Dilemma in Iraq



What to do in Iraq is the lump of coal in George’s Christmas stocking. To "Stay the Course" is politically unacceptable. To withdraw says Bush was wrong. To temporarily add more troops may do nothing but create more casualties and spend more money.

The generals have a very good point-They want to understand just what adding more troops will produce other then increasing the strain on the military.

The truth is that Bush has NO GOOD options in Iraq. Six months from now we will most likely see a situation as bad or worse no matter what choice Bush makes! Bush has painted himself into a corner and our military is paying the price.
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Bush can make several decisions that will help the situtation, but that doesn't matter because people like you will still complain no matter what he does.  You have made the decision in your mind that we have lost, and nothing Bush does will make you happy, so why do you bother to keep posting the same articles?

 

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To do nothing new is politically unacceptable.


To do nothing? That makes no sense, something has to be done, even if it's the same thing from before. Your point is pointless cause even repetition is something.

To withdraw says Bush was wrong.


Didn't Polosi say the same thing after being voted in, or what ever? And it's not was, it's is. It is wrong.

To temporarily add more troops may do nothing but create more casualties and spend more money.


Key word here, may, of course how could you know if you don't try? It's not like you can see into the future.

I would like to know how is it that you, Col, seem to believe that the only solution to this problem in Iraq will need to be free of errors, no dead people, no waste of money, no hatred, etc. How can we fix or eliminate the problem of Iraq without losing any more soldiers, not allowing any more innocent Iraqis to die, not spending another dollar and having world peace? If you can't answer this question, your who argument is pointless.
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Let's Put this aside for 6 months and take another look!
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To not see any of your useless points for 6 months would be the best Christmas gift Santa could ever give me. BTW, I noticed you've been working hard putting your President down on here lately, I take it your family will have a pretty sad Christmas since you seem to spend more time dreaming up ways to put down this country more and more. I'm glad I'm not related to you, God forbid I would have to deal with your hatred day in and day out.
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It is sad you think Iraq is useless. You problem is that all you can do is defend the idiot we have in the White House. You are part of the 25% that refuse to see the harm Bush has done to our country!!!!!
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All I hear from people like you is how the President harmed the country, is not fighting the war correctly, but when people try to pin you down to specifics all you do is repost what others wrote rather than speeking your mind. Far be it for me to suggest that you are mindless but your actions do give that impression. when asked what would be the best way to solve the problem the answer in never heard other than getting rid of the president. That won't happen because he still has about 2 years left. so you have no viable solutions to your complaints. Why do you bother to even post them?
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Pladin 77

What has Bush done that has and will cause harm to our country:

Iraq- 3,000 dead, 22,000 injured and 1/2 Trillion Dollars to create MORE enemies and make us LESS safe at home.

Deficit - $3 Trillion more on the National Debt with more to come.

Discord - At Home and thought the world there is more rancor and hate since Bush took over then in many decades.

Energy - We are more dependent on foreign oil, energy is more expensive for ALL of us and we do not have a policy in place to change this picture.

Social Security - Another six years have gone by and we move closer to the issue of HOW to pay for the Baby Boomer Retirement. The Bush plan would have made that worse.

Health - 2 million more Americans have no health care and we have NO plan to deal with this issue.

Trade - The trade deficit has more then DOUBLED under Bush. He expanded a policy that failed under Clinton and he will not act to stop China from abusing property rights and currency manipulation.

Military - His inaction to increase the size of our military for 6 years, even though he said it was TOO small in 2000, has caused serious harm to both Active ands Reserve forces.

Environment - He has dismantled regulations to protect the environment and ignores global warming which is taking place.

Performance of his appointees - He has appointed people with no experience that have failed to do their jobs which has harmed many Americans and wasted our tax dollars.

Spending - He is totally irresponsible. He got the largest NEW entitlement passed (Part D) WITH NO WAY TO PAY FOR THE ADDED COST! He and the GOP spend more then they tax and create a deficit EVERY year he was in office. He will leave office with a fiscal situation in shambles that will be left for the next President to face.

