I'm sick of this endless war---it's time to talk.

Yes, I think the Democrats may be right, for a change. It’s time we started talking.

Which Democrats have advocated negotiating with the insurgents?

I'm all for this idea!

Davad, let me be the first to request that you pull the stick out of your butt and learn to see the humor in life...

yep kill enough of them and they will get a clue and talk, maybe instead of one billion Muslims we could par it down a bit, around 1,000,000 sounds manageable.

I say send Murtha! He knows geography so well! And Turbin! He knows his history slurs!

After all they won! And now, a week later, they still have not done a diddly damn. Geez, are the going to govern by ignoring?

I agree with some of your points. Iraq failed because the US administrators had no idea of how to manage a province. They really should have done more research with the aid of the British, who've always been good at colonial rule. Killing negotiators though is a waste of time, because no one sent to negotiate would be of any importance to the resistance movements. Better to follow them home (electronically, physically, whatever works) and then find out where their leaders are.

Davad, let me be the first to request that you pull the stick out of your butt and learn to see the humor in life...

Do you often find proposals for mass murder funny? Does the thought of human suffering make you hard? If so, perhaps you need psychiatric assistance.

yep kill enough of them and they will get a clue and talk, maybe instead of one billion Muslims we could par it down a bit, around 1,000,000 sounds manageable.

Yes, the holocaust was so much fun we may as well repeat it.

yep kill enough of them and they will get a clue and talk, maybe instead of one billion Muslims we could par it down a bit, around 1,000,000 sounds manageable. Yes, the holocaust was so much fun we may as well repeat it.

what happened to your sense of the absurd? do you need a funny bone transplant?

what happened to your sense of the absurd? do you need a funny bone transplant?

If I made a joke about the holocaust you would go apeshit. But you seem to feel you can make jokes about inflicting a holocaust on someone else. It's hypocritical, modman.

Anyway, it wasn't funny. Can you honestly say you laughed out loud as you wrote that? I don't know what kind of person would find that line hilarious, and I'm not sure I want to find out.

As for my sense of the absurd... You've never shown yourself to be sympathetic to Muslims, so when you call for their deaths it's easy to think you might actually mean it. After all, you do say it so often and with such vehemence.

The events today in Iraq should convince ANY rational person that Iraq is a disaster and a lost cause. The people of Iraq will have to sort out what becomes of that country. Everyday we risk our troops with NO benefit. The police and the military we have spent 3 years creating are part of the violence and part of an ever increasing sectarian battle that we simply can not resolve. This will be the hallmark of the presidency of GWB-- A disaster of major proportions.

Davad, let me be the first to request that you pull the stick out of your butt and learn to see the humor in life...

I understand that the majority of the post was a lame attempt at humor, but it appeared to me that his first line was serious and led into the alleged "joke".

I don't find this humorous. In fact, I find this sick, and i think you should go get checked out by a shrink RW. Seriously.

Ya know, I was thinking the other day. It's folks like you, and other hardline conservatives/republicans, that push me farther to the left.

It's also the hardline liberals/democrats that keep me from being radical/hardline left.

Go figure, I'm a freaking irony.

Peace, ~Lucas

Go figure, I'm a freaking irony.

No, you're a freaking idiot. RW isn't sick, he's merely proposing a solution which is unethical but which would actually work (given some refinements). Do you really think it helps anyone to go about doing things in a half-arsed fashion? Half-arsed wars that drag on for decades because US forces lack the subtlety for peaceful solutions and moral certainty for brutal ones cause far more lasting damage than his plan ever could (assuming of course RW would let them surrender before dropping more than one or two nukes).

The civilian deathtoll in Iraq has been posited everywhere from 50k or so to half a million. Had the US gone in and killed that many on the very first day and then slave-camped the rest there would be no resistance movement. Instead the war drags on with no end in sight. It's vacillating folks like you that cause the most damage as you prevent your state in the bloodthirsty manner it's made for. The US can't do peace, so by forcing it to moderate its bloodlust you make it terrible at war as well. That's hardly a good thing for you or anyone else.

Seems like a good plan to me.

I actually like the idea.

Of course that may be the half Italian part of me talking.

