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Spoke too Soon - Whining

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009322
from JoeUser Forums

One of our fellow bloggers asked the question "Where's the Whining?" in refernce to where was all the whining about the election that had occurred after the 2k, 2k2, and 2k4 elections.  Instead, within a couple of days, most of the close races that had democrats winning, the republicans graciuously conceded without putting up a fight and whining  about life being unfair.  Indeed, the last 2 senate races that got called were eligible for recounts, but neither of the losing senators asked for one.  They conceded.

But lo and behold, that blogger jumped the gun!  For indeed there has been winning and crying and bawling about stolen elections!  Oh, but wait, the blogger was right!  It is not the republicans doing it! Nope, It is the democrats, who cannot even be gracious in winning!  They are now trying to steal a seat that they narrowly lost in Florida! 

Vern Buchanan beat Christine Jennings by fewer than 400 votes.  However, it only takes one vote to win, and he got that plus 300 odd.  Yet now they want to steal his seat charging (with no basis in fact or even any evidence) that he stole the election!  Yep, Karl Rove must have masterminded the theft of one house seat out of the 230 odd the democrats won!  That crafty Karl!

Even in victory, the democrats cannot be gracious.  Instead we have one Jerk-Elect being just that to the POTUS, and then a whiny baby in florida that cannot accept the fact that fewer people voted for her than her opponent.  In the latter case, maybe she should listen to herself and her party whine and cry and stamp their feet.  For then they would know why she lost.

One thing America does not like is a sore loser.  But what it detests is a boorish Winner.  And right now those are called democrats.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dude, an allegation is still a question. This time, it's the questioning of the integrity of the election.


no dude, an allegation is not a question. It is a statement of fact, and where none exist or any evidence of said fact existing, it is a false allegation. Brad is right. You like to make allegations, but cannot back them up with squat.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Learn the difference between reporting on whining and whining.


Ahhh.... whining about whining is okay, but whining about issues is bad.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
o dude, an allegation is not a question. It is a statement of fact, and where none exist or any evidence of said fact existing, it is a false allegation. Brad is right. You like to make allegations, but cannot back them up with squat.


*sighs*

Fine, whatever...live in your own cocoon.

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ahhh.... whining about whining is okay, but whining about issues is bad.


Whatever floats your boat. If you want to remain ignorant, I cannot stop you.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Whatever floats your boat. If you want to remain ignorant, I cannot stop you.


I could say the same for you. You are what is known as an authoritarian follower. Anything that comes out of the White House is what you believe and what you'll defend. You, my friend, are anti-American. That is not what it means to be an American. We Americans put our country above our political party. Now, if you wouldn't mind, please move out of our country.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Democrats have already made their first "booboo"--by voting John Bolton out of the UN.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

I could say the same for you. You are what is known as an authoritarian follower. Anything that comes out of the White House is what you believe and what you'll defend. You, my friend, are anti-American. That is not what it means to be an American. We Americans put our country above our political party. Now, if you wouldn't mind, please move out of our country.


Since you've only been here at JU for a "little" over 2 months...it would behoove you to "listen" to what others have to say first, "before" you stick your whole leg in your mouth. I personally think that the un-american here is you!
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
I could say the same for you. You are what is known as an authoritarian follower. Anything that comes out of the White House is what you believe and what you'll defend.


Before inserting your foot farther in mouth, better read more of my stuff. There is a lot I dont like about the white house, but since this is not about them, why dont you blog on it.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Democrats have already made their first "booboo"--by voting John Bolton out of the UN.


Watch out! The democrats are coming after you with claws out! "No! They rail! He resigned!". Technically they are correct. Only because they made it clear he would not win.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since you've only been here at JU for a "little" over 2 months...it would behoove you to "listen" to what others have to say first, "before" you stick your whole leg in your mouth. I personally think that the un-american here is you!


Hey! Almost the same metaphor! Great minds think alike.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
i guess the neocons don't whine,,,they fire the attorneys who refused to prop up their bogus political charges and then stonewall and cover it all up.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
they fire the attorneys who refused to prop up their bogus political charges and then stonewall and cover it all up.


A little specificity would go a long way - except there is none. Another whiner with sour grapes.

Unless you are talking about Clinton? Funny, I have never heard him called a neocon.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
"But I wanna win the election."
"Then you should've gotten more people to vote for you."
"Why can't we just count the votes again?"
"Uh... they will still be the same votes."
"No, I think they've changed. Someone hid all the votes for me. Like that movie, Election!"
"Maybe if you hadn't borrowed your political strategies from Tracy Flick you'd have gotten more votes."
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
i guess the neocons don't whine,,,they fire the attorneys who refused to prop up their bogus political charges and then stonewall and cover it all up.


Doc's article was about election whiners. What does that have to do about firing attorneys?????