Education – Passed a new policy and then failed to provide the money to try and make it work.

Border and ports – Over 5 years after 9/11 we have not protected our borders or our ports. WHY? Bush did not request the manpower HE SAID WAS REQUIRED to enforce border security. WHY?

These are the major things I know Bush has done that will cause HARM to All of us in the future.
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Now Woodward has released interviews with President Ford where he said he did not agree with invading Iraq. I love it. As the Republicans are praising Ford, it is revealed that Ford thinks Bush was wrong but did not want it released until he died! GWB just can not win!
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Now Woodward has released interviews with President Ford where he said he did not agree with invading Iraq. I love it. As the Republicans are praising Ford, it is revealed that Ford thinks Bush was wrong but did not want it released until he died! GWB just can not win!

So?  Whats more pathetic is the media using Fords death to bash Bush, just as you are.  He was entitled to his opinion, no big deal and no breaking news there.

While I could go through your list of liberal talking points, and they are direct talking points from the DNC, you are shameful on some.

Discord - At Home and thought the world there is more rancor and hate since Bush took over then in many decades.

I can't stop laughing at this.  You are so concerned about people who are more worried about Saddam being hanged.  People have always hated the U.S., they just hate us more because we decided to fight terrorism instead of appease it.  Deal with it.

Health - 2 million more Americans have no health care and we have NO plan to deal with this issue.

Have no health care or no health insurance?  Most people have access to some kind of healthcare, its the issue of how it gets paid where people tend to blur the line.  Paying for healthcare is not the responsibility of the federal government.  If you want free healthcare go to some socialist country to get it.

Education – Passed a new policy and then failed to provide the money to try and make it work.

Bush has increased education spending tremendously.  However, your liberal talking points don't seem to mention that, they just focus on something against Bush.

Environment - He has dismantled regulations to protect the environment and ignores global warming which is taking place.

Global warming caused by humans is a myth, and there is nothing Bush can do about it. 

These are the major things I know Bush has done that will cause HARM to All of us in the future.

Why do people on the left have to be so dramatic and emotional?  Nothing you have mentioned is causing harm to me and most people.  The mayor of your town has a more dramatic effect on your life than Bush does.  Bush does not contorl you life col, it's time to move on.

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Island Dog

There is not a SINGLE issue I sighted that you have disproved.

Pres Ford is just another in a long line of people that believe Bush Screwed up in Iraq. This has NOTHING to do with the DNC.

What other nations think of us is VERY important given the need to have cooperation by other countries to deal with terrorism. A poll yesterday said Bush is the GREATEST evil in the world today. He is far ahead of Saddam or Ben Laden.

Bush has under funded what HE SAID WAS NEEDED in his No Child Left behind Act by over $24 Billion. What ever he and the GOP provided is still, by his own estimate, $24 Billion SHORT!

No one knows if what we are doing is making global warming worse. But if we are creating this problem the consequences will be catastrophic!

There were other issues I listed like the debt and trade. Everything I mentioned Bush has either made worse or FAILED to help solve over the past 6 years. Those issues harm most Americans. You keep making believe they do not cause harm. That will not alter the fact that the major issues I listed ALL have a VERY negative impact on our lives and the lives of our children!
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What other nations think of us is VERY important given the need to have cooperation by other countries to deal with terrorism. A poll yesterday said Bush is the GREATEST evil in the world today. He is far ahead of Saddam or Ben Laden.

What poll was that?  Because anybody who thinks that is just plain stupid, or ignorant beyond belief.  Saddam gassed his woman and children, put them in mass graves, but Bush is worse.  What a joke. 

Bush has under funded what HE SAID WAS NEEDED in his No Child Left behind Act by over $24 Billion. What ever he and the GOP provided is still, by his own estimate, $24 Billion SHORT!

You once again failed to acknowledge what I posted.  Bush has put more money into education than any other President in recent times. 

