ScoffPiggyThomlinson: If you hadn't invaded oil rich Iraq, you'd be but a blip on the radar. I mean, beyond bombs and Microsoft, all thats left is a cardboard culture. Frankly in New Zealand at least, you're far more pitied than hated.

Oil rich Iraq? My friend you are sorely misguided. There is more oil in reserve off the coast of one of our states called Florida then there is in all of Iraq. If we went into Iraq for oil it would be worth ridicule. If there was so much oil in Iraq why did Iraq invade Kuwait? Oh yeah it was for oil. As for the rest it is your opinion and in my country you are welcome to have one or two even if they are contrary to mine or anyone else's.

I think it would be best if you learned reading comprehension.

Thats funny. I figured the only way anyone would be able to comprehend what you've written is to become stupidier not smarter.

If you see what I wrote as bad or a slam against a nation then you misread it.

Or otherwise just very poorly written.

You are good at telling lies I grant you that.

Lies.... like the ones about WMD you mean?

Hence Iraq who had been giving aid to the terrorist to the point that terrorist injured in Afghanistan were in hospital in Iraq.

Is that why the US invaded? Gee the actual reason has changed so many times now that I cant keep up. A terrorist in hospital bed so you invade Iraq? How about a terrorist in a flight school? Should we all invade you?

How about a future terrorist in a CIA funded terror school? Can you categorically state that you dont have a terrorist in hospital bed in the states right now? No of course not. No government has that level of introspection. But somehow or should i say "conveniently" you expect the Iraqi government should?

Besides knowing you guys, your "intelligence" on the matter was probably completely wrong anyhow. How many times are you going to attempt to rewrite your lousy pretext for war?

If you wish to be counted with them then we as a nation will be coming after you as well.

  You cant even handle that which is currently on your plate sunshine so dont bother making idle threats. Although you could add that to your list of why the world dispises you.i.e "threatening overtures" and "openly hostile to any form of dissent", despite your shallow attempts of trying to pass yourselves off as the "defenders of freedom".

Any other nation that is seen as aiding the terrorist that attacked us will be in for the same fate.

   Well then you'd better start attacking yourselves (and more than just the odd conspiracist thinks you already did) because as everyone knows it was the US that created and funded Osama.

Oil rich Iraq? My friend you are sorely misguided. There is more oil in reserve off the coast of one of our states called Florida then there is in all of Iraq.

Misguided? Clearly you are as ill informed as you seem. You definitely do struggle with the mathematical concept of quantities dont you? Your own CIA tells us that Iraq has 5 times as much oil reserves as the US. The US is also the worlds leading consumer of oil.

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As for motive well:

"Global oil consumption is close to 80 million barrels per day, and is also very unevenly distributed. The USA consumes over a quarter of this, whilst producing only 9.2%, making it (on a per capita basis) the most heavily-consuming and import-dependent country in the world. "

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"In any case, major oil importers aren't waiting around to find out who's right. The US, Japan, Europe, and China, are scrambling to tie down petroleum resources in the Caspian Sea region, Russia, West Africa, Iraq, Iran, and Libya."

"Many experts suspect that oil was one reason, among others, the US invaded Iraq. America's longstanding concern with its oil supplies is nothing new. Newly declassified British documents suggest that President Nixon was prepared as a "last resort" to launch airborne troops to seize oil fields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Abu Dhabi to end the 1973-74 oil embargo on the US by the Arab nations."

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I wont suggest your deliberately "telling lies" about such facts. As it's clear you're more ignorant than cunning.

As for the rest it is your opinion and in my country you are welcome to have one or two even if they are contrary to mine or anyone else's.

Well thankfully i dont live in your country. So i shant be needing your permission to express any opinion of mine. And just "one or two"? There goes that "for or against" mentality again?

Best keeps things simple aey, lest it get confusing for you when your dropping all them bombs? Much easier when its just good guys and bad guys huh? Cowboys and indians?  

Lies.... like the ones about WMD you mean?

I see you ignored what I wrote about the stockpile of WMD found. So far they have discovered three different stockpiles. Proof that Iraq had WMD's has been there for years. It was in the surrender document signed by Iraq at the end of the Gulf war. The listed what stockpiles and types of WMD they had. Unless you are saying they lied to us and really did not have them. The UN went in to destroy them and were kicked out before the job was finished. Less than half of the admitted stockpiles are accounted for.

