no one, including the Republicans, complained.

Republicans will never complain because it is good for the nation and they won't hurt the nation in order to make political points.

When you're a Democrat (or a liberal), it's different.

Yeah, I did not read of Mr. Nixon complain when Mr. Kennedy rigged the election. I guess you are correct when liberals do it then it must be ok.

Dr Guy "Col, how many times are you going to say the same thing over and over. We have already showed you how you can't back this up. Dan Rather couldn't prove it, neither can you. Bush served, get over it." You have done nothing of the sort. The former speaker of the Texas House has admitted he got Bush into the Texas Air National Guard. The unit Bush was in contained many young men with connections and at that time National Guard units were NOT sent to Vietnam. Bush told his economics professor at Harvard that his father’s friends got him both into the Guard and the early Honorable discharge. I personally communicated with this professor. The military Records Bush released that he got from DoD contained a copy of the order that GROUNDED Bush for not taking the REQUIRED Physical. Thus I have PROVEN what I have said about the Bush Guard service and no matter how many times you refuse to accept these facts that is what happened.

You have proven NOTHING! We on the other hand have given you "documented" proof. All you have given us is someones word that such and such happened.

Socialist and Communist ideologues are still rampant in the media and entertainment industries, the first places the Soviets attempted to infiltrate over 80 years ago. Socialism, liberalism and leftist thought are dripping from the walls in colleges and universities. In some, conservative values and ideals are actively discouraged. McCarthy was kind of a clown, but he was right. There was Communist infiltration in the government and media. There still is....in the form of those indoctrinated while in school....and if it hadn't been for McCarthy shining such light as he did on it, putting them on notice, how much farther would it have gone?

Personally, I find that McCarthy was power hungry. So, he took the (at the time) hottest topic, and ran with it. His so called, "crusade against the evils of communism," was nothing more than a quest for power.

I mean, at the time, we called ourselves the land of the free. Free? Free what? Free to get bashed at the time for leaning towards communism? Oh joy, that's one hell of a freedom. *rolls eyes* It was persecution, to a low degree perhaps, but persecution none-the-less.

In my opinion, it was wrong.

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Something I don't get, what is the big fucking deal with "liberalism"? Seriously, everywhere i look, i see it painted as "a great evil," and must be stopped, or it will bring down the US. *rolls eyes*

I mean, the same can be said of conservatism. Liberalism itself, isn't bad. It's the fringe, the fundamentalist sects that cause the trouble. (The same for conservatism.) There's a general, unthinking, grouping of all liberals.

Then i hear folks complaining, about "the liberal indoctrination," of college students. So what? They're old enough, they can believe what they want. Let them decide whether or not they believe what they're told. They're in college, they're not freaking idiots.

Essentially, it's: "they're all the same," but they're not. No one person is.

The freedom to cut off a person's hand because they took a piece of bread without asking?

Oh, and we have the death penalty, which is much nicer. *rolls eyes* How can you say that their punishment is worse? We let people be killed, in so called "justice," which in the end, is justice for no one. It's just vengeance.

Something I don't get, what is the big fucking deal with "liberalism"? Seriously, everywhere i look, i see it painted as "a great evil," and must be stopped, or it will bring down the US. *rolls eyes*

The dirty little secret is that there is nothing wrong with liberalism. The Republican Party was founded on the ideal of liberalism. Liberalism was the driving force in freeing the slaves. Something the mean evil conservative Democrats opposed. Somewhere in the late 50’s the Democrats were losing power and started to mimic the enemies ideas in order to stay in power. Over the span of 10 years the Democratic Party convinced the country that they were the liberals and the Republicans were the evil, homophobic, anti-feminist, money grubbing conservatives. Look at the history of each party. All through the Jim Crow era the Republicans tried to change the laws but were stopped by the evil Democrats. What happened is the Democrats gave liberalism a bad name and the people that are forced to re-write what a conservative is are angry at having our good name and ideals misused and abused just so they can gain power. Now that conservatives have elevated the name conservative to a level of respect again the new liberals are mad that the name they ran into the dirt is not working for them any more. Shakespeare said it best. A rose by any other name would still smell just as sweet. By contrast you can call dog shit a rose but it does not mean it will smell like a rose.
Please don’t misunderstand I don’t mean that the rank and file Democrats were complicit in this subterfuge it was really the Republicans fault. Our good ideals were stolen and we never bothered to explain to the people that the party of ideas had their name stolen. People gravitate to what they believe is right. Our ideals done their way and the ideals turn to crap. But the basic ideals are still good just twisted. The new conservatives are still true to those ideals even under the heading of evil conservatives. This is one of the reasons that the new name only helped them stay in power for 40 years because sooner or later people start to expect results. They lost power 12 years ago and in those 12 years people forgot why the Democrats were swept from power. People that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

