Global Warming is REAL

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Global Warming is REAL

We need to find a new place to live.

This is a truncated version of a book I wrote a few years ago. I think you will get a kick from it.

Global warming is a known fact. It has been a fact for over fifty years, yet no one is worried about it because it will take billions of years for global warming to kill the Earth.
This is also a known fact. What most people including the scientist have not figured out is that with global warming we will be among the first to die as a species.

Some small attention is being raised by the kook fringe but their claims are so off the wall that they are being ignored. Let’s start on the outside and work our way in.

The sun will die in roughly five billion years. When the sun dies nothing in the solar system will survive. All living organisms on this planet survive within a narrow temperature range once that range is altered the organisms will die. Humans can live within a range of minus one hundred degrees to a maximum of plus one hundred forty degrees Fahrenheit. this narrow temperature range mark the limits of what humans can survive but in order for humans to flourish we need to be safely within this range, between zero and eighty degrees Fahrenheit.

The process of a stars death

As the sun burns fuel its mass is reduced, as the mass is reduced the magnetic field weakens. As the field weakens the star (our sun) expands. The magnetic field that holds in most of the heat and radiation stretches a bit. It has been doing this for millions of years. There is a zone of habitability a few million miles wide. As the sun expands this zone moves with the expansion. At one time the planet Venus was within this zone and earth was a very cold place. The zone moving with the expansion of the sun has turned Venus into a nasty place to live with temperatures around nine hundred degrees Fahrenheit. The oceans have boiled away, the radiation level is lethal, and the global warming has run amok. The earth is coming to the end of the habitability zone. The earth will get hotter, the first signs that the earth is in its last stages will be an ice age. The earth is a living organism that regulates its temperature. But the earth can only do this one or two more times before the seas begin to heat up, the water trapped in the poles melts to cool the earth then even that won’t work any more and the water will begin to boil. Not to worry we (all humans on earth) will all be dead by then. The best guess the scientists have at this time is a million maybe a million and a half years before this happens. So yes the sun will die in five billion years but the earth will become uninhabitable in less than two million years.

Back to the Sun getting weaker. The sun will expand but as it does so will the radiation striking the earth. Notice that there are more people dieing of cancer. Cigarette smoking was blamed for the increase in cancer deaths, but not all those people smoked, then second hand smoke was blamed but that has been proven false. Then people blamed the environment or more to the point humans destroying the environment. This is where the kook fringe comes in. Don’t misunderstand I am not saying that cleaning up the environment has not helped humans live longer. But if we dumped all our hazardous waste wherever we wanted we would not kill that many more people. We as a species need to grasp the fact that we can not save the earth. We can not stop the end of days. We can not prolong our stay on this planet. The last time there was global warming was millions of years ago. It took all the volcanoes on this planet erupting simultaneously for roughly three thousand years to achieve this global warming. We have not been burning fossil fuels for more than two hundred years yet the earth is supposedly being super heated by man.

There are only two ways to save the sun and in doing so save the earth.
The first way is a little difficult. We have to take all the hydrogen from both Jupiter and Saturn then compress the hydrogen to the size of the planet Mars and insert it into the center of the sun without igniting the fusion process prematurely. This will give the sun more mass and increase its magnetic field and bring the earth closer to the center of the habitability zone adding a few million maybe even a billion years to the life of the earth for us. Chances of success are negligible. Ok it’s a little tricky and we don’t have the technology yet and the ramifications of removing the two largest planets in the solar system need to be studied. We also need to study what the added mass will do to our orbit but little things like that can be worked out.

The other way is a little crazy. All we have to do is create a transparent shield to circle the sun that will block the harmful UV radiation and reduce the heat. Short of doing either of these means we have to find a new place to live outside of the solar system.

Honey call the movers

I know some misguided people think they can transform Mars into a habitable planet but it is not possible. Allow me to explain why.