So I ask you where is the lie? Your hard hearted beleife that Mr. Bush lied to get into a war has one less valid claim.

Besides knowing you guys, your "intelligence" on the matter was probably completely wrong anyhow. How many times are you going to attempt to rewrite your lousy pretext for war?

Speaking to British MPs, Prime Minister Tony Blair was just as explicit: "Let me deal with the conspiracy theory idea that this is somehow to do with oil. There is no way whatever if oil were the issue that it would not be infinitely simpler to cut a deal with Saddam...." (London Times 1/15/03).

(in the president's words) of "Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempts to hide those weapons from inspectors, and its links to terrorist groups."

The stated objective of the invasion was "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people"


Seems pretty consistant to me. Just because the press likes to gin things up and change the priority of the many reasong to go to war, the facts remain the same. It is not rewriting history it is reminding you of it.

I wont suggest your deliberately "telling lies" about such facts. As it's clear you're more ignorant than cunning.

You are delusional if you think you have proven anything. The articles you site have one consistant theme. The words "suspect" and "suggest" are speculative, not difinitive. In short you are taking the word of un-named sources that won't go farther out on a limb than to say they suspect that America went to war for oil even when there is proof otherwise.

It has been the policy of the United States to import oil as long as it is cheaper because it means our reserves will stay intact longer. Now here is something you can chew on. There is no shortage of oil. Oil is naturally produced and is not a fosil fuel as once believed. But since you are not interested in learning the truth about the war why should I expect you to bother to learn about oil.

You know as well as I do capitalism is vastly more efficient than communism. Communism cripples industrial quality and stifles innovation through rewarding obedience over creativity. The US' economic base, built on a large, well-educated population, a huge resource base and canny economic management both on the national and international level (through the '70s Bretton-Woods agreements), was so much better than the Soviet's it wasn't funny. I'm surprised that you of all people question the advantages of a capitalist system.

No, I just wanted to make sure this fact was not taken for granted.

There is a reason why the US had a greater economic base than the Soviet Union and that advantage was one of the underlying principles of why we fought the cold war.

You cant even handle that which is currently on your plate sunshine so dont bother making idle threats. Although you could add that to your list of why the world dispises you.i.e "threatening overtures" and "openly hostile to any form of dissent", despite your shallow attempts of trying to pass yourselves off as the "defenders of freedom".

This is where that comprehension thing comes in so handy. It was not a threat it was a warning to those that choose to side with terrorist.

I find it strange that your nation fought in WWII even though your nation was not directly attacked. I think you missed that little thing on September 11 2001 or the broadcasts of the terrorist saying that it is their intention to kill or convert the entire world to Islam. Either you don't believe they will carry out that threat or you don't believe you are part of the world. I don't believe they will succeed but with you in their fan club it may take longer to beat them.

Xythe: I'm have not read all the above content, other that the article itself. In response to the OP and his article: It's lonely at the top, and your entitle to be as jealous as you like.

Be nice.   

(Citizen)Paladin77November 18, 2006 21:39:25

Are you an American? Your views seem pretty well biased. yup, born in the Bronx. Former registered Democrat. can't get any more American than that.

1416 Walton ave.

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American and damn proud of being a citizen of the greatest country on the planet.

Most countries hate us because we have it all, freedom at the top of the list our poor people here live better than the middle class of other countries live,

Poor here in Americas means you are a one car family, only 2 or 3 televisions, the refrigerator is only half full, you have an air conditioner in the window instead of central air, you have to use the laundromat instead of in home washer and dryer.

I could go on and on but I am sure this is enough to get some of our resident commies will get their panties all in a bunch.

1621 Hone Ave.

Live there until the collored people started moving in and we went to Westchester.

When I lived in Korea the middle class still washed their clothes in a river, I was shocked to see them do it in the winter time.

I have not lived in Spain since the early 80's but if you wanted to watch TV you went to a local bar.

Yeah, you are right about the middle class Vs. our poor.

Live there until the collored people started moving in and we went to Westchester.

I thought you said you were black? Why would the arrival of other blacks make you want to move?

Some of the most virulent racists I know are upper class blacks, full of disgust and disdain for their own, and yeah, these folks head out to the suburbs just like anyone else who can afford to.