No one knows if what we are doing is making global warming worse. But if we are creating this problem the consequences will be catastrophic!

So if nobody knows what we are doing about global warming, how can you blame Bush for not doing anything about it? 

There were other issues I listed like the debt and trade. Everything I mentioned Bush has either made worse or FAILED to help solve over the past 6 years. Those issues harm most Americans. You keep making believe they do not cause harm. That will not alter the fact that the major issues I listed ALL have a VERY negative impact on our lives and the lives of our children!

Like I said before, you are over dramatic about it.  We here have debunked most of your claims, and shown you postive things that have happened, especially with the economy, but you constantly choose to ignore it. 

Gloom and doom is what you have predicted and none of it came true.  Where is the draft you said was going to happen?  You debate on emotion and scare tactics, and statements that Bush is causing negative effects on everyones lives is just plain rhetoric.

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Island Dog

You are the one that failed to read what I posted. I acknowledged he added funding. That does NOT alter the fact that even with the added funding; Bush is $24 Billion BELOW WHAT HE SAID WAS NEEDED!

Bush has dismantled environmental protection. When his first head of EPA did not end environmental safeguards fast enough, he fired her.

You have not DEBUNKED ANY of the issues I have made. The impact of Social Security, Medicare, the national Debt and the cost to replace the equipment for the Army, Marines, National Guard and Reserve will be massive. The doubling of the trade deficit to over $800 Billion PER YEAR. NOT ONE of those issues is anything but massive. Taken together spells disaster for our country in the future!
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But if we are creating this problem the consequences will be catastrophic!



The two biggest word in the English language.

You have not DEBUNKED ANY of the issues I have made. The impact of Social Security, Medicare, the national Debt and the cost to replace the equipment for the Army, Marines, National Guard and Reserve will be massive. The doubling of the trade deficit to over $800 Billion PER YEAR. NOT ONE of those issues is anything but massive. Taken together spells disaster for our country in the future!


Even if he had, you'd still deny it. So what's the point? And I hate to tell you this but...your theories have been ritually debunked in many of the threads on JU. And not just once or twice, but over and over again.
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You and others have said that without disproving ANYTHING I HAVE SAID. YOU ignore ALL the Facts and sources I sight if the show King George to be wrong!
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You and others have said that without disproving ANYTHING I HAVE SAID. YOU ignore ALL the Facts and sources I sight if the show King George to be wrong!

Col, are you saying you do not ignore things that are posted to you?  We have shown how you manipulate the "facts" to suite your far left agenda. 

But you know what col, I'm not bothering with you anymore.  You have an obsession with Bush, and nothing anybody presents to you will change that.

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Island Dog

You and some others on JoeUser are so unable to admit the truth; you lash out at anyone and anything that does not agree with you preconceived ideas no matter how far they are from reality. My Blog Site is to present the truth about Bush and every day brings issues and facts to the surface that shows just how poor a leader Bush has been for our country! The harm Bush has done will continue to come to light and the next President will be stuck cleaning up the mess he will leave.
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It is sad you think Iraq is useless.


You are the most stupid person I have ever met online. Not once did I say that Iraq is useless, it is you who thinks they are worthless that you are willing to remove our soldiers from Iraq and leave the Iraqis to survive on their own. I recommend you avoid putting words in my mouth that I never said.

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My Blog Site is to present the truth about Bush and every day brings issues and facts to the surface that shows just how poor a leader Bush has been for our country


Col, your blog site is pure propganda.  You have been proven wrong countless times and you still can't accept that fact.
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You and others have said that without disproving ANYTHING I HAVE SAID. YOU ignore ALL the Facts and sources I sight if the show King George to be wrong!


You have been PROVEN wrong by many people from Brad on down, countless times. You just "refuse" to own up to it. Face it, you are a worthless turd in the cesspool of life.
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Iraq- 3,000 dead, 22,000 injured and 1/2 Trillion Dollars to create MORE enemies and make us LESS safe at home.


