British Schools Serving *Only* Halal Meat - PC Gone Wrong

Life as Dhimmi's, Whether You Want it or Not.

      I have a very geeky intelligence article for later but for now I want to update the article I wrote about the creeping effects of Islamism across Europe and Britain. Many commentors to the original article simply couldn't beleive the the problem is as serious or as pervasive as the linked content would seem to have suggested. For those folks I give you this tidbit from the mornings news perusal.

 

"Halal meat is being served to pupils in state schools without their knowledge, even if they believe the religious slaughter is cruel.

Parents have reacted furiously after being sent letters telling them their children's school dinners have been all-halal for 'some time'."

 

Daily Mail, UK

Hat tip to LGF as well.

     No one is objecting to Muslim students being served halal food here but rather to the forced compliance with halal by non-Muslims without even informing them of it.

 

I for one welcome our new Muslim overlords?

 

 

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Reply #1 Top
I wonder where PETA is in all of this?
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Don't worry it'll get more PC soon and all meat will be gone in favor of going vegan only.  Of course that will just contribute all the more to global warming thanks to all of the evil livestock that will be out there fartin' up the temperature for the rest of us.
Reply #3 Top
I wonder where PETA is in all of this?
Well as much as I dislike PETA I can bet that they are consistant on this one and condemn it. Problem is they condemn so many things that the impact of condemnation has been totally nullified.
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Well Greywar, here's another titbit, also from the Daily Mail (Front page Dec 9):

I quote: " Religious images have been banished from almost all the Christmas cards on sale in High Street shops. S'hops"

What are the British doing? Being "over-diplomatic" will see the demise of their culture!
Reply #5 Top
Infuriating! The disregard for NON MUSLIMS living in the CHRISTIAN COUNTRY! ugh!

We have a hot bed here that is going to boil over one day - it is little wonder the BNP is slowly gaining ground. (I am not a member.....er......yet!)


The British people are so shit scared of upsetting anyone who is not white, not Christian not British but are quite content to ferk themselves over!
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Britain stop being so bloody stupid!!!
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Why is this a bad thing? It's a waste of time and money to make two or more different meals whilst keeping in line with the cooking guidelines for handling halal/kosher and non-halal/kosher meat in the same kitchen. It's not like kosher tastes particularly different, and if it saves cafeteria staff from buggering around with twice the dishes and twice the workload then why not?

It's almost certain there'll be a few Jews and Muslims in a school anyway. Discrimination is expensive and catering to them special is still not cheap; it's easier just to make all the meat halal.
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Why is this a bad thing?


Let me count the ways......Is it Kosher? is it Christian? I am not PETA, but I sure as hell dont want to support the brutal slaughter of my "daily bread". Excuse me if I (gag! yes) support PETA in this. I will allow them to do it for their own food. Dont force me to partake of your brutality.
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Why is this a bad thing? It's a waste of time and money to make two or more different meals whilst keeping in line with the cooking guidelines for handling halal/kosher and non-halal/kosher meat in the same kitchen. It's not like kosher tastes particularly different, and if it saves cafeteria staff from buggering around with twice the dishes and twice the workload then why not?

It's almost certain there'll be a few Jews and Muslims in a school anyway. Discrimination is expensive and catering to them special is still not cheap; it's easier just to make all the meat halal.


hell yes it is wrong.

If you are going to observe the rights of one group you must observe the rights of ALL groups!
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Why is this a bad thing? It's a waste of time and money to make two or more different meals whilst keeping in line with the cooking guidelines for handling halal/kosher and non-halal/kosher meat in the same kitchen. It's not like kosher tastes particularly different, and if it saves cafeteria staff from buggering around with twice the dishes and twice the workload then why not?


cacto,

I'm puzzled. I may be remembering incorrectly, but aren't you generally against prayer in schools or teaching intelligent design? Why would you be in favor of favoring Muslims over all other students, when you're against favoring Christians over all students?