Mars is a third the size of the earth with negligible water and air. Mars is also a geologically dead planet, it no longer has the ability to retain an atmosphere that can sustain humans. It has no ozone layer to protect us from radiation. The best guess from scientist is that it will take millions of years to teraform the planet once we get the technology. By then the habitability zone will have just reached Mars but without a strong gravitational field to hold an atmosphere it won’t do us any good. Any oxygen we can bring or manufacture would drift off the planet into space. Even if those little problems are overcome the planet will only be habitable for a few million years and we have to find another place to live as the sun is still going to die and as it expands it will kill everyone on the planet Mars.

This brings me to the only option left, find a planet outside of the solar system and move there. With a limited amount of time left to us we either have to figure a way of getting a huge number of people off the earth and onto another planet or resign ourselves to the fact that the only hint that we ever existed left the solar system with our deep space probes like Voyager and all our radio and television broadcasts.

There are no other planets in our solar system that can hold our population, or sustain life. we have to look to another planet and that will be very difficult. As space travelers we are still in the womb. It took millions of man hours and a few hundred billion dollars to get three people quarter of a million miles to the moon with a three day travel time. We need to travel at least a few dozen light-years. We have to first find a planet that can sustain humans and then figure a way to get us there all the while hoping the place is not already occupied by the time we arrive.

No pressure folks we will all be dead by then it is for our progeny, the survival of the species that we need to get to work on this as soon as possible. We are willing to do without aerosol spray to save the children, we are willing to restrict our pleasures to protect our children, and we are willing to put people in jail to protect the spotted lizard owl or what ever it is that some wack job wants us all to save. You think the poor fish in the ocean are in pain from being hooked or netted, think of the pain they will feel when they are boiled to death. Now you know we are all going to lose the battle of saving the earth and no amount of conservation can help let’s try to do something useful and get our butts off this rock before we are a faded memory.

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So there are no holes in the Ozone layer? I'm not saying there are because I have no way of knowing, I just have heard the intensity of light is stronger then before because of these so called holes in the O zone layer.

Here ya go:

Ozone Hole

Ozone depletion occurs when the natural balance between the production and destruction of stratospheric ozone is tipped in favour of destruction. Although natural phenomena can cause temporary ozone losses, chlorine and bromine released from man-made synthetic compounds such as CFCs are now accepted as the main cause of this depletion.

A common misconception is that there is an ozone hole above us in the sky which is letting in harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the Sun. Ozone depletion, in fact, is occurring all over the world due to man-made pollution, at levels within the stratosphere, 19 to 30 km above the Earth's surface. However, in certain parts of the world, ozone depletion is particularly severe, and it is in the regions where the term "ozone hole" strictly applies.

Every September and October during the Southern Hemisphere springtime, significant ozone destruction is observed in the stratosphere above Antarctica, with losses of up to 60%. Levels of ozone are measured in Dobson Units (D.U.). The average amount of stratospheric ozone throughout the world is about 300 D.U. Ozone concentrations over Antarctica during the period of greatest depletion usually fall well below 200 D.U. When ozone concentrations are plotted on a map, the presence of a large ozone hole over the continent is striking.

The formation of the ozone hole over Antarctica is a consequence of the special atmospheric conditions which occur there, in particularly the very low stratospheric temperatures (below -80°C), the isolated wind patterns and the presence of continuous sunlight after the September equinox. Every summer (December to January) the hole repairs itself when stratospheric temperatures rise and the air above Antarctica mixes with the rest of the world's atmosphere. This cycle of ozone hole formation and reparation is repeated every year. The ozone hole over Antarctica has been forming every year since the early 1970s. In recent years the hole has become both larger and deeper, in the sense that more and more ozone is being destroyed.

Every March to April during the Northern Hemisphere springtime similar, but less pronounced ozone hole forms above the Arctic. The natural circulation of wind - the polar vortex - which isolates Antarctica from the rest of the world during the Southern Hemisphere winter and early spring, contributing to the ozone loss there, is much less developed in the Northern Hemisphere above the Arctic. In addition, stratospheric temperatures there are not as low as in the Antarctic, and consequently the loss of ozone is not as severe. However, the formation of even a moderate ozone hole above the Arctic region can give cause for considerable concern due to the greater populations in the higher latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere.