Tell me of a war that did not have dead people involved. The fact that we have such low numbers of dead is more than amazing.

Deficit - $3 Trillion more on the National Debt with more to come.


In every national crisis there is a spike in the national debit. Please show me a time when this was not the case.

Discord - At Home and thought the world there is more rancor and hate since Bush took over then in many decades.


Yeah, the same has been said of every President since Mr. Wilson.

Energy - We are more dependent on foreign oil, energy is more expensive for ALL of us and we do not have a policy in place to change this picture.


So is the rest of the world, well most of the world and it is due to prosperity. The more prosperous the nation becomes the more it will consume, look at China, India, and South Korea all major consumers of energy because they are growing. Would you prefer we go into economic decline?

Social Security - Another six years have gone by and we move closer to the issue of HOW to pay for the Baby Boomer Retirement. The Bush plan would have made that worse.


Since the Clinton administration predicted that ss would go broke in 2005 and it has not would tend to suggest that the Bush plan is working to save ss not hurt it.

Health - 2 million more Americans have no health care and we have NO plan to deal with this issue.


Why is it the governments responsibility to provide health care? It has not been in the past how is it that Mr. Bush has to take care of that problem?

Trade - The trade deficit has more then DOUBLED under Bush. He expanded a policy that failed under Clinton and he will not act to stop China from abusing property rights and currency manipulation.


True but some concessions have to be made to get China on our side in other things. We can always make up the trade loss somewhere else when we have to. The war on terror and the little problem in North Korea need to be handled in a way that works.

Military - His inaction to increase the size of our military for 6 years, even though he said it was TOO small in 2000, has caused serious harm to both Active ands Reserve forces.


I disbelieve this is a harm to the military. Inconvenient and ill advised yes, but not harmful yet. It will slow us down in our war on terror if we choose to attack Iran. Remember that all congress needs to do is increase the limit on the military and we can be up and running in 18 months or less.

Environment - He has dismantled regulations to protect the environment and ignores global warming which is taking place.


Not true, Mr. Bush acknowledges global warming but does not believe that man is the cause for it. Since no serious scientist has come out and stated that man is the cause for global warming what do you want him to do? Just remember that the UN just recanted their theory that man was a contributing factor in global warming and that cow farts were the biggest problem. So it looks like the President was correct on this round.

Performance of his appointees - He has appointed people with no experience that have failed to do their jobs which has harmed many Americans and wasted our tax dollars.


Yeah? Name them. Don't give me the Katrina junk because that is mostly politics that is out of the presidents hands. Money has been given to the states to do with as they see fit and only one state is having trouble. With more than 50% of the first batch of money still unspent it is not the Federal Governmetns falt that the locals have not spent it.

Spending - He is totally irresponsible. He got the largest NEW entitlement passed (Part D) WITH NO WAY TO PAY FOR THE ADDED COST! He and the GOP spend more then they tax and create a deficit EVERY year he was in office. He will leave office with a fiscal situation in shambles that will be left for the next President to face.


Right, and just like in every war time situation this nation has faced we are in the hole. And you are supprised by this? Your cheif complaint above was he was doing nothing for health care and now you complain that he is busting the budget on health care.

Education – Passed a new policy and then failed to provide the money to try and make it work.


Please tell me what extra money do you need to ensure that the students learn? All that is required is that teachers teach and students learn basics, if not then the money needs to be spend somewhere else cause the local governmetns that you state pay the bulk of the school funding not doing the job.

Border and ports – Over 5 years after 9/11 we have not protected our borders or our ports. WHY? Bush did not request the manpower HE SAID WAS REQUIRED to enforce border security. WHY?


Yet we somehow are able to stop the terrorist from coming into the nation and harm us. Why, how? We have only so much money to spend. wasting it on Homeland Security Department, and TSA which the Democrats demanded be done took that money away from where it was needed.

These are the major things I know Bush has done that will cause HARM to All of us in the future.


Not bad, most of the things you list are not under the control of the President.