The decision to offer only Halal meals is just another in a long line of stupid, PC decisions. And it's shameful
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Let me count the ways......Is it Kosher? is it Christian? I am not PETA, but I sure as hell dont want to support the brutal slaughter of my "daily bread". Excuse me if I (gag! yes) support PETA in this. I will allow them to do it for their own food. Dont force me to partake of your brutality.


No one has to eat school dinners. If they have problems with the ethics of halal food then I imagine they have problems with the treatment of stock full stop. Must the government be forced to pay the extra and buy only organic vegan produce made with love and care in hippy communes?

Let's be practical here - meat might be murder, but no one's forcing you to eat it. Killing it halal-style is merely yet another torture added to a whole list that stock go through on their way to the school bench. Reject one injustice and you may as well reject them all.

Why would you be in favor of favoring Muslims over all other students, when you're against favoring Christians over all students?


Food is food. I ate halal all last year and I can tell you it doesn't taste much different to regular meat. Certainly I could never tell the difference. In fact a lot of meat in Australia is automatically halal, whether you like it or not. It's just more economically sound to make the necessary cuts and the necessary prayers so you don't miss any potential customers. I wouldn't be surprised if the US, with its high Jewish population, is much the same.

Anyway, I can just imagine a bureaucrat in some education department going, "Why not make everything halal? It'll save money." It seems more likely to me than someone in an education department going "Why not make everything halal? Then the Muslims won't kill us, despite the fact we either already offer special meals for Jewish and Muslim students or are going to have to because we have anti-discrimination legislation in this country."

As for the prayers versus food question: prayers in school take up valuable class time; serving a oh-so-slightly different meal doesn't. Christians also don't need to do anything special to eat halal food, nor is there any reason for it to make them religiously uncomfortable. It's different when you're required to pray to a god you don't believe in.

If you are going to observe the rights of one group you must observe the rights of ALL groups!


So far as I'm aware the government does, when pushed, make the attempt to do so. Have you tried lobbying for whatever special food needs you or your children might have? You might have success in having your/your children's special religious requirements met. I know lots of places these days have vegetarian options.
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Does it taste different? Why would they bother to buy two different kinds of meat? Why go to the expense when they can just feed one kind to everyone?
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If you don't like what the schools serve, PACK YOUR OWN DAMNED LUNCH.


I'd agree with that. But the whining parents insist that the government feed everyone, so I can't imagine why they're surprised when the government does that the cheapest way possible.
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so I can't imagine why they're surprised when the government does that the cheapest way possible.


so they should just accept it and shut up? If the gov insists there is a canteen at schools then they should be fair in the treatment of those unfortunate enough to have to eat in them. Sneaking ideas in under the radar is not nice.

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Reply #15 Top
If they have problems with the ethics of halal food then I imagine they have problems with the treatment of stock full stop


And you would imagine wrong. Again, you fail to address the issue of why we have to Support a religion, for that is what it is - forced compliance with a religion. Your only feeble come back is that we dont have to eat school food. And this is true, but then it is also true of muslims, is it not? Why are you advocating super citizen status based upon religion?
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It's just more economically sound to make the necessary cuts and the necessary prayers so you don't miss any potential customers. I wouldn't be surprised if the US, with its high Jewish population, is much the same.


Sorry cacto but you'd be wrong on that. First off any food for the Jewish population is called kosher and done in a very specific manner which is not included in halal preparation. Because a lot of it is how the animal is raised and what it's fed. And halal meat is not kosher meat. So your saying it's okay for the government to make someone do something that is most definitely against their religion?

And lastly they would not allow animals to be butchered in halal fashion in this country. It's against the law. It's called animal cruelty.
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It's a waste of time and money to make two or more different meals

Well heck isn't it a waste of time and money to clothes kids in those expensive and wasteful school uniforms? Lets just put them all in hijab and be done with it. It sure is cheap and easy to make and it meet the Muslim's requirements. Whats the problem?

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Well the near banning of reglious christmas cards doesn't appear to apply to any of the shops in the North East of England.

