1.3 versus 1.4X

AFAIK there is no specific score modifier based on versions, but the changes in each version of the game naturally make certain parts of the game easier or harder, which can affect how easily you get points in each category (population, research, income, etc).

Quixen,

If you look through some profiles like Story Teller or Magnumanic (same person btw) you will see that huge scores were possible on 1.2, on 1.3 they tend to get a bit lower on average as opposed to 1.2. It 'feels' like 1.4 is slightly lower than 1.3. These are just observations though and like kryo said the score you are getting is affected by the nerf and not a change in scoring dynamics.

I don't know for sure but I do not think playing an eariler version will cause any penality.

I don't know for sure but I do not think playing an eariler version will cause any penality.

It is worth noting though that older versions may have bugs that can lead to cheat flags, however.

I think the scores went down a little at first with 1.4, but as people have learned the current version the scores are rising again. Look at the one Purge posted not long ago, 394K. The scores are still there to be had, just seem to have to work a little harder for it now.

I am busy trying to reproduce that kind of score with info about his game. Not having any luck though. AFAIK that is the highest score in recent history. Even beating out Mag's 1.2 games.

I do beleive a 500K game is possible though. Just need the right combimation of luck and skill.

So if I understand correctly, the high scores are still possible in 1.4X just harder to achieve and there is no penalty for using an earlier version... However,

It is worth noting though that older versions may have bugs that can lead to cheat flags, however.

As the GalCiv2 game is updated from version to version, is the Metaverse also updated to look for other "cheats" causing the older versions to raise flags?

When Dark Avatar is released, are DA games going to be able to be posted along side those who continue to play 1.4X?

Will there be a scoring difference implemented on the Metaverse to "even out" scoring across all the versions?

I guess the reason why I am asking these questions is because I am getting to the point now where I may be ready to make a run for the top 25. I wish to know as much as I can regarding the scoring possibilities especially with DA due to be release within the next couple of months.

Thanks again Deth, Kryo, and Fuels for your replies, taking time out of your Christmas Day to answer my questions. Merry Christmas All and Happy New Year!

When Dark Avatar is released, are DA games going to be able to be posted along side those who continue to play 1.4X?

AFAIK yes.

Will there be a scoring difference implemented on the Metaverse to "even out" scoring across all the versions?

Not to my knowledge.

Just to add my 2 cents. AFAIK it's still perfectly legitimate to post v1.2 games, it's just not really done. As I'm about the slowest player out there, I feel it's fine to finish a game started with the current rev at the time, but I would never start a new game on an older rev.

There is an apples to oranges comparison between some of the versions. Between v1.2, v1.3 and v1.4 there has been a slight downward trend but nothing dramatic. With DA coming and v1.4x supposedly coexisting with it, it remains to be seen just exactly what will happen. If scoring potential between the two versions of the game is comparable than I could see both games coexisting on the metaverse. If one version or the other has a significant difference in scores a number of other things might happen. These include the virtual snubbing of one version over the other in the MV, to the recalculation of scores of one or the other version, or even the effective treatment of a DA MV vs. a v1.4x MV. But so far the latest rev has become the deFacto standard.

I guess the reason why I am asking these questions is because I am getting to the point now where I may be ready to make a run for the top 25.

It is regretable but your best bet would be to start a new character. The MV has a pretty steep penalty for the number of games submitted. This isn't true of the AltMeta that Kryo has at the core.

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You could start a new character. But I will say that it is possible to to enter the top 10 with your current. I am at 4th in Meta and 1st in Alt Meta and have only used 1 character and have played since the DL beta. Perhaps a new character for DA games and the same one for DL games.

Thanks again Kryo and thanks for the information Mumble.

I do have a quick question on the penalty you are referring to however. I am currently playing my 15th game. I understand that the sum of depreciated scores is divided by the number of games^.4 .

I also understand games will depreciate in point value by a percentage every 30 days. If my scores continue to rise and I continue to play with the same character, will it really take that much longer to break the top 25? Or are you saying that with the amount of games I have already played is to great, and that i would have to play a dozen more than I would if I started over?

I would really hate to start over. If however you think it will be the only way ( with the scores I currently have ) to achieve a top 25 ranking. I guess I have no other choice.

What do you think?

Edit: You got your reply in before I could reply to Mumble, Fuels.

