Iraq Is A Failure

Bush Remains In The State Of Denial!

from JoeUser Forums


The Baker/ Hamilton Commission has concluded that situation in Iraq is GRAVE and DANGEROUS. On November 6th Bush claimed we were winning the Iraq war. Gates yesterday told the Senate that we are NOT winning the Iraq war.

Bush continues to live in the state of denial and pledges to remain until we WIN in Iraq. Bush has defined WIN as a STABLE, DEMOCRATIC and NON HOSTLE Iraq where foreign terrorists will NOT be allowed to operate and plan future attacks against America.

There are VERY few that believe anything like what Bush claims for Iraq will materialize. The most likely outcome is a country that will see the majority Shiite dominate the government and foreign elements free to operate in western Iraq. That will mean ALL of the elements of the Bush objectives will not be achieved.

Iraq will have a government similar to Iran who Bush claims is dangerous.



There will be yet another Moslem country where al Qaeda can train and plan future attacks on America.



We will have added millions more Moslems that HATE us and be willing to participate in future attacks against America!

For ANYONE to believe this war has made America Safer, please follow the White Rabbit down the Hole for you are in WONDERLAND!

Just THINK—the Iraq War will end up costing America 3,000 of our bravest young people. Injured 25,000 half of which will go through the reminder of their life disabled. The dollar cost will most likely end up between $ ¾ and $1 TRILLION DOLLARS. Just think of what we could have done for Americans with the Trillion dollars we will end up spending on a WAR that has made us LESS safe. Lets ALL give credit were credit is due-George W. Bush!
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Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your waste of a pathetic existance is a failure, in the words of G. Gordon Liddy...  "Do the honorable thing".
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
ParaTed2K

Go down the hole after the White Rabbit named GWB you IDIOT!
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just wish you'd bother to come up with a catchy title so I wouldn't know it was you before I click. I guess this is what it looks like to be boring and unimaginative. I've seen steaming turds with more creativity than you.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just John

I wish the situation in Iraq was BORING. The truth is it is tragic and EVERY day brings more evidence of just how big of a mistake Bush made in Iraq. It is amassing to me that anyone can continue to make excuses for the LOOSER we have as our President!
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just as your parents continue to make excuses for you... course, they have to take some responsibility for not taking MsLadyDeath's advice.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
The full Baker/Hamilton report may well echo Col Gene's sentiments. Robert Gates, incumbent Defence Secretary, has already stated that the war is a failure (Google news).
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
My parents did not have to make excuses for my actions.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Adnauseum, all Gates said is we aren't winning, but we aren't losing.. which is Exactly where we were in WWII before D-Day. So, sure, I'd go along with that assessment.


The only way we lose is to listen to cowardly, pro-terrorist fools like ColGene and Murtha.

ColGene
Enjoy your last snuff film of US troops by your terrorist buddies? I bet you ran them through twice each, just to enjoy them more.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wish the situation in Iraq was BORING.


You are too blinded by your agenda to see that I was pointing out your message is always lost becuase you don't even try to put any sort of different spin on it. You are boring and unimaginative. I could only expect your book to be a 5 minute reader. Read for 5 minutes and fall into slumber.

It's useless to debate Bush with you because you only see one thing. Bush is wrong. Maybe he has been wrong. I don't really know because I only see what the MSM reports and what I read on the net. I don't believe an ounce of it. People lie, bend the truth or misrepresent facts all the time. You look to your sources and you trust them. That's a good thing but it doesn't make them thruthful.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
ParaTed2k

FOUR YEARS later we see the loss and destruction EVERY day in Iraq. We have listened to just be patient. Just how long should we be patient? This war has lasted longer then WWII. You and a few others on this Blog site should go into business to provide ridiculous excuses for every situation. There is NO excuse for Bush. Today GAO reported that FEMA CONTINUES TO WAST taxpayer money. GAO claims another Billion was pissed away by the incompetents’ Bush appointed to run this agency. I can not wait to read your excuse for this GAO Report!

Yes the GAO Report is another subject but the common thread is another example of the Idiot in the White House! The flow of Bush incompetence just NEVER ENDS!
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
loss and destruction EVERY day in Iraq


Were you stoned every day of your military career? Of course there is loss and destruction every day you idiot, it's a war! I notice though that you completely ignore any and all successes by our troops in Iraq. Why? Because they are shooting at your buddies and you just with they would stop!

This war has lasted longer then WWII.


And WWII would have lasted years longer except for 2 things... Nuking Japan and Operation Overlord. What kind of field day would you have if we staged a single attack that cost as many U.S. troops as the whole war?

Face is loser, you don't care what happens as long as you can sit on your 4th point of contact and mindlessly vomit out your Bush Bash and lust over the death of U.S. Troops.

Today GAO reported that FEMA CONTINUES TO WAST taxpayer money


And if that idiot Nagin had of actually done his job, then FEMA would have had a very small roll in Katrina. Again, as I've said before FEMA isn't Prs. Bush. The only way he would have enough authority to do all the things you blame on him would be for him to be a dictator.

Your red herrings and stupidity do nothing but expose you for the maggot infested slime you are. If you love the terrorists so much, please do us all a favor and volunteer to become one of the virgins promised to them!
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

This report is actually the best thing to happen to Bush.
It is going to force him to check his stance on Iraq.