The dirty little secret is that there is nothing wrong with liberalism. The Republican Party was founded on the ideal of liberalism. Liberalism was the driving force in freeing the slaves. Something the mean evil conservative Democrats opposed. Somewhere in the late 50’s the Democrats were losing power and started to mimic the enemies ideas in order to stay in power. Over the span of 10 years the Democratic Party convinced the country that they were the liberals and the Republicans were the evil, homophobic, anti-feminist, money grubbing conservatives. Look at the history of each party. All through the Jim Crow era the Republicans tried to change the laws but were stopped by the evil Democrats. What happened is the Democrats gave liberalism a bad name and the people that are forced to re-write what a conservative is are angry at having our good name and ideals misused and abused just so they can gain power. Now that conservatives have elevated the name conservative to a level of respect again the new liberals are mad that the name they ran into the dirt is not working for them any more. Shakespeare said it best. A rose by any other name would still smell just as sweet. By contrast you can call dog shit a rose but it does not mean it will smell like a rose. Please don’t misunderstand I don’t mean that the rank and file Democrats were complicit in this subterfuge it was really the Republicans fault.

Our good ideals were stolen and we never bothered to explain to the people that the party of ideas had their name stolen. People gravitate to what they believe is right. Our ideals done their way and the ideals turn to crap. But the basic ideals are still good just twisted. The new conservatives are still true to those ideals even under the heading of evil conservatives. This is one of the reasons that the new name only helped them stay in power for 40 years because sooner or later people start to expect results. They lost power 12 years ago and in those 12 years people forgot why the Democrats were swept from power. People that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Ohhhkay...think i got it...maybe...sorta...

Funny thing is...i think what you said, is what i've said to others...of both parties, and they've in turn said that i was wrong.

*puzzled*

Funny thing is...i think what you said, is what i've said to others...of both parties, and they've in turn said that i was wrong.

Not a provlem. All you need to do is start listening to Rush Limbaugh during the week. Remember to vote Republican every election and you will no longer be puzzled. Over time you will see the light. Leave the dark side come onto the light. (smile)

The freedom to cut off a person's hand because they took a piece of bread without asking? Oh, and we have the death penalty, which is much nicer. *rolls eyes* How can you say that their punishment is worse? We let people be killed, in so called "justice," which in the end, is justice for no one. It's just vengeance.

It most certainly is. The major thing is we don't impose it for stealing a piece of bread.

It most certainly is. The major thing is we don't impose it for stealing a piece of bread.

Oh yes, silly me. I see it now. You sit in the electric chair, frying to death. You lay on the bed, dying slowly. Forgive me if i think it's all BS.

Not a provlem. All you need to do is start listening to Rush Limbaugh during the week. Remember to vote Republican every election and you will no longer be puzzled. Over time you will see the light. Leave the dark side come onto the light. (smile)

No thanks. I'm perfectly fine being where I am.

Oh yes, silly me. I see it now. You sit in the electric chair, frying to death. You lay on the bed, dying slowly. Forgive me if i think it's all BS.

