| As for "rights", I'm not sure what you mean. It was the American right that freed the slaves, fought for women's suffrage, and killed segregation. Look at the opponents of rights historically and there's a (D) by their name. |
Brad, just because there was an R beside their name, doesn't mean that they are conservatives.
If you look at history, during the civil wars...it was the party called the "radical republicans," who advocated rights for blacks, and wanted harsh punishment against the south for both seceding from the Union, and for the (wht they said) travesty against the blacks. (Albeit, possibly in order to garner votes...I'll talk about that later. See # 2) It was the party called the "democrats," who opposed it.
The REPS were largely in the north, and DEMS in the south. I believe the transition started during the reconstruction, if not before hand. The parties essentially flip-flopped (not unlike todays politicians
).
Those who were radical "republicans" before the CW, were now known as the Democrats, and vice versa.
Why? I don't know, but it is thought that the radical fringes of the parties gained enough power to bring about the change, and slowly but surely they shifted.
This was also the start of the growing gap between moderates and non moderates of both parties.
I mean, Andrew Jackson was an opponent of the radical fringe of the republican party, and was nearly impeached because of that. (Sound familiar?)
So, to bring what I said together...
Modern day republicans, were once known as "democrats." So to speak. They held a strong base in the south, which was traditional, etc...
Modern day democrats, were once known as radical "republicans." Their base was mostly in the north, and north east. (Sound familiar?)
#2 - It's believed that, in line with politics...that the radical fringe may have took their stance (against slavery) because they saw that they could, if successful, garner a lot of votes from the blacks. This would give them a better, if not an extremely better chance for power. So, they pursude it.
If you notice, modern day democrats have a very large base of....*drum rolls*...blacks.
See?
| The only ideal I've seen you uphold is that everyone should be treated equally regardless of what they've done. Hence, your arguments almost always boil down to moral equivication. |
Really, where, when, how?
| Since when is American liberalism tolerant? They're the ones who try to shut down other people's right to speak out. If you believe in tolerance -- real tolerance -- you should be a conservative. |
Funny, most of those who are intolerant of...gays, are conservative. Those who were intolerant of black rights, were conservative.
I admit that there are intolerant liberals, just as much as there are intolerant conservatives.
I don't they necessarily shout down one's right to speak out, but shout down what they see as hate, etc...
Also, I'd say they haven't matured enough to learn to express their dislike in a reasonable manner.
For the most part, I think that most of the so called"loony left," incorporates young, idealized, and often fanatical (not crazy) adults.
To borrow a quote, that was said in regards to something else, but is very apt with this:
"Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence." ~Hossam Ahmed (Retired US Air Force Colnel)
WWW Link| The problem I have with your "beliefs", Lucas is that you claim high minded opinions but are quick to condemn others who don't share them. There's nothing tolerant in your views. |
I don't intend to comdemn, i intend to try to get folks to step back and question, self evaluate.
