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Iraq Study Group blasts Iraqi government

Iraq Study Group blasts Iraqi government

The long awaited report has some surprises

The Iraq Study Group report is finally out.

It's a bit surprising in a few areas. First, it doesn't suggest that the US needs to exit immediately but rather that over the course of the next year the US should transition to a more supporting role of training Iraqi forces. Then, after that, the troops should come home -- ready or not.

It also advocates talks with Iran and Syria.  James Baker makes the case that the US had regular talks with the Soviet Union for 40 years even though their stated objective was to wipe us out.

But the part that really struck me was the analysis of the Iraqi government. They unanimously concluded that the Iraqi government is just incompetent. So incompetent that they have serious concerns of whether it will be capable -- given any amount of time -- to effectively govern the country. They have good intentions but lack the capability to governm.

I have to say I support everything I've read about the report so far.  To me, this 3 year disaster should have ended 2 years ago.  Our goal was to eliminate the regime of Saddam Hussein. That was accomplished 3 years ago. 

Why are we still there?  It's not our job to make sure Iraq is turned into a Jeffersonian democracy. I get the reaosn they want to. I even support a reasonable effort. But 3 years? If the Iraqis can't get their act together soon, then tough. 

The options for the US aren't merely either a Jeffersonian democracy or a terrorist state. The option isn't even something in between.  We toppled a fairly powerful regime in a matter of weeks with few combat deaths. The US should have a policy of knocking down regimes that support terrorism and represent threats to the United States. It should not be our policy to spend year after year trying to rebuild these countries unless it's demonstratably in our best interest.

This time next year, the troops better start coming home -- or at least out of Iraq.

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Reply #51 Top
Irrational circular reasoning, Cik. You either accept that humans have free will or you don't. If they have free will, they are the RP (responsible party), accountable for their actions. If you believe they are not free to choose, those who choose for them are the RP. In neither circumstance does the US qualify as the RP.
Reply #52 Top
So in other words, you are a straight old "Blame America" kind of guy.


For Iraq's mess? Yhea. But you share the responsability with AlQaeda & the other countries around who get their noses into it.

For the World's? Naaa. Well, maybe some part of it, but for the most part ('bout 70%) of the whining done against america, it's just un-founded whining.

But on the other side, America (or it's multinationals) indeed have caused a lot of suffering worldwide. And if some parts of it continues to negate worldwide danger such as global warming, I fear they will lead to humanity's eventual doom.
Reply #53 Top
Irrational circular reasoning, Cik


Can you point me the arguments I made that lead you to this conclusion?
Reply #54 Top
I think the ISG report is the most rational summary about Iraq that I've seen in the last years. I'm not convinced that removing Saddam really changed much overall (other than his face appearing less often in the news) but that job is done anyway and I don't miss him. The sooner the troops are withdrawn now (or concentrated on really important matters) the better I'd say. Everything else will just lead to more lives and more billions spent for little effect. Iraq isn't going to turn into a noteworthy democracy within the next ten or twenty years anyway. Strike where the enemy is weak and retreat before it gets too ugly, this works in computer games at least.