No Bush got his father to get him out of Vietnam and then did not fulfill the requirements in the Guard when he refused to take a REQUIRED Physical and attend drills. Then his father used his contacts get George an Honorable Early discharge the he DID NOT DESERVE!

Col, how many times are you going to say the same thing over and over.  We have already showed you how you can't back this up.  Dan Rather couldn't prove it, neither can you.  Bush served, get over it.

We have not been attacked because we have strengthened our efforts to stop attacks. We know that there have been attempts in fact Bush as told us that. We have added to the number of our enemies that would be willing to attack us which makes us LESS SAFE!

How do come up with that?  You are one who complains that Bush isn't doing enough to protect the country, now you come up with this? 

It's the same thing over and over with you col.  We fight the enemy, they get angry.....SO WHAT?  I bet people with your line of thought would rather bow down and not fight the islamic terrorists just so we don't "make them mad". 

Col, how many times are you going to say the same thing over and over. We have already showed you how you can't back this up. Dan Rather couldn't prove it, neither can you. Bush served, get over it.

You know ID, you may be the new Don Quixote. You continue to joust with that puff of air that is called Col Klink, when you know that there is nothing behind that curtain! He is the clown that seeing the wizard, instead of asking for his brain, ran away!

You know ID, you may be the new Don Quixote. You continue to joust with that puff of air that is called Col Klink, when you know that there is nothing behind that curtain! He is the clown that seeing the wizard, instead of asking for his brain, ran away!

You are right.  I don't understand how someone can be so obsessed with another person.

read the statements by Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy

please don't insult me (at very least), anyone else who's taken time to read your original article or even yourself by attempting to change the subject.

in the article you wrote--which inspired this thread--you claimed to be disturbed by:

certain people, including the ones just elected to power who seem content and even happy about the possibility of losing in Iraq and the entire war on terror

in reply #37, i challenged you to provide evidence to support your claim by providing direct quotes attributed to specific persons. instead, in your reply #40, you expanded the field to include congressional democrats.


i subsequently widened my challenge in reply #45 to permit you to include any elected official publicly expressing anything close to contentment or happiness regarding the disastrous state of affairs in iraq and you name three honorable members of the united states congress all of whom have served these united states for a number of years; none of whom deserve your despicable slurs.

so much for bearing false witness against others.

hopefully the rest of this community will give serious consideration to your lack of respect for truth when evaluating the verscity of all your other statements.

i really have a difficult time determining which one--you or island dog--possesses the most most simplistic puerile world view. the fact that you both beat lucas outta the running oughta be a wakeup call for the both of you.

Hey now, I'm the king!

We're losing, plain and simple Ted. If we were winning, there wouldn't be the countless deaths, both civilian and military.

If that were true then war is lost by all comers on the first day.  The bacteria is losing this war because they have never once done anything to help the people of Iraq.  Any loser can kill, but we have built up that nation, not just killed people.

The incompetent press makes sure you don't realize that.  For that I spit on them all... there is not ONE among them worthy of being near even the worst US soldier.

As long as America won't meet its match, it will be unable to conduct a successful war because these political elements and the media. Pulling out because of some 3000 losses is a major weakness. It is called major defeat. It also raises doubt what kind of morale this country has. If losing 3000 troops is a serious loss, what will happen in a real war? And don't forget, there is no American living now who experienced what a real war can mean in terms of economic disruption. You were never ever bombed on your own soil. And I read that lots of young Americans are very obese. Obese people don't make good soldiers.

That's because there is NO match for the US! Name just one government that the US could not destroy totally if it so chose to.

There is NO such thing as the War on Terror. Terror is a tactic in war. We are in a war with factions of the Moslems all over the world. What we have done in Iraq and how we have allowed the Israeli/Palestine issue to fester, how we allowed Lebanon to be destroyed over two Israeli soldiers being captured and our presence in the Middle East to protect access to oil are what is behind the hate that is the driving force in the Moslem World toward the U.S. We had a case to enter Afghanistan after 9/11. There was no such justification to invade Iraq. Now we have uncorked the sectarian violence that has existed in Iraq for many years and have allowed foreign groups like al Qaeda to operate in Iraq. The only way to regain control in Iraq would be to send in a massive military force and accept large numbers of casualties on all sides to reestablish security. If we had sent the 500,000 troops when Saddam fell and stopped any organization of both internal and external factions, we might have been able to turn over a stable Iraq to the newly elected Iraqi government. Now that will not happen and Bush kids himself if he believes that stability will be established by our 150,000 troops in Iraq. In the mean time, Afghanistan is getting worse by the day because we NEVER finished the job in that country! There is not a single element of the Bush Foreign policy that has produced anything but a disaster- North Korea, China, Russia and South and Central America as well as the Greater Moslem World. this is as coherent and accurate assessment of the bush legacy as i've yet seen. col gene hardly seems content or happy about the situation. if anything he seems not only frustrated by angered by the way this administration has failed us and the world by insisting down is up, wrong is right and wishes produce results. how much worse do things have to become before you finally see the goddamn light?