~Zoo

It's vacillating folks like you that cause the most damage as you prevent your state in the bloodthirsty manner it's made for

It's folks like me? It's folks like me, who prefer peace of war, life over death, who don't care for bloodshed.

It's folks like me that fight for your rights on the homefront. We stand up to those who would dare take away your liberties.

If that makes me wrong in your eyes, then so be it.

I'm fucking proud of who I am, and I don't plan on changing it.

So piss off.

there would be no resistance movement.

Oh bullshit, there would still be.

You do realize that we'd be looked at as horrible people even more, that we'd be no better than we were in WW2.

Oh, then why not intern all muslims here in the US? Why not, they're all the same right?

(Citizen)cactoblastaNovember 14, 2006 20:32:39

Did you realize i was referring to:

Yes, I think the Democrats may be right, for a change. It’s time we started talking. Negotiations do indeed seem the only way to resolve the current situation with the Islamic Fundamentalists and terrorists. Pull out of Iraq, bring the troops home. Allow the area to settle a bit. Let the Islamists do as they will, and just live and let live. You know, I really think we should invite their leaders to the table, just to talk. Embrace them; find out what motivates them, what makes them hate us so much. We need to try and understand what makes them tick. Then, when we’ve at last come to a better understanding of them, and them of us, the representatives in the American delegation should stand up, take out machine guns and mow them down like zombies in a George Romero flick. Shoot them like Michael Corleone shot Virgil Sollozzo and Captain McCluskey; like Han Solo shot Greedo. Right across the table of peace (although Greedo DID have the drop on Han). After that, we take our new understanding of them and use it to kill them in droves, to butcher them by the bushel. Then, we drop a few tactical nukes on their strongholds. After all, they do respect strength and force. Once we’ve done all that, we invite them back for a talk. Maybe then things will work out better. I’m all for this plan. Show of hands?

So, you can pull back, and re think your comment, perhaps?

Cause, you made yourself look silly.

I would no more tolerate the genocide of any race than I would tolerate another holocaust on the JEWS.
How can you think I would condone the murder of nine hundred thousand people?

I talk a mean talk, but could not, would not harm anyone unless it came down to me and you {the generic you}.
As for me being sympathetic to Muslims, how could I/ all they want to do is eradicate Jews.

I am disappointed in you cacto, you have become a parody of what was once someone I respected even if we do disagree most times.

The big difference to me is, there was a real holocaust, my supposing to kill 900,000 people while sounding weird is just that IMAGINARY. The Muslims sound more like Nazis everyday and they are not just running their mouths like I did, they are for real.

As for me being sympathetic to Muslims, how could I/ all they want to do is eradicate Jews.

Not ALL do want that. Right?

How can you think I would condone the murder of nine hundred thousand people?

But yet you indirectly condone the death of muslims by sympathizing with this post.

Please tell me, how is that different? How is it justifiable?

Frankly MM, I don't wish death to anyone. Not even the terrorists themselves.

I would not seek revenge or their death if they killed one of my family members, you know why? Because i would pity them, for going down the path of murder.

I would forgive them, mourn the loss, and move on - trying as hard as i can to spread peace, and not war.

You do realize that we'd be looked at as horrible people even more, that we'd be no better than we were in WW2.

---Silent Poet

OH MY GOD! I was just going to let this thread go on without saying anything, since there really wasn't any point in further commenting on a joke. But man, this was just too much.

Silent Poet, are you so terribly indoctrinated and by the leftist views of your teachers, have your eyes been so gouged out by your weenie ideas, that you honestly can't see that the US saved the fucking world in WW2? It's people like you who will ultimately destroy this country, Lucas. Who refuse to see that we are a noble and good nation which has, time and again, willingly, even cheerfully shed our blood and spent our treasure for the benefit of others.

Where the hell do I begin? I don't really have the time right now. Forget it; if you can say this, you're lost. I give up on you.

I'll just say that, thanks to the US and our terrible willingness to kill those who would conquer and destroy us, and to protect ourselves and in the name of our continued freedoms, you, and perhaps a billion more over the last 60+ years, have the freedom to say things like you just did, and the right not to speak German (or Japanese) if you so desire.
You'd be stiff-arm saluting a swastika flag waving over an undoubtedly heroic statue of Our Brave and Wise Fuher, Adolf Hitler (who, by the way, actually DID not really care how many people he killed) or bowing to the Emporer.