By doing so you only make your self sound like a liberal whiner as Doc stated.

You talk like a liberal, act like a liberal and use liberal talking points but call yourself a libertarian? Sorry you quack just like the other liberal ducks.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
You talk like a liberal, act like a liberal and use liberal talking points but call yourself a libertarian? Sorry you quack just like the other liberal ducks.


there you go again...lots of people who aren't liberals don't appreciate the administration pissing on the constitution the way they have and abusing any power they see fit.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
there you go again...lots of people who aren't liberals don't appreciate the administration pissing on the constitution the way they have and abusing any power they see fit.


Sean, who are you fooling??? as you say blah blah blah same ole liberal rhetoric. All I was pointing out is you claim to be libertarian but your actions and view say "I'm a liberal."
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
All I was pointing out is you claim to be libertarian but your actions and view say "I'm a liberal."


excuse me, what is so "liberal" about not liking how this administration pisses on the constitution?

the one with the "same old rhetoric" is you. calling anyone who won't walk in lock step with the administration "liberal."
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
"But I wanna win the election."


That should be the mantra of these clowns! You win some, you lose some. That is the way it is. For some.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
By doing so you only make your self sound like a liberal whiner as Doc stated.


Yep! Cookie for you.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
...lots of people who aren't liberals don't appreciate the administration pissing on the constitution the way they have and abusing any power they see fit.


very true. But then that is another subject matter, n'est pas?
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
the one with the "same old rhetoric" is you. calling anyone who won't walk in lock step with the administration "liberal."


Actually, no. He is not in lock step with anyone. He pisses on both sides (so far as I have read). He called you a liberal (and I agree - albeit a sane rational one) because that is what you post. Not because he is a Bush sycophant.

You may be a libertarian (and as you call yourself one, only God can discern the truth in that), yet your writings go towards the liberal side. You call me a neocon. I am not, but then I am not going to kill you over that label, just accept the fact that you have not read much of my tirades.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
You may be a libertarian (and as you call yourself one, only God can discern the truth in that), yet your writings go towards the liberal side.


well, your statement would suggest that libertarianism is wholly conservative. i don't see it that way. a guy like ron paul may be more conservative than i, or gideon for that matter. on the other hand, i'm probably right of a libertarian like bill maher , but that really doesn't matter.

overall, i usually end up somewhere in the middle. that used to be called moderate, today's buzz word is centrist i believe.

from where i sit, ya'll call anything even slightly left of ourselves "liberal." and ya'll do it with some malice. and the attempt is to lump me in with loons like rosie o donnell and the democratic underground by genericizing everything even slightly left of any view as "liberal."

now, you might see it as "the same thing" when i use the term neocon or neoconservative. and that would be fair enough. but i n my defense i would say that i use that term not as one of malice, but as one that has supported the very non conservative policies of this administration, particularly in the areas of foreign policy.

would it be fair to say that i sit on the left side of some issues? sure. does that conflict with my libertarian beliefs? no. as i've said before, "we the people " and "we the company" are hardly the same thing to me. so i don't see some of the issues the same as a ron paul would see it. but don't forget, i happen to agree with him and the libertarian party on many and the most important of their issues as i do have a more conservative look at some issues. as far as i know, real conservatives are non interventionists.

and besides guy, ya should thank me for revivin this ol post, lol   

Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
You call me a neocon.


Doc compared to Sean "the Libertarian" you would be neocon.

excuse me, what is so "liberal" about not liking how this administration pisses on the constitution?


You are excused, the bathroom is down the hall and to your right.

Sean, Sean, Sean. This is just getting worse. I pointed out EXACTLY what I meant and you took it as an attack on your statement. I neither agreed nor disagreed with your comment. I only pointed out that your comment had NOTHING to do with the article. Your comment is only a Liberal talking point hence why you sound so liberal. It is extremely difficult to have a conversation with someone who cannot see past that.

overall, i usually end up somewhere in the middle. that used to be called moderate, today's buzz word is centrist i believe.


So then now you are saying you are a centrist? What the?

and the attempt is to lump me in with loons like rosie o donnell and the democratic underground by genericizing everything even slightly left of any view as "liberal."


There is no attempt. Sean, you put yourself there. There is no voice of reason with you and that is why ModerateMan advised that the two of you stay away from each other. SanChonino has liberal views but people can reason and agree to disagree. You on the other hand sound more like a liberal apologist.

does that conflict with my libertarian beliefs? no


What??? now you are libertarian? I thought you just said you were centrist?

BTW before you go around calling people neocons that aren't neocons you might hold your tongue. Because by your definition that would be anyone who doesn't hold as liberal of a view as you do.

Hence your labeling Doc.

Hmm, you do the same thing you accuse 'neocons' of doing.

Starting to sound like a charlatan.