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Nice link too bad the informaton is over 10 years old and is obsolete. We have now found out that the Ozone replenishes itself. That it ebbs and flows in cycles and that polution has little or nothing to do with the depletion of the layer. During solar max we get hit with solar flairs which expands our atmosphere beyond the earths ability to hold on to it. The solar winds blow off ozone as well as other layers of our atmosphere. This was not known in 1994 when it was first studied by federal grants to save the earth. Notice you don't hear about the ozone layer in the news any more. Did you ever wonder why it is no longer news? Did you notice that most of the supporting links on the link you gave have been pulled because they are obsolete? As soon as it was discovered the save the earth nuts started screaming that it was all our fault, now the facts are made public destroying thier supersticion they jumped to global warming was all mans fault, now that is in serious dispute what wil they blame on man next? Go to the link you gave and try to pull up the EPA links. The pages have been removed.

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Go to the link you gave and try to pull up the EPA links. The pages have been removed.

Your right most of them are gone. But you must have over looked this EPA link that "still" works.

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And as the link says it runs in cycles. Yes, ozone depleating chemicals cause it and we release some of those chemicals. Nothing there proves what you stated before was right or wrong.

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"What other major events, have altered anything in the solar system?"

Was the question... all you did was rattle off a bunch of discoveries. Yes discoveries are interesting, but I'm talking about events. Did California drop into the sea, only astronomically, or solar system wise. The last major event, asteroids hitting Jupiter, and then before that, the only one I am aware of was the asteroid that supposedly hit earth 65 million years ago.

Your assertion that the sun grew 150 miles or so qualifies, but by what in radius, diameter, circumference? What does that mean anyway? The moon drifted away by 30 feet, ok so it still orbits Earth right? again, you are saying in 150,000 years its over, but I see galactic events inside the solar system, and in areas of the universe, stable enough to yield a civilization as ours, which takes millions of years, if not billions, as rather lucky in a sort of perspective. So you say its all over in a fraction of that I would like some more convincing evidence.

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"the gravity is created by the spinning of the core" gravity is not created by spinning, newton says objects attract in relation to their mass. There is no spinning involved. Do tell me that newton was wrong, you already have told me Einstein was. As of right now they are still naming schools after him and not you Pally.

"That is what is at the center of the earth a puddle of radioactive slag."

Well thats clearly b.s.

"We have now found out that the Ozone replenishes itself."

What makes you think that the earth doesn't self-regulate many other mechanisms that keep it from falling apart. I tend to think that the Earth has many more then a few hundred thousands years left, not only that, but if the situation does become so serious, that industry cannot devise a way of reducing the situation. If sunlight is really a long term, for sure problem, why not launch a solar shade lol, that is folded up like a Japanes or-gamy, make it so that less solar energy reaches earth. I bet that if we are talking increments of sunlight of less then ten-thousandths of a percent that we can fix that relatively easily. Certainly easier then packing up all of human civilization, and leaving lol. But maybe I'm the crank then not u Pally.

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You should do a little research "before" you call bs.

Radioactive potassium may be major heat source in Earth's core

Posted on: Saturday December 13, 2003.

Earth's core. Image by NASA.

Radioactive potassium, common enough on Earth to make potassium-rich bananas one of the "hottest" foods around, appears also to be a substantial source of heat in the Earth's core, according to recent experiments by University of California, Berkeley, geophysicists.
Radioactive potassium, uranium and thorium are thought to be the three main sources of heat in the Earth's interior, aside from that generated by the formation of the planet. Together, the heat keeps the mantle actively churning and the core generating a protective magnetic field.

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I find it hard to believe that you are this obtuse. You write well and your questions if honest are very good, but I find it hard to believe with what has been presented so far you start going into a col Gene syndrome. No insult meant.
Those discoveries are important because they help us understand what is happening on a large as well as a small scale. It was the discovery of the asteroid that is coming our way in 30 years or so that helped us notice that the Andromeda Galaxy is coming this way. Yes it is coming slowly but still coming and will collide with our galaxy. This when we believed that the universe was static. It is what proved the existence of black holes which are so numerous that it is explaining why at the center of our galaxy we have eight stars being yanked around at 3 million miles an hour. Our Super Massive Black Hole (this is the actual scientific term) at the center of our galaxy has come out of a dormant period and has begun to devour solar systems again. This will change things for us as we pass through the galactic plane. How things will change I am not sure. I believe that we are feeling some of the effects right now. Seeing as it has just been noticed within the last few years that this is happening but they don’t know how long it as been devouring solar systems. All of it fits together, you can’t point at one thing and say this is the cause of “x”. Our sun is the major cause of global warming but there are other factors involved and must be taken into account.

