Serenity, that quote you're responding to wasn't mine!

Oops, sorry Trudy!


Oh gotta go now, been too long online and my five year old is still up, believe it or not! I'll follow up with the other responses later!

Hmm...I think a serial killer trait is genetic, and can be pushed on with childhood abuse. Not all abused children become serial killers, and I'm quite ready to assume that not all serial killers were abused. I think it's a combo of nature and nurture...and really hard to predict, but the warning signs help. Mutilation, apathy towards feelings/life, aggressive tendencies, violent acts without emotion, etc.

~Zoo

I read somewhere that ours is the only country that blames the parents when kids, that have had a good upbringing, turnout bad.

Really? I wonder why most people do that though?

It seems from the research that it is in fact not a psychological cop-out. I gather from this research that one is not born into being a serial killer, but rather becoming a serial killer is either learned behaviour, or at least partialy derived from being abused as a child.

Thx for making yourself more clear. I do believe I agree with Mason though because some people will use the knowlege of parental abuse and stuff like that as a cop out for what they do. There are those who do know what they are doing and they are aware of their actions and then they pretend they're sick when they get caught. This goes for anyone who commits a crime. Some of them do it deliberately!

When I was young I ate as much as a whole box of frosted flakes, so in a way that made me a cereal killer.

I guess the same can be said for most of us Elie! Pun well taken!!

Hmm...I think a serial killer trait is genetic, and can be pushed on with childhood abuse. Not all abused children become serial killers, and I'm quite ready to assume that not all serial killers were abused. I think it's a combo of nature and nurture...and really hard to predict, but the warning signs help. Mutilation, apathy towards feelings/life, aggressive tendencies, violent acts without emotion, etc.

Good points Shaun! I agree!

She will no doubt suffer for the mistakes of her mother and will probably be doomed to repeat her fate.

This is terrible John. Terrible that the mom would deny her daughter the help she obviously needs.

(I missed your response earlier - sorry!)

(Citizen)Zoologist03November 17, 2006 01:14:58

Hmm...I think a serial killer trait is genetic

Hey Shaun, I disagree. I've spoken to two psychiatrists and they both told me that it isn't a genetic trait, however having a mental illness does tend to run in families, which is part of being a serial killer.

You're right on target with the signs of "Mutilation, apathy towards feelings/life, aggressive tendencies, violent acts without emotion, etc."
They have no feelings of remorse, guilt, don't feel bad at all when they do something weird.

however having a mental illness does tend to run in families, which is part of being a serial killer.

Which technically is genetic. Just like other hereditary diseases, some are carriers, some display it...but there are other genes that can suppress or activate "serial killer genes"...now this is just with my understanding of genetics. I know there hasn't been any specific genes isolated for serial killers, but I believe in the possiblity. This is more psychological and perhaps abuse "activates" this serial killer gene if it exists...or at least encourages those traits to become dominant.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that some people are prone to developing into a serial killer and others are naturally buffered against this behavior. The reason why I include genetics is because they are what we are...our primal urges, our appearance, all our basic attributes are genetic. Our upbringing helps us develop these traits in different ways and our minds can expand our personality onto new levels. That explains the nurture part, which can encourage negative behavior. At our core, though, we're just the product of two spirally bits of molecules.

Also, I really hate studying genetics, by the way...it is so God awful boring...

~Zoo

Also, I really hate studying genetics, by the way...it is so God awful boring...

Hey now that's cool! and you are right on about the nuturing part as well.

I don't know if there is a genetic trait, other than mental illness running in families, just going on what those two doctors told me.

Yep, genetics is what we are....

I wonder if Dahmer would have killed if he hadn't started drinking? Drinking sure does lower one's inhibitions...could he have done those things without the alcohol abuse? I imagine other killers do.

You wrote a great reply btw! loved it.

I read somewhere that ours is the only country that blames the parents when kids, that have had a good upbringing, turnout bad. Really? I wonder why most people do that though?