well put col and king. the neoconservatives want to spew the rhetoric that those of us opposed to the war are "happy" about their mismanagement and incompetence and the deaths of our fellow citizens that are being put in harms way to protect that rhetoric. quite the opposite is true. we are disgusted, upset, embarrassed for our leaders and it pains us to see what is happening out there. i don't think they understand how much we really wish we would have been proven wrong. we wish there would have been WMD's and nuclear programs. we wish they would have fought a war that they called "the battle of our age" like it actually was instead of sending in just enough force to lose and be humiliated as baghdad bob predicted. we wish they would have engaged the international community and worked at home with all of us to win this war instead of doing it all in their lil "inner circle" where dissent is not even considered.

i stayed silent on my opposition to this war and didn't write on it for almost 2 years (summer of 04 thru early 06) because i wanted them to be successful despite what i thought , felt and knew. this administration was given every chance in the world to get it right over there and ignored everyone who didn't pat them on the back and tell em "heck of a job, bushie!" now it is abundantly clear that these guys don't know what they are doing outside of trying to control media and marketing their messages thru thinly veiled propoganda.

al sadr just walked out on the Iraq goverment today. so bush is meeting with a lame duck leader that can't do anything to improve the situation. that situation is so bad that the iraqi prime minister can't set foot in this country , because everyone will abandon him. and bush can't set foot in Iraq because it is so horrible there.

wake up and smell the coffee. this isn't about liking or hating george bush. this has to do with the future of our nation. a future that is being pissed away by some overly prideful neoconservatives who can't admit they were just plain wrong.

I don't see any terrorists in the streets col. It seems they are all overseas fighting the infidels.

the fact that you or i don't see them here is the real danger. and the reason they are not attacking here is because they don't have to. the 2 world trade center attacks were 8 years apart. these people are patient. as long as we are draining our economy in Iraq, they have no reason to attack here, except to further fuel the fire that is burning fiercely for them.

but according to the nsa wiretapping program, there are lots of terrorists here in our country. and they are just sitting back and watching us make fools of ourselves thinking we can spread freedom and democracy with bullets and bombs.

If that were true then war is lost by all comers on the first day. The bacteria is losing this war because they have never once done anything to help the people of Iraq. Any loser can kill, but we have built up that nation, not just killed people. The incompetent press makes sure you don't realize that. For that I spit on them all... there is not ONE among them worthy of being near even the worst US soldier.

Well, In my opinion, and NO disrespect to the soldiers, but we are losing. Not because they haven't fought well, or bravely enough - they've done more than enough. It's our tactics, our strategy that is flawed.

Again, I go back to the fact that it is an idealogical war. Everytime we kill one, another dozen surface. Every hostile act we do, for whatever reason, inflames it all.

Again, I go back to the fact that it is an idealogical war. Everytime we kill one, another dozen surface. Every hostile act we do, for whatever reason, inflames it all.

Thats the nature of what we are dealing with.  Fighting the enemy makes them and their supporters made.....so what.  Leaving them alone and just hoping islamic terrorism goes away doesn't work.

I think Israel could give us a run for our money, to say the least.

How so? I think we have enough nukes in our subs to turn them into a glass parking lot.

Well, In my opinion, and NO disrespect to the soldiers, but we are losing. Not because they haven't fought well, or bravely enough - they've done more than enough. It's our tactics, our strategy that is flawed.

Yeah our tactics are flawed. They should have green lighted the "total war" concept from the get go.
Insurgents residing in your town? Well then you better get them to move out or you leave cause we're goning to flatten the town! Insurgents hiding armament in your mosque? Get them to move it or well flatten that too. How much of this do you think it would take before they'd quit? Not too awful much I'd say.

How so? I think we have enough nukes in our subs to turn them into a glass parking lot.

Oh, so you're willing to be barbaric...and nuke them? Oh gee, nice. *rolls eyes*

First we need to stop being politically correct and call this war for what it is.

Please, enlighten me.

Yeah our tactics are flawed. They should have green lighted the "total war" concept from the get go. Insurgents residing in your town? Well then you better get them to move out or you leave cause we're goning to flatten the town! Insurgents hiding armament in your mosque? Get them to move it or well flatten that too. How much of this do you think it would take before they'd quit? Not too awful much I'd say.

Yes yes yes, use the old hillbilly routine. Blow things up to kingdom come.

*raises eyebrow, sarcastic*

We'd only end up fanning the flames. Nothing less than pissing them off royally.