Your assertion that the sun grew 150 miles or so qualifies, but by what in radius, diameter, circumference?

The answer is yes to all three.

What does that mean anyway?

It means that the sun is expanding. As it expands its heat on the earth gets stronger, causeing global warming.

The moon drifted away by 30 feet, ok so it still orbits Earth right?

Yes, currently the Moon is still with us. But as it moves away the Earths rotation will slow down. Every wonder why the earth takes 24 hours and 9 minutes to make up a day and that every 4 years we have a "leap year" to compensate? As the Moon gets farther out we will need two leap days every four years. It is predicted that when the Moon no longer has any influence a single day will last 46 hours. This will mean that the sun will have more time warm each spot on the planet. On average the temp will not be much of an increase but when you have 21 hours of daylight baking the earth dry.

again, you are saying in 150,000 years its over, but I see galactic events inside the solar system, and in areas of the universe, stable enough to yield a civilization as ours, which takes millions of years, if not billions, as rather lucky in a sort of perspective.

You don't know this. Modern man has only been on this planet for roughly 7,000 years. All of our major advancements other than the wheel have occured in the last 500 years. The Earth has a climatic cycle of 20 to 22 thousand years. So we have 13 to 15 thousand years before man will have been around for one cycle. I have a hard time believing that man will last that long.

So you say its all over in a fraction of that I would like some more convincing evidence.

As stated above we have only been around a fraction of time. The earth is 4.5 billion years old man has been on the earth for the last 7,000 years. Do the math what fraction of earths life has man been around? And this is the earths middle age.

Do tell me that newton was wrong, you already have told me Einstein was. As of right now they are still naming schools after him and not you Pally.

Nope, won't call eitehr of them wrong. I will say that you are misunderstanding what they said by over simplifying their hard work. I was agreeing with Mr. Einstein and all the other scientist that looked at his work. If you understood what they have written you would see that General Relativity only works so far then it starts to fall apart. Mr. Einstein pointed out that there is a problem with his math but did not have the ability to see it let alone solve it. Professor Hawking thought he solved it but it is falling apart as well. Professor Hwwking thinks he fixed it but no one is buying it as of yet. My E-mails to him have not produced the actual equation he came up with as a fix. When I get it I will know if he is on the right track. Time will tell.

I wrote: "That is what is at the center of the earth a puddle of radioactive slag."

Mr. Greene replied: Well thats clearly b.s.

If you really believe this then you have not read anything written by scientist on the subject in your life. Do you think the lava that comes out of the ground is magic?

What makes you think that the earth doesn't self-regulate many other mechanisms that keep it from falling apart.

I don't think the earth is falling apart. The ice ages are one of the self regulating devices. These devices are not designed to protect us. Keep in mind that the original atmosphere of this planet was sulfer dioxide. It was the animals called coral that eat sulfer and carbon to make the reefs and release oxygen as a byproduct. Because to them we have air to breath or there would be no animals that breath oxygen. Just in case you did not connect the dots that means man.

Earth has many more then a few hundred thousands years left, not only that, but if the situation does become so serious, that industry cannot devise a way of reducing the situation. If sunlight is really a long term, for sure problem, why not launch a solar shade lol, that is folded up like a Japanes or-gamy, make it so that less solar energy reaches earth. I bet that if we are talking increments of sunlight of less then ten-thousandths of a percent that we can fix that relatively easily.

If you re-read my article you will see that suggestion. The Earth is not in trouble and will be here for billions of years. Man will not be here that long. Venus is still around but can't sustain life though there is evidnce that it could at one time. This is why saving the earth is a wasted of time, energy and money. Man is what is in danger.