The majority of the people against the death penalty are pro abortion. Most people against abortion are pro death penalty. I see it this way Give a child the chance to become an adult. If they become bad people then abort them. See how it works they mess up and then we kill them instead of killing someone that did nothing wrong. Killing the innocent is bad in my mind. Killing the guilty I don’t have a problem. Taking away someone’s freedom is a serious thing to me. Locking some one up for breaking the law is serious no matter how small the crime. If a person breaks the social laws they should pay the penalty as prescribed by law. Some states have a death penalty it is the desire of those states to punish in this way. I don’t have a problem with it. I have cousin doing life for a murder he did not commit. If NY had the death penalty he would be dead right now, I say this because I don’t want you to think that I believe what I believe for academic reasons.

I'm against the death penalty, and undecided with abortion. I hold a person's right to choose in high value, but then again...i'm the same way with life.

So...bit of a debacle really.

~L

I'm against the death penalty, and undecided with abortion. I hold a person's right to choose in high value, but then again...i'm the same way with life.

The right to choose to murder your own child is the right of all parents. It used to be that if your child pissed you off you killed the kid and make a new one. It was not until the late 1800's did childeren start to have any rights. I find it strange that the same organization that demanded we give rights to childern to keep them from being abused feels it is ok to kill childern.

I mean, at the time, we called ourselves the land of the free. Free? Free what? Free to get bashed at the time for leaning towards communism? Oh joy, that's one hell of a freedom. *rolls eyes* It was persecution, to a low degree perhaps, but persecution none-the-less.

---Lucas

What you're not seeing here is that, at the time, Communism really was powerful and on the move all over the world, aggressively acquiring nations and people. That caused a lot of raw nerves. It really was a threat to us, at the time and still is, really, in a way.
In the 15 years since the Great Collapse---and especially since we've learned from their archives that much of their belligerency and aggressions in our direction were largely illusory and bluff---we've been lulled by the hard Left into seeing the Soviets as just another country gone wrong; just another nation we dealt with. In the early 50s, they were our Great Satan.



Palladin....you're a wise man; I've been looking for a long, long time for a way to say what you did here in a couple posts. Well said.

Okay, now it's not letting me edit....I swear there are more server errors now than before the changes. Here's an edit of the post above:

I mean, at the time, we called ourselves the land of the free. Free? Free what? Free to get bashed at the time for leaning towards communism? Oh joy, that's one hell of a freedom. *rolls eyes* It was persecution, to a low degree perhaps, but persecution none-the-less.

---Lucas

What you're not seeing here is that, at the time, Communist totalitarianism really was powerful and on the move all over the world, aggressively acquiring nations and people. That caused a lot of raw nerves.
It really was a threat to us and our way of life, at the time, and still is, really, in a way. This is because their ideals are still around....kept alive long past their sell-by date, on life support managed by neo-Socialists and other self-deluding diehards who refuse to see the truth. That their "Vision", their "Plan" for Utopia, is flawed.
In the 15 years since the Great Collapse---and especially since we've learned from their archives that much of their belligerency and aggressions, at least in our direction, were largely illusory and bluff; their plan was to infiltrate and undermine us, rather than fight us---we've been lulled by the hard Left into seeing the Soviets as just another country gone wrong; just another nation we dealt with. In the early 50s, they were our Great Satan.


Palladin....you're a wise man; I've been looking for a long, long time for a way to say what you did here in a couple posts. Well said.

I'm against the death penalty, and undecided with abortion. I hold a person's right to choose in high value, but then again...i'm the same way with life.

You are against killing people that have taken life, yet not against people taking a life that has done no crime?

Damn! I hate to say it, but I agree with LW. You are a fool.

Damn! I hate to say it, but I agree with LW. You are a fool.

---DrGuy

I don't think he's a fool, Doc....he's got brains, but, being a liberal, he just doesn't seem to use them!  

In all seriousness, I'm enjoying the back-and-forth with him; some of his...."liberalness"....seems a little forced or deliberate, at times. Like he's trying hard to keep up appearances, or something.
I think he's maybe a somewhat less of a liberal thinker than he likes to portray himself. Though, I'm not sure what personal reasons he may have to do so.

Like he's trying hard to keep up appearances, or something.

DAMN! When you are right you are right!

Ok, he suckered me in on this one! Thanks for the beatch slap!