I think most people do that because we don't always have an answer for everything, sometimes there just isn't an answer and it bothers us so we have to point a finger at someone.

I'm not sure where I read that about our country being the only one that blames parents regardless of what they did or didn't do.
It's been a few years for sure since I read that.

I think also it's part of our culture, being accountable for our children, and I wonder at what age, what point do we have to still be responsible for an adult child's life and their actions? If we've done all we can, and have a clear conscience that we're not able to do anything else, then are we still responsible for that person?

I can give you a real specific example. The same month I had my first heart attack, my daughter attempted suicide. I had only been home from the hospital, ( in the twin cities) and a doctor from Wi. called me, down at Madison, and wanted me to come and sign papers so he could keep her for at least 3 months ( if I remember correctly the amount of time he wanted) and I had strict orders to not drive, or do anything more than walk around my home. He was incensed that I wouldn't drive down there, he couldn't seem to get it through his head that I had just come home and wasn't allowed to do much.
I really wanted to go down there, and called my cardiologist, and he said no way. So the doctor down at Madison was furious with me.....like I needed that. It was bad enough knowing my daughter was in that awful place ( meaning depression) that she wanted to throw her life away.

Hey now that's cool!

You study genetics for like 2 years total and get back to me.

You wrote a great reply btw! loved it.

Thanks.

I try, and when dealing with sciences I am usually quite thorough, goes with the territory.

~Zoo

try, and when dealing with sciences I am usually quite thorough, goes with the territory

Two thumbs up on that!

Basically what I'm trying to say is that some people are prone to developing into a serial killer and others are naturally buffered against this behavior. The reason why I include genetics is because they are what we are...our primal urges, our appearance, all our basic attributes are genetic. Our upbringing helps us develop these traits in different ways and our minds can expand our personality onto new levels. That explains the nurture part, which can encourage negative behavior. At our core, though, we're just the product of two spirally bits of molecules.

Great information Shaun!

I think most people do that because we don't always have an answer for everything, sometimes there just isn't an answer and it bothers us so we have to point a finger at someone.

Good point Trudy. I think parents just feel helpless when they can't do anything for their children, to help them.

try, and when dealing with sciences I am usually quite thorough, goes with the territoryTwo thumbs up on that!

He's so efficient our Dr. Shaun! (soon to be!)

He's so efficient our Dr. Shaun! (soon to be!)

Doc?...Not yet...not for awhile and that's if I decide to go all the way to a Ph. D...I'm considering it, certainly. However, I'll focus on Bachelor's first...one step at a time. It's just my first year.

~Zoo

However, I'll focus on Bachelor's first...one step at a time. It's just my first year.

As you should Shaun! You're just so thorough on some subjects!

the eagle turned on Saddam and Attacked

Saddam was one of our warriors way back
we crowned him a prince

he fucked up and we fucked up
hell everybody was fucking up
it was war & shit never goes the way anyone really wants

son went all mad dog in the end
when we decided
to use the kurds
to take him down

HE HITLERED UP
for security purposes
went to war

saddam's head was so dangerous
the executioner ripped it right off
the crowds screamed and cried
tried to drive his mighty spirit away from the gallows
rightly so trembling in fear
at the horror of his coming wrath

His spirit surprised everyone & no one
with a wave and a tear
he forgave them their place in history
as great men do

as
great men

expect



sorry old soldier left hungry alone in your fox hole

wish i could have told you

we are praying
for you


to all enemies we sing: our hearts are still open
our minds are still free

we were not effected
by they great they's
enchantment spells

we too are sickened
by
the
rotting diseased cloak of these lies







we are coming for you

i am
a man of my word
the word
your word
our word



YOU ARE FORGIVEN

forgive us


We just didn't make it in time saddam
this stoic crusader was still marching silently
through the carnage
seeking rank on missions top secret
waging war from under deep cover
pretending always to go along



waiting

waiting

waitng

for the order

to come down




you know how that is

I

salute

u



we all salute you

Good grief, I'm just seeing this! Tuttle for God's sake go heal yourself!