Fuels, you really think I have a shot with the scores I have on my account thus far, If I begin to post scores in the 40 to 50K range?

Yes. But only if it is still fun to play at the level required to get those points. I stayed away from suicidal for a while because I did not think it would be fun. Now that I have completed the first one I find that it is still fun because it is more difficult. It would be easier with a new character or to delete the scores for your current character and play that one again.

My for two cents. First, I think it's possible, but harder, Quixen. If you look at my profile, you will see that I also have a number of comparatively small game scores early on.

If I where ranking the best for scoring, I think it would go 1.2, 1.4, 1.31. But I am with FC in believing that a 500K game is possible with 1.4.

have only used 1 character and have played since the DL beta

This is indeed true, but FC is a machine that can finish a gigantic suicidal in 30 hours. The corresponding game probably takes me closer to 200 hours.

Certainly FC is living proof that one can score high in the MV with a lot of quick low scoring games, but you're definitely fighting an uphill battle. You'll also notice that FC's scores have been significantly increasing as well.

There's no doubt that reaching the top 25 will take less games if you start over. There's also no doubt that you can reach the top 25 with the character you have. The question is how much harder will it be to do and whether or not the extra effort is worth it to keep your current character.

For your 15th submission you only get credit for about 1/3 of the points you score. If you start a new character and post a 300K game, you'll be in 13th place. If you post the same 300K game to your current character you'll move up to somewhere around 50th. A second 300K game would put a new character into 7th. A second 300K game to your current character would put you in about 20th.

If these are 200K games instead of 300K games it's 28th and 13th for the new character and about 77th and 36th for your current character. The lower the score of your new games the more important it is to start over.

Really, playing the game that's most fun for you is the best advice. As I said, it's regrettable to abandon a character that you've put in such effort with and gotten your racial medal, but the following shows the percentage of each new score that you get "credit" for based on games submitted.

1 (100.0%)
2 (75.8%)
3 (64.4%)
4 (57.4%)
5 (52.5%)
6 (48.8%)
7 (45.9%)
8 (43.5%)
9 (41.5%)
10 (39.8%)
11 (38.3%)
12 (37.0%)
13 (35.8%)
14 (34.8%)
15 (33.9%)
16 (33.0%)
17 (32.2%)
18 (31.5%)
19 (30.8%)
20 (30.2%)
21 (29.6%)
22 (29.0%)
23 (28.5%)
24 (28.0%)
25 (27.6%)
26 (27.2%)
27 (26.8%)
28 (26.4%)
29 (26.0%)
30 (25.7%)
31 (25.3%)
32 (25.0%)

BTW I tried to post this as a single post but it appeared to hang so I posted it in 2 pieces. Sometimes this has resulted in a double posting. What will happen this time is anyone's guess.

I am pretty decent at the game but my highest score thus far is 16500 pts... 300,000 points a game seems... uh... a little out of my league. I am pretty sure I would be able to hit 50K somewhere in the near future.

If I delete the games under this current character will those scores be subtracted from my current empire as well?

Yes.

I would be able to hit 50K somewhere in the near future.

You'll hit 50K and then you'll hit 75K and probably you will hit 300K eventually. It's really just a matter of time and seeing what works for you. 16K for a medium military conquest will easily turn into probably 75K on a gigantic abundant all with loose clusters or scattered planets. These usually result in galaxies with 450 ~ 500 planets. That plus abundant anomalies with your standard game will give you 75K easy. 100K with a bit of score optimization will also be easy. From 100K to 200K is just more of the same. What was hard becomes easy.

I wouldn't delete games under your current character. You probably want to use him as your default for medals displayed with posts for awhile anyway. Just create a new character and start posting games under that one.

I really appreciate all the help and support you guys have given me. It feels good to know that there are actually people out there who care about other players even if they are not part of their Empire.

It really stinks that I have to start over...

However, I do look forward to the challenge and will do what I have to do.

One other question and then I will leave you guys alone for awhile... (that is of course if I don't have any other questions after this.)

I joined the H.C.H. about a month ago and have only posted 2 games under that banner. Are those the only games that were added to the empires overall score or did the Empire take all the games I have submitted?

Are those the only games that were added to the empires overall score or did the Empire take all the games I have submitted?

It doesn't matter when you posted any games--your total score is added to the empire's, and if you leave, you take your score with you.