War is never, ever, a pleasant or good thing, but it is often a necessary thing. We used to realize that and to be able to act on it.
Only willfully blind ideologues like you can think that peace is always and ever the only solution, even when an advancing army is massed against you with guns cocked, locked and aimed in your direction. I know you're young, but that's no excuse for being purposely obtuse.

Thank you, Lucas, for shitting, spitting and pissing on the efforts and sacrifices of ALL THREE of my great-uncles, and of millions more; someone in your family line, too, I have no doubt.

'Nuff said on this.

Thank you all for posting.

War is never, ever, a pleasant or good thing, but it is often a necessary thing.

That's where we part, I don't think it is often a necessary thing. I'd much rather solve things through diplomacy, etc...anything but the shed of blood.

Most of it comes from the fact that I became very much a pacifist after dealing a certain family figure for many years.

I don't like conflict, war, death, any of it.

It's people like you who will ultimately destroy this country, Lucas.

Funny, i've often thought it was people like me who have stood up against those who would try to take our freedom away.

that you honestly can't see that the US saved the fucking world in WW2?

I do see that. What I don't see as being justified, is interning nearly all, if not all of the germans and japanese in the US.

Can you honestly justify that, in any way?

Who refuse to see that we are a noble and good nation which has, time and again, willingly, even cheerfully shed our blood and spent our treasure for the benefit of others.

Have I ever said we weren't? No, no I have not.

You do realize that we'd be looked at as horrible people even more, that we'd be no better than we were in WW2. Oh, then why not intern all muslims here in the US? Why not, they're all the same right?

If you had read the rest, you would have realized that I was talking about the internment camps.

Ya know, I was thinking the other day. It's folks like you, and other hardline conservatives/republicans, that push me farther to the left.

Well, you have the liberal line down pat. Never take responsibility for your own actions, blame it on someone else.

Well, you have the liberal line down pat. Never take responsibility for your own actions, blame it on someone else.

Let me rephrase that, so you understand, and possibly - not make yourself look like an asshole.

I admit, that it is my responsibility on what way i go, however...I am pushed, via reading such BS, and bashing, and total asshole-ness...which, causes me to go "ya know, if there are so many people like this, who are conservative, then i'd rather not be associated with them."

Ya see? It's simple.

Well, you have the liberal line down pat. Never take responsibility for your own actions, blame it on someone else.

No, that's just the line of faux liberals like Lucas here. He only says he's liberal because it's the "cool" thing to do. Some day he'll grow up and come to some sense of his own being, and his own political ideals, but as of right now, he's just parroting what he hears.

Some of us liberals actually know what the hell we're talking about and take responsibility for ourselves. Lucas, however, does not.

That's where we part, I don't think it is often a necessary thing. I'd much rather solve things through diplomacy, etc...anything but the shed of blood.

That's Righwingers point, "diplomacy" has killed far more people than any war.

Let me rephrase that, so you understand, and possibly - not make yourself look like an asshole.

I am not the asshole here lucas. YOu stated it, I quoted it. You dont have to equivocate. Perhaps you just need to stop blaming others for your faults and take the responsibility on yourself.

Some of us liberals actually know what the hell we're talking about and take responsibility for ourselves. Lucas, however, does not.

And you are the ones that the conservatives need to worry about. You guys make sense. (just not about all things)

No, that's just the line of faux liberals like Lucas here. He only says he's liberal because it's the "cool" thing to do. Some day he'll grow up and come to some sense of his own being, and his own political ideals, but as of right now, he's just parroting what he hears.

Actually, I am liberal. All on my own.

Some of us liberals actually know what the hell we're talking about and take responsibility for ourselves. Lucas, however, does not.

to you.

That's Righwingers point, "diplomacy" has killed far more people than any war.

How so?

I am not the asshole here lucas. YOu stated it, I quoted it. You dont have to equivocate. Perhaps you just need to stop blaming others for your faults and take the responsibility on yourself.

I didn't intend to portray that I was blaming others, I just worded it wrong.



Ya know, I'm done. Obviously folks are not getting what i mean, and i apologize for that - i should've been clearer.

Adios