Nor does the serving to halal meat happen in the school my girlfriends teachs in, nor the one before that, nor the one before that, nor any of the three in the South East when she did her training. Nor any that my work mates kids go to.
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BTW, this isn't true as posted. I've dug and dug and I can't find anything approaching the clipped quote above. What I DID find is that there were a handful of Church of England Schools doing this, along with FOUR state schools.

I don't see how anyone can talk this way without seeing how similar they sound to "the jews are gonna getcha" folks from the other side. I personally have no religious mandate about how my meat should be butchered, so I have no idea WHY I should be offended by meat being killed so as to fit someone else's. I doubt seriously that greywar could tell the difference when he tastes his lunch.

How does your church tell you to slaughter meat, greywar? If it doesn't have a preference, why are you suddenly skipping alongside PETA... just because you hate muslims worse than you hate the PETA types? If I had to choose who is a worse threat to my lifestyle, I sure as hell wouldn't choose animal rights people over anyone.


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I mean, how does all the efforts to ban the veil fit in with this theory, greywar? People in England are being fired for refusing to remove their veils, yet we're supposed to believe eventually all women will be wearing them? How is that supposed to make sense?
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Dr Guy:

Your only feeble come back is that we dont have to eat school food


No, my only feeble come back is that it really shouldn't matter to you. It makes little to no practical difference on taste how the animal is killed, so why not make the meals suitable for everyone and make it halal or, in areas with high Jewish populations, kosher?* Christians, atheists and other faiths really have nothing to worry about because it's not like the food is branded with Satanic Allah's dark mark or anything. It just gets slaughtered in a different way and the right words said at the right time.

As for ethics - I think I've said before that I don't give a damn about the rights of stock animals. It's hypocritical to complain about halal meat if you don't intend to complain about battery farming or forced cannibalism. Halal only really affects the last few seconds; being locked in a cage from birth is for life.

greywar:

Well heck isn't it a waste of time and money to clothes kids in those expensive and wasteful school uniforms? Lets just put them all in hijab and be done with it. It sure is cheap and easy to make and it meet the Muslim's requirements. Whats the problem?


Actually hijabs are much more expensive than western clothes. Interesting fact you apparently don't know. It's all to do with supply and demand. There's little demand in western society and, of course, western Muslims wear more fashionable cuts. So it's more expensive to buy a hijab or chador than a t-shirt and pants.

School uniforms have a different purpose than school dinners, are usually modest to begin with (and so meet most Islamic guidelines) and in fact generally allow the addition of a religious headdress in school colours (particularly where Sikhs are common), so I'm not sure exactly what you think I should be outraged about.

*thanks drmiler by the way for that explanation; I assumed that kosher and halal would be practically identical due to the Abrahamic roots of both religions.
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No, my only feeble come back is that it really shouldn't matter to you. It makes little to no practical difference on taste how the animal is killed, so why not make the meals suitable for everyone and make it halal or, in areas with high Jewish populations, kosher?*


Excuse me? Where did I say anything about taste? How about cruelty? Kind of skipped over that part and the part about making islam more than equal I guess. WHy not answer those questions before saying "it tastes the same". So does spam, and it is cheaper than Halil meat. So serve them that!
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Baker - information on how many schools below: taken from the online meat trades journal

A catering supplier in Worcester has been forced to review its current position with some of its 50 school customers following an investigation by a local member of the British National Party into how meat on school menus is slaughtered.

Fred Capewell, managing director of Class Catering in Bromsgrove, said that a number of parents and headteachers had contacted him following the publishing of a list that revealed more than 70 schools were serving meat slaughtered using the halal method, unknown to the pupils and their parents.

Capewell said: "We have been asked by some schools to take it off the menus, but we have not taken it off wholesale. "We have written to the schools saying we will provide it unless they stipulate that they don't want it. What we will do is to identify the halal product on the school menu so that they can make an informed choice about what they are eating." He argued the situation had been "blown out of proportion", considering the very small amount of halal meat that his company supplied.

