3. The King of Jordan, of Muhammed's family and of the traditional ruling family of the holy cities of Islam (until the Saudis violently took over), wants peace with the people of Israel, but the "Palestinians" defy his authority.


Why are these people still considered Muslims? What could they possibly do that would show their disrespect for the Quran and fellow Muslims as well as the followers of the other heavenly religions even more?

What would Muhammed call those who defy the authority of his family, who insist on using pagan rather than Islamic names for a holy land, and who cheer for the murderers of millions of Muslims? I somehow doubt he would consider them faithful Muslims. But perhaps I am wrong.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Seriously, answer this. Were Americans bad Christians for mourning the death of Ulysses S. Grant or Abraham Lincoln? Under his leadership how many American Christians were killed?

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
would expect a follower of the one true god (i.e. Allah) to REJECT a pagan name for a holy land, ESPECIALLY when that name was given to the land specifically to erase the land's connection with Allah.


I would expect that you would not want to make this statement since Jews are not pagans. The Jews that chose to settle in the area called themselves Palestinian until they declared the land the nation of Israel after the UN gave them the land as a homeland for the Jews. If you do a little research you will find that Islam recognizes Israel as a nation and a people. Keep in mind that Muslims owe their heritage to the Jews since they are the children of Abraham. I would also suggest you study harder because Islam is the youngest monotheistic religion coming up about 700 years after Christ showed up on the scene.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

I would expect that you would not want to make this statement since Jews are not pagans.



??? I don't see where you are coming from here. I never said Jews were pagans.


If you do a little research you will find that Islam recognizes Israel as a nation and a people. Keep in mind that Muslims owe their heritage to the Jews since they are the children of Abraham.


Ehm, that was sort of my point when I pointed out "Palestinian" inconsistencies with Islam.



I would also suggest you study harder because Islam is the youngest monotheistic religion coming up about 700 years after Christ showed up on the scene.


And when exactly did I say anything different??? Did you even read my article?



Seriously, answer this. Were Americans bad Christians for mourning the death of Ulysses S. Grant or Abraham Lincoln?


No. A good Christian would mourn the death of another decent person, as I said.

You seem to assume that I share your apparent view of Lincoln and Grant being evil people? I do not. I do not blame them for the deaths caused by a war they had to fight to preserve the nation they swore to serve.

I blame the south for keeping slaves, for claiming that individual rights of people are "state's rights", and for breaking the pact with the northern states by rebelling against a legitimate government.

BUT if any self-proclaimed Christian would mourn Lincon's death BECAUSE of the more questionable acts of his, THEN I'd say that perhaps that Christian is not a good Christian.




Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
"You seem to assume that I share your apparent view of Lincoln and Grant being evil people?"


Nope, what you said was a good Muslim wouldn't mourn the death of the greatest "murderer" of Muslims. The brutality of the North during the civil war easily equaled Hussein, and has anyone been responsible for killing more Americans than Lincoln? Sherman is synonymous with a war of attrition against civilians, and yet they begged him to run for President AFTERWARD.

You just differ on "murder" and what it means. You blame the South, but the North baited the military conflict over an ideal, and broke peace agreements to do it. Grant, Sherman, Lincoln all would be considered war criminals now in my opinion. Yet, we celebrated their victories, and we mourned their deaths.

We celebrated the deaths of "japs" in WW2, we rejoiced when we heard the newsreels tell us the "kraut" body count. Good Christians? We make people like Richard the Lionhearted heroes and he had Jews KILLED.

Given we have photos of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein and that the US funded HUssein during his largest effort to "murder" muslims... well, we have no right to condemn the Palestinians for being a little conflicted now, do we? When we opposed the Iranians he was our friend, too.

As for the word they use for "Palestine", I think I've pointed out it holds no water. I've asked you to point out the appropriate Koranic term and you can't, because there isn't one. "Palestine" was in use long before Islam came to be, so you really can't pretend it is a term that was used to harm Islam, or Judaism, considering Jews were using it too.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Killing in a war is not "murder".


I've asked you to point out the appropriate Koranic term and you can't,


"The Quran refers to Canaan as the land G-d gave to the people of Israel"

Accept that as an answer or don't. But stop pretending that I didn't give you what I consider the answer to your question.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

"Palestine" was in use long before Islam came to be, so you really can't pretend it is a term that was used to harm Islam, or Judaism, considering Jews were using it too.


What is it with you people pretending that I said that Islam is older than the word "Palestine"??? I never said that.

What I did say was that "Palestina" was the name the pagans gave to the land. They did it to insult the Jews and the god of the Jews, who is, incidentally, the god of Islam.

I find it weird that so-called Muslims would call a land by the name given to it a) by pagans and b) to insult the god they believe in. That's all. It has nothing to do with the age of Islam or the age of the word "Palestine".

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
??? I don't see where you are coming from here. I never said Jews were pagans.


May I suggest you read all the replies. Mine was not directed at you or your post but a reply to a reply.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
""The Quran refers to Canaan as the land G-d gave to the people of Israel""


The word Canaan isn't in the Koran. Please tell me what word they should be using. Unless you expect them to walk around saying "The Land God Gave to the People of Israel" every time they need to refer to it.

You also ignore the fact that Jews in Palestine were using the word before there was an Islam. Why would they be insulting their own God? Could you point out the borders of what you are talking about?

"What I did say was that "Palestina" was the name the pagans gave to the land. They did it to insult the Jews and the god of the Jews, who is, incidentally, the god of Islam."


Dunno where you got that. Could you cite something that lends to that? The term refers to the word Philistine, in reality. Josephus used the word, I pointed out the word is used in the KJV, it was used by Jews long before there was an Islam.

So... I really don't think you even have a point here, you're just grumping.

"I find it weird that so-called Muslims would call a land by the name given to it a) by pagans and b) to insult the god they believe in. That's all. It has nothing to do with the age of Islam or the age of the word "Palestine"."


Could you prove that the word "Palestine" was used to insult the Hebrew God. Tell me who used it that way. What is the insult? Where do you find it used as an insult toward the Hebrew God?

How is it an insult to God if Jews, themselves, used it? Israelis use the term now widely. You won't even SPELL the word God, yet you expect me to believe that Jews haphazardly used a word that was intended blasphemously?

Are you just making this up?
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
The term refers to the word Philistine, in reality.


Which, of course, reduces the possibility of insult. I think Rome traded with the Philistines in its early years, or at least knew the area as home to a trading colony. Why not call it what history called it?