Now Woodward has released interviews with President Ford where he said he did not agree with invading Iraq. I love it.


You shold learn to read. Mr. Ford said he did not agree with the reason of WMD for going to war. He supported the war and felt it was needed but Saddams support of terrorist was a better reason though it would not carry far with the UN.

What other nations think of us is VERY important given the need to have cooperation by other countries to deal with terrorism. A poll yesterday said Bush is the GREATEST evil in the world today.


Yeah right, that same poll put the President as the greatest hero of the year as well. Nice of you to miss that part.

You have not DEBUNKED ANY of the issues I have made.


What is the point? I debunked them and you respond with repeating what you said. Others debunk what you write and you respond by repeating what you stated before. I showed you a copy of the 2000 Federal Budget written by President Clinton which debunked your myth of a balanced budget and you don't even say you were wrong and then you come out with this stuff that is an open faced lie on the budget. Why should people attempt to debunk you again and again when you ignore facts and embrace lies?

You and some others on JoeUser are so unable to admit the truth; you lash out at anyone and anything that does not agree with you preconceived ideas no matter how far they are from reality.


When people pull up facts written by Democrats that make your statements look stupid and you cling to them anyway it is not us that has a problem with reality, or preconceived ideas.

My Blog Site is to present the truth about Bush and every day brings issues and facts to the surface that shows just how poor a leader Bush has been for our country!


If that was true then you are doing a piss poor job of it. Most people here left or right will admit when they are wrong yet you have failed to do so on almost every occasion where you have been proven wrong. You change the subject and move on.


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This is the problem with Iraq: "to create MORE enemies and make us LESS safe at home." You do NOT go to war to achieve this result!

Not Correct:"In every national crisis there is a spike in the national debit. Please show me a time when this was not the case." In EVERY OTHER WAR we funded the war with increased taxes. We had WWI, WWI, Korea and Vietnam and in 1980 we had less then $1 Trillion in Debt. After Reagan and Bush we have almost $9 Trillion.

Better take another look: "He has dismantled regulations to protect the environment”

What has China done to offset the trade deficit in OTHER THINGS? "True but some concessions have to be made to get China on our side in other things” In addition it is not JUST China. The entire so called "FREE TRADE" has failed for the past 14 years. When do you think Bush will understand the current policy is not working?


"Please tell me what extra money do you need to ensure that the students learn?" Bush provided the Funding Requirements for No Child Left Behind. He then did not ask Congress for that same money HE SAID WAS NEEDED?


"Yet we somehow are able to stop the terrorist from coming into the nation and harm us. Why, how? We have only so much money to spend. Wasting it on Homeland Security Department, and TSA which the Democrats demanded be done took that money away from where it was needed." You are the first person I have heard claim the money we spend to protect our country is WASTED! Any of the millions of people that come across our border could be bringing a disaster WORSE then 9/11 with them. Every undisputed container could house a DISASTER.


"Not bad, most of the things you list are not under the control of the President.” WRONG!!!!! Protection of the country is the Presidents FIRST RESPONSIBILITY! Enforcement of our laws is the responsibility of the Executive Branch and the President is the head of that branch. The fiscal policy is BUSH. The Iraq War is because of Bush. Bush did not request the funding for his education policy or the added guards HE SAID were needed to secure the border. Bush did not request the added troop levels for the military. Those are just for starters.

"Yeah right, that same poll put the President as the greatest hero of the year as well. Nice of you to miss that part." Yes 13% felt that way. The old saying that "10% Never get the word". In this case it was 13%.


"showed you a copy of the 2000 Federal Budget written by President Clinton which debunked your myth of a balanced budget " I do not know what Clinton Budget you are talking about but at the END of FY 2000, not the budget but ACTUAL RESULTS" we hade a balanced budget without first subtracting the Surplus from Social Security and Medicare. Again AQCTUAL results at the END of FY 2001 showed that Bush had turned the annual budget from Balanced to deficit and has a deficit EVERY de was in Office. He also HIDES about $200 Billion of the actual deficit by subtracting the Social Security and Medicare surplus. For example in FY 2005 Bush reported an Annual Deficit for 2005 of $420 Billion. The actual increase in the National Debt was $620 Billion.