Martin Roberts, of the BNP, initiated the investigation saying he was "shocked" after he found out about the halal method of slaughtering animals and was lobbying the government to ban it. Information requested by Roberts from the Freedom of Information Act via Worcester County Council revealed 38 primary, 18 middle and 20 high schools routinely served halal meat.

Roberts insisted his line of inquiry had nothing to do with religion or race and said some people had wrongly interpreted his investigation as political. "This is an issue of animal welfare," he claimed. Roberts added he was appalled to hear that pupils were served halal meat without being informed. "Choosing to eat stunned meat is often a conscious choice, just like a Muslim's choice to eat halal meat," he said.

While the Muslim religion believes the Halal method to be a kinder and more hygienic slaughter practice some groups have argued the practice causes animals suffering and in 2003 the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) called on the government to ban the practice.


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Reply #24 Top
70 schools is more than a handful - 70 is very notable!
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and the other side of the coin

Religious row over lunches
THE views of 25,000 Camden Muslims are worth less to the Town Hall than those of a single non-Muslim, a furious Bengali community leader has claimed after it emerged that halal meat was secretly removed from thousands of children’s school dinners.
Emails obtained by the New Journal show that halal meat was routinely served to Camden school children at more than 50 schools across the borough until last summer, even though it was branded non-halal.

But officials secretly ordered under-fire catering firm Scolarest to stop serving the religiously-blessed meat in July after a mother at Eleanor Palmer School discovered it and complained that halal slaughter was cruel to animals.

The revelation has provoked an angry response from Joynal Uddin, chairman of the Camden Bengali Parents and Tenants Association, who said: “One person ringing up and complaining about halal meat seems to be more important than 25,000 Muslims living in Camden.

“Half of the children in Camden schools are Muslim but we have not been involved in any of the discussions about school dinners.
“We are told that 350 parents were consulted for the council’s review, but no-one can tell us if any were Muslim.

“A large proportion of the Muslim pupils come from Somali and Bangladeshi households that are amongst the most deprived in Camden and for who this is the main meal of the day.”
He speaking after making a deputation to the council’s ruling executive, calling on more to be done to provide halal dinners.

Only Edith Neville and Argyll Primary Schools now make halal food available.
And councillors who voted to “move towards” providing halal meals for all pupils who want them on Tuesday night were all unaware that halal meat had been provided as standard until last year.

Under Muslim law animals must be killed by having their throats cuts while fully conscious while a prayer is recited.
The emails obtained by the New Journal show that officials had noted that the decision had “the capacity to be very sensitive and controversial” and that they did not tell schools or Muslim parents about the change despite the fact that more than half of those receiving free school dinners are Muslim.
Deputy Mayor Cllr Abdul Quadir, who argued passionately that Muslim children had a right to be offered halal food at Tuesday’s meeting, said: “The different communities are not being treated equally.”

And Cllr Pat Callaghan said: “I had no idea and we should have been told – this is a decision for us, not officials.”
As long ago as last May contacts manager Ian Patterson wrote in an e-mail to top education official Yvette Stanley that: “I do not think it is widely known that Halal meat is so prevalent in the catering industry.”
He added: “I am concerned that this could become another sensitive story. We need to decide whether to make a statement.

“If we do then we may have complaints and requests to serve alternative products which would be hard for Scolarest to source without major extra costs.”
And he warned: “If we do not make a statement then it may become public at some point anyway through a school releasing the information or parents inspecting food products from kitchens.

“If so, we will be asked if we knew, how long we knew, what we were doing about it if anything.”
The eventual decision to change to non-halal meat was also kept quiet.
Cllr Theo Blackwell, standing in for absent education supremo Nick Smith said: “The main thing is that we are looking to improve the provision of halal food where it is wanted; it is clearly a complicated subject but we are now doing something about it.”
n Councillors voted last night to increase spending on school dinners from September.
Catering giant Scolarest stepped up its bid to win the new contract with full page ads in both the major local papers this week.


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