It is clear to me Bush simply wants to tough it out in Iraq because he knows that He will be judged in Future past by the outcome of Iraq.

HE doesn't mind dumping Billions of US dollars and Thousands of US lives down the drain to gain a favorable outcome on this war to save his own name.

This is does not sit well with me and i am surprised to hear people still cheering for Bush to get a 'WIN' in Iraq.

Ted and JJohn, looking past your bashing on Col, can you really say Bush has not been in Denial on this Iraq issue?
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I hope you fucking go to Iraq. Jesus, you just spew the same shit.

My army/airforce buddies would love to get a piece of you my friend.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
The arguments can be characterized as denial on both sides if denial is the argument you wish to make. It's a "pointless" point, I'm afraid.

Gene suffers from hyperemesis politicum sinistere. Fortunately, "history" will be decided by someone else.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
The full Baker/Hamilton report may well echo Col Gene's sentiments. Robert Gates, incumbent Defence Secretary, has already stated that the war is a failure (Google news).


You "might" want to change your tone on this, since that's not ALL he said on the subject. Try "this" on for size, direct quote from hearing transcript:


His response was as follows, and I quote him: "We're not winning, but we're not losing," end quote. It seems to me a parallel between what I said when I got back and that distinguished chairman's observation yesterday.



Link

Try again oh brainless wonder! The above link "was" obtained from Google News.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

My parents did not have to make excuses for my actions.


No....they had to make excuses for your mere exsistence!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
If we are not establishing stability in Iraq we are LOOSING! We loose troops and spend billions for WHAT? The situation gets worse all the time. How is that not loosing?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

I will be happy to stack up my accomplishments against yours any time!
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Obvious case of projection on the Col's part. 6 long, futile years and what to show for it? Does Bush even know his name? At least mosquitoes can brag that they've been swatted at.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
If we are not establishing stability in Iraq we are LOOSING! We loose troops and spend billions for WHAT? The situation gets worse all the time. How is that not loosing?


If you spend all your time bush bashing and nobody listens to you....then YOU are "LOOSING".
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler

I will be happy to stack up my accomplishments against yours any time!


Been that route, remember? And you lost. So shut-up you ignor-anus!
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
the col may be biased, he may be a "bush basher" and he may someday learn how to spell "losing." but facts are facts, and as the baker commission confirmed what more and more americans realize every day, that the col. is right, the policy is a failure. and george bush and his boys are to blame.

attacking the col, myself or anyone else who has spoken out against this war won't make us safer. what might make us safer is changes in policy. how bout instead of bashing good americans who disagree with the policy of this president, ya'll "stay the course" loyalists might wanna start offering some suggestions on what you think we should change, now that , finally, even the president knows that change is necessary and inevitable.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sean:
the baker commission


The only words that need to be remembered about this commission are "We have no expertise in this area".

Three guesses on who said that.

Let's let those with expertise make the assessments and plans based on them... The Commanders on the Ground!

Only fools like ColGene think you fight a war from Washington.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
11 U.S. Troops Killed in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
December 07, 2006 7:38 AM EST
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The toll in one of the U.S. military's deadliest days in Iraq rose to 11 when the military said Thursday that another soldier had died in fighting west of Baghdad.

At least seven Iraqis - six policemen and a 7-year-old girl - were killed in a series of bombings and shootings.

The U.S. soldier was shot Wednesday while manning a machine gun nest on the roof of an outpost in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, the capital of the volatile Anbar province, according to an Associated Press reporter on the scene.

The death came on the same day that 10 other U.S. troops were killed in four separate incidents in Iraq, and a blue-ribbon panel in Washington recommended gradually shifting U.S. forces from a combat to a training role.

The military released details about five of the other troops killed on Wednesday, saying they were Task Force Lightning soldiers who were struck by a roadside bomb while conducting combat operations in the vicinity of the northern city of Kirkuk. The soldiers were assigned to 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division.

The U.S. military gave no further details about identities or the other deaths, pending notification of relatives.

The attacks followed a particularly bloody weekend and raised to at least 31 the number of U.S. troops who have died in the first week of this month. At least 69 troops were killed in November and 105 soldiers were killed in October - the highest monthly toll since January 2005.

"Our thoughts are with all 11 families who lost family members yesterday. Taking care of them right now is the military's highest priority," U.S. spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Garver said. The last time 11 Americans were killed in one day was Oct. 17.

At least 2,919 service members have been killed since the war started in 2003, according to an AP count.

At least 75 people were killed or found dead across Iraq on Wednesday, including 48 whose bullet-riddled bodies were found in different parts of the capital


Parated2K

Baker told GWB you could not secure Iraq on the cheep. He warned Bush of exactly what has happened in Iraq. Do not tell me that Bush was not warned what was likely to happen if we invaded Iraq. Baker also told Bush that the sectarian violence was a very real problem and would create a civil war. Powell warned Bush about both going into Iraq and in not sending force levels that would be required to stabilize the country.

Richard Armitage warned Bush of the most likely consequence of invading Iraq. His predictions have come true.

The Army Chief of Staff told Bush it would take 500,000 troops to secure Iraq after Saddam fell and the Op Plan to invade Iraq called for 500,000 troops. Franks told Bush it would take 500,000 troops and later under extreme pressure said 350,000 was the absolute minimum. Bush sent 130,000.

The situation in Iraq is 100% the fault of Bush- that is a fact that no one can deny!