"When people pull up facts written by Democrats” The facts I use are not from individuals but from the agencies of the Fed responsible for there functions. I do not know what statements you are talking about but since my information is directly from the Federal Government, I am not interested in what ANY Politian said. Both parties lie and distort the truth.


"If that was true then you are doing a piss poor job of it. Most people here left or right will admit when they are wrong yet you have failed to do so on almost every occasion where you have been proven wrong." You have NEVER proven the facts I have used and my book fully documents what I have said. It is just pure BS when you say you have proven me WRONG. To do that you would also have to prove WRONG all the Federal Agencies and experts I use to as WRONG and you have not and can not do that!












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"Not bad, most of the things you list are not under the control of the President.” WRONG!!!!! Protection of the country is the Presidents FIRST RESPONSIBILITY! Enforcement of our laws is the responsibility of the Executive Branch and the President is the head of that branch


WRONG!!! The first place it falls is on the "judicial branch". Why don't you learn how your government works! So start complaining about the correct people.
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This is the problem with Iraq: "to create MORE enemies and make us LESS safe at home." You do NOT go to war to achieve this result!


The result was that even Iran backed us in the war, we had them scared spitless, then we wavered and showed weakness and they see weakness as somethng to be destroyed.

In EVERY OTHER WAR we funded the war with increased taxes. We had WWI, WWI, Korea and Vietnam and in 1980 we had less then $1 Trillion in Debt. After Reagan and Bush we have almost $9 Trillion.


WWI war bonds were sold to pay for the war, the same with WWII, Korea was a UN mess we never got paid back for. Vietnam caused massive inflation and resession, because we were so far in debt that it was not until President G. H. Bush did we finally pay that off. The reason the debt was so low was because they took the social security money to pay for the war. You admit that we were 9 trillion in debt because of the build up against the Soviet Union. Good. Now explain where the debit went? Back then they said the debit was so high that our grandchildren would still be paying it off. But for some magical reason the debit is gone and we are at war and now you are complaining about a 2.3 trillion dollar budget and a deficit of a few hundred billion.

It looks like you just defeated your argument with your own data.

Better take another look: "He has dismantled regulations to protect the environment”


please tell me which regulations he dismantled.

The entire so called "FREE TRADE" has failed for the past 14 years. When do you think Bush will understand the current policy is not working?


Yes, I agree it has been and is a failure trade wise. while it has helped us as leverage to help us with North Korea and the war on terror. I think he knows it is not working but since you have the Democrats all for it and few people want to change it he has to live with it.

Bush provided the Funding Requirements for No Child Left Behind. He then did not ask Congress for that same money HE SAID WAS NEEDED?


Ok, but you said that the bulk of the money comes from local government. All the No Child Left Behind Act does is require that the students be able to pass tests at certain grade levels. How the Locals do it is their business for the most part. The ones that don't wish to teach cheat by teaching the test to the students, which is contrary to the Act.

You are the first person I have heard claim the money we spend to protect our country is WASTED!


I can understand this statement you dont' pay attention to anyone so you would not have heard it. Mr. Bush was against the TSA, which is a waste of time and money. Not one of the terrorist got on board a plane with a banned item. Instead of closing the gap they got rid of people that were doing their jobs well for a bunch of rookies that have to learn how to do what we had experts doing. I know because at one time I had to supervise those people and we did not have as many failures as we have today because we have new people doing the work.

Any of the millions of people that come across our border could be bringing a disaster WORSE then 9/11 with them.


True but we are doing the best we can with what little we have. Should we take money away from other important things? How about the elimination of the National Endowment of the Arts? That alone would add a few hundred agents to the Border Patrol.

Every undisputed container could house a DISASTER.