Certainly easier then packing up all of human civilization, and leaving lol. But maybe I'm the crank then not u Pally.

Right! if you really want to cool off the planet we can just blow up the sun. LOL No matter what we do short of blowing up the sun if mankind is to survive we have to pack up and move. There is no other choice.

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"The answer is yes to all three."

Give me a break, by the definition of pi being about 3.14 an increase in radius cannot be the same as in increase in diameter ever duh? And circumference is 3.14 multiplied by the radius squared. So by which measure is the 150 miles or is that straight from your ass as well?

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"If you really believe this then you have not read anything written by scientist on the subject in your life."

Are you not a scientist? I've read your shakespear to Einstein translation in English.

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"Do you think the lava that comes out of the ground is magic?"

No it's magma that has broken through shallow spots in the earths crust, and erupts in the form of lava. Magma that is heated by the friction of a spinning core and denser objects falling towards the center of the earth and lighter ones floating upon the denser ones assuming the denser ones are liquid. Made liquid by the heat of friction.

"Right! if you really want to cool off the planet we can just blow up the sun. LOL No matter what we do short of blowing up the sun if mankind is to survive we have to pack up and move. There is no other choice."

Your opinion. But damn thats funny. "Guns on the moon" would also be funny. LOL

Seriously you don't like the idea of a sunshade launched into orbit that would lower the amount of sunlight reaching earth and thus energy heating up the planet?

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"The answer is yes to all three."

Give me a break, by the definition of pi being about 3.14 an increase in radius cannot be the same as in increase in diameter ever duh? And circumference is 3.14 multiplied by the radius squared. So by which measure is the 150 miles or is that straight from your ass as well?

No, but I think you are pulling your facts from that area. Mathematically speaking, if you increase "any" of the above then ALL are increased. Below is a math lesson that you might do well to read. Here let me help.

Summary: The number is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter. The value of Pi is approximately 3.14159265358979323846...The diameter of a circle is twice the radius. Given the diameter or radius of a circle, we can find the circumference. We can also find the diameter (and radius) of a circle given the circumference. The formulas for diameter and circumference of a circle are listed below. We round to 3.14 in order to simplify our calculations.

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"If you really believe this then you have not read anything written by scientist on the subject in your life."

Are you not a scientist? I've read your Shakespeare to Einstein translation in English.

I also note that you entirely skipped over reply #82. Is that because it shoots your theory in the foot?

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I also note that you entirely skipped over reply #82. Is that because it shoots your theory in the foot?

My friend if you have not noticed let me point out that he has no idea what he writes about. He seems to look things up on line and without understanding what he is reading he parrots what he thinks is a good point and shoots himself in the foot each time.

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I also note that you entirely skipped over reply #82. Is that because it shoots your theory in the foot?

My friend if you have not noticed let me point out that he has no idea what he writes about. He seems to look things up on line and without understanding what he is reading he parrots what he thinks is a good point and shoots himself in the foot each time.

So "basically" he's a moron?

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So "basically" he's a moron?

Not having met him I can't say that. I don't know his age and for all I know he could be 20 years old and beleves the crap he writes. He could be having a good laugh at pulling my chain. I just don't know.

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So "basically" he's a moron?

Not having met him I can't say that. I don't know his age and for all I know he could be 20 years old and beleves the crap he writes. He could be having a good laugh at pulling my chain. I just don't know.

Also note, no courage to reply either.

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Also note, no courage to reply either.

He might be busy.

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busy, and don't really care about you guys lol.

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Or the issue because it's bogus.

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busy, and don't really care about you guys lol.

Yet you found time to stop by and pose questions that any 8th grader should have the answers to. Was there any question you asked that was not answered? If so please let me know so I can smash through the wall of ignorance you have built so well.

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Or the issue because it's bogus.

Or could it be because I've proven you wrong myself "twice" in this article? Not to mention how many Paladin has shot down! If the issue was "bogus" then "why" did you start it?

If you would like I could repost the pertinent sections for you.

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Or better yet....could it be because you're of much of a coward?

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I have given him enough time to reply, I am leaning towards coward.

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