Well it makes sense. No one hates white trash as much as white snobs, so I suppose it makes sense for it to go the same way for blacks as well.

If you wish to be counted with them then we as a nation will be coming after you as well. You cant even handle that which is currently on your plate sunshine so dont bother making idle threats.

Hey yo-yo.....the US doesn't make "idle" threats. At least Bush doesn't.

Misguided? Clearly you are as ill informed as you seem. You definitely do struggle with the mathematical concept of quantities dont you? Your own CIA tells us that Iraq has 5 times as much oil reserves as the US. The US is also the worlds leading consumer of oil.

Ill informed? You must be talking about yourself. Between the 2 of you, you're compairing apples to oranges. He's talking about oil reserves period! You on the other hand are talking about "proved" oil reserves. Big difference. Proved means that they have pulled oil from that reserve which is what it means to "prove" one. On the other hand the US has a SH*T pile of reserves that we have not been allowed to touch or to be able to "prove".

[edit] Definition of Oil Reserves Oil reserves are a primarily a measure of geological risk — of the probability of oil existing and being producible under current economic conditions using current technology. The three categories of reserves generally used are proven, probable, and possible reserves. Proven Reserves - defined as oil and gas "Reasonably Certain" to be producible using current technology at current prices, with current commercial terms and government consent, also known in the industry as 1P. Some Industry specialists refer to this as P90, i.e., having a 90% certainty of being produced. Probable Reserves - defined as oil and gas "Reasonably Probable" of being produced using current or likely technology at current prices, with current commercial terms and government concent. Some Industry specialists refer to this as P50, i.e., having a 50 % certainty of being produced. This is also known in the industry as 2P or Proven plus probable. Possible Reserves - i.e., "having a chance of being developed under favourable circumstances". Some Industry specialists refer to this as P10, i.e., having a 10 % certainty of being produced.

And just a little side question....."If" we had gone to Iraq over oil as you have suggested, then "why" have we not increased oil shipments from Iraq to the US?

Well thankfully i dont live in your country

Well thank God for small favors!

I thought you said you were black? Why would the arrival of other blacks make you want to move?

Are you so racist to believe that colored means black? LOL I lived in a Jewish section of town and the Italians lived on the other sided of the street. other colored people started moving into my side of the street. Though my father was Roman Catholic, my mother was Babtist, and my sister was Muslim, I, the baby of the family, choose to convert to Judism. Yes, holidays were fun in my house. On a personal note I also taught history in school and bible study in Christian churches. I feel free to pick on everyone!

In all seriousness, cacto, many working class blacks WILL leave a neighborhood when it gets too 'dark' because with that increasing depth of color comes increasing crime rates, increased drug activity, and a host of other social problems that are overrepresented within that racial group.

Or Italians, and Irish they pray funny and lie alot. lol Just for the record I moved into a 90% black town call Mt. Vernon. Malcome X family moved into a huge house down the street from us. Funny no crime there until the Irish started moving in. Though white is a shade just like black I think of them as colored because of my liberal upbringing.

And just a little side question....."If" we had gone to Iraq over oil as you have suggested, then "why" have we not increased oil shipments from Iraq to the US?

Please do not confuse the issue with fact or logic.   

Are you so racist to believe that colored means black?

Apparently yes. I've only seen the term used in Apartheid-era South African and Imperial British literature. What races are covered by 'coloured' to you? I would never have guessed the Irish and the Italians would fit in that description.

Where did you hear it first used in that context, if you don't mind me asking? The origins of words are always interesting, and I've never come across any reports of black communities that consider whites 'coloured', so your example is particularly interesting.

Although Irish are considered white Italians are dark people. In the old Apartheid Japanese were honorary white people while Chinese and Koreans were colored. Each nation has its own belief of colored. In some African nations white is colored. Anglo-Saxon are white, while Russians were dark. At one time in America Jews were considered dark people. Generally colored is abnormal to the group. In America Colored used to mean black because it was easier to slam black people by calling them colored. In the south colored was a polite way of saying the N word.

Where did you hear it first used in that context, if you don't mind me asking? The origins of words are always interesting, and I've never come across any reports of black communities that consider whites 'coloured', so your example is particularly interesting.

Redd Foxx was the first to use this context in his show Sanford and son. A white cop was asking him about the people that robbed him. the cop asked if they were colored and Sanford said yeah, white.