So when Dubi ports world was to take over management of those ports and as a condition would inspect the containers I guess it was a bad thing that Congress forced that deal into the toilet?

Enforcement of our laws is the responsibility of the Executive Branch and the President is the head of that branch.


Yes, it is. What laws did he impeed?

The fiscal policy is BUSH.


True and you have been debunked on that, next!

The Iraq War is because of Bush.


In a way you are correct, but in truth the Iraq war is the fault of the UN. Had Iraq kept its word and followed the resoultions we would not have had to go into Iraq.


Bush did not request the funding for his education policy or the added guards HE SAID were needed to secure the border.


And as stated before the Act requires that students pass standarized tests for that grade level to prove they are able to handle the next level. You know like we had to do as kids some 30 years ago before educators became too smaart to teach.

Show me a terrorist attack from AQ that happened since 9/11 on US soil. It is already accepted that there have been hundreds of attempts but no success for them means that we have eliminated 100% of the attacks. Or are you suggesting that the enemy attacked us and we are keeping it quiet?

Yes 13% felt that way. The old saying that "10% Never get the word". In this case it was 13%.


Let me see if I get this right. The highest percentage is 13% and that is not good enough for you? A win is a win and if that is the highest percentage then out of 100% 13% went for Mr. Bush and the next highest percentage is 3% which covered the rest of the spectrum. What I get from this is no matter what Mr. Bush is bad and even when he wins he should lose because he is Mr. Bush.

Again AQCTUAL results at the END of FY 2001 showed that Bush had turned the annual budget from Balanced to deficit and has a deficit EVERY de was in Office.


Oh, well that is different. You are claiming a projection that has never been close to being right and then compare it to actual events. I can understand why you do this because it makes fantasy land look so good. You take a 10 year projection and complain it was all Mr. Bush's falut when we were attacked on 9/11 the recession that Mr. Bush said was coming only came faster because of the attack. Then we had to create a new intelligence agency, plus the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security. I guess none of that had any impact on the actual figures. In 1999 we had a "projected" surplus of 10 trillion dollars and congress could not wait to spend it in 2000. The hawks wanted to beef up security and the militray the liberals wanted to spend it all on social programs but only a few wanted to put that money to social security. The term "Lock Box" showed up around then because each side wanted to spend money that had not come in yet and still had not fixed social security. Then when it was "discovered" that social security was going broke, something that everyone knew since 1968, now used it as an election issure.

He also HIDES about $200 Billion of the actual deficit by subtracting the Social Security and Medicare surplus. For example in FY 2005 Bush reported an Annual Deficit for 2005 of $420 Billion. The actual increase in the National Debt was $620 Billion.


This was debunked and explained to you by me more than three times and others have tried as well, you still won't admit your figures are wrong.

The facts I use are not from individuals but from the agencies of the Fed responsible for there functions. I do not know what statements you are talking about but since my information is directly from the Federal Government, I am not interested in what ANY Politian said. Both parties lie and distort the truth.


You refuse to see it. I understand, you can't handle the truth. The facts I speak of are from Mr. Clintons budget. Last time I looked he was a Democrat. Now you want to go from a projection in the Clinton administration to the actual results a year later. good move. It makes it look so simple that way. Fantasy has a way of doing that.

You have NEVER proven the facts I have used and my book fully documents what I have said. It is just pure BS when you say you have proven me WRONG. To do that you would also have to prove WRONG all the Federal Agencies and experts I use to as WRONG and you have not and can not do that!


Right, because fantasy is where you see these facts. Don't worry I hear thorazine is coming out with new flavors next year.
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WRONG!!! The first place it falls is on the "judicial branch". Why don't you learn how your government works! So start complaining about the correct people.


Sorry but I have to be honest here, the Judicial branch interprets the laws the executive branch is responsible for enforcing the laws the legislative branch enacts.
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drmiler



WRONG! WRONG! The Courts interpret the laws. Enforcement is the responsibility of the Executive through the Attorney General who reports to the President!