Was He Too Stupid To Get The Joke?

maybe it's just politics, maybe it's not...

Now, maybe I have seen it all in politics. Next Tuesday may prove that statement wrong, but for now, I think I have.

Two days ago, Senator John Kerry was stumping for the already defeated California democratic gubenatorial candidate. Kerry went into a bunch of one-liners about President Bush. As usual, John Kerry is no Henny Youngman or even Carrot Top. In his monologue, he made a reference to people who don't pay attention and study in school "get stuck in Iraq."

This obscure line would have drifted into the political graveyard except for one thing. The butt of the joke, the one being called "stupid", didn't get it. The one being called stupid was the President.

Now, I'm not calling the President stupid here, but Kerry's line was seemingly validated when President Bush missed the point just like they've missed so many points over the last 6 years.

Bush took the line as an insult to the troops, as if we still have a draft. As if kids who flunk out of school have to go into the military.

Someone needs to remind the President that no draft exists, and failed students more often than not go to work, not the military.

But the lack of realization didn't stop the Campaigner in Chief and his punditry from going on the attack. They boldly went into the land of feet looking for mouths to inhabit , charging that Kerry owed the troops an apology.

No he doesn't. Mr President, you and your pundits owe Mr Kerry an apology for once again being so eager to trash him, that the facts are discarded.

But unlike the lying Swift Boat attacks, this time, Mr Kerry was not gonna take it or wait for a never coming overdue apology. In a response to the White House's delusional charges, Mr Kerry said this...

"I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy."

Kerry said the comment in question was "a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops ... and they know that's what I was talking about."


And he didn't stop there...

That, Kerry said, was meant as a reference to Bush, not troops. Kerry said it is the president who owes U.S. soldiers an apology — for "a Katrina foreign policy" that misled the country into war in Iraq, failed to adequately study and plan for the aftermath, has not properly equipped troops and has expanded the terrorist threat.

"I'm sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won't take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes," he said. "It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks who've never worn the uniform of our country are willing to lie about those who did."


It's about time that John Kerry got his spine back. Maybe George Bush needs to get Karl Rove in his office so he can have his brain back. That is, if Mr Kerry was correct.

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Reply #1 Top
He's lying, and its pretty obvious. Kerry was returning to the same, sad song the Dems chant during a time of war; that the poor and uneducated are used as cannon fodder. The problem is, they have to insult the current troops to do it.

So, it isn't just the President. Kerry is filth, and even his own party is edging away from him on this one. It's sweet how folks like you are coming to bat for him, but if you think at this point you can convince anyone that you are a moderate Republican you're nuts; you're being more 'dem' than most dems on this one.
Reply #3 Top
Odd then that so many on both sides of the aisle don't see it. Is McCain too stupid to get it? Is Harold Ford? Are the Dems who've canceled his speaking engagements?

Maybe you are forgetting that this argument is really made all the time. Maybe you are forgetting that this election hinges on rural America. This isn't the first time a Dem has claimed that the rich send the poor and uneducated to fight for them. Charlie "draft the rich" Rangel makes it all the time.

Kerry just made the same argument in the hopes of appealing to the poor rural folk who are losing their kids in disproportionate numbers, but he just did it in an ineloquent, spiteful way. He can't hide it by calling it a joke now. We've heard this "joke" too many times before.
Reply #4 Top
Baker:

Did you read the transcript? Have you seen the videos?

After doing so, can you really tell me that you don't think that the "joke" was about the President, and not the troops?
Reply #5 Top
Yes, I have seen the video, and no, I don't think it was about the President. It was just more fearmongering like in the 2004 election when Dems wouldn't shut up about a draft. This time, though, he stuck his neck out an inch too far.

I don't think for a moment he believed he was insulting the troops. He thought he was being a champion of the poor and ignorant like Dems always present themselves. Their party is the poster child of offering "charity" in the form of insult and then pretending surprise when offense is taken.

No, this is what they do to rural people, and this is what they do to poor urban people. They present themselves as champions of people 'who can't help themselves', never realizing the built-in insult.
Reply #6 Top
He can't hide it by calling it a joke now.

he's not hiding anything...read the speech, it was in a series of jokes about the president.

Is McCain too stupid to get it?

i like mccain, and anyone who reads me knows that. but after him swearing that no waterboarding is going on under the new war commissions act, then cheney coming out and openly admitting it, i am starting to wonder bout him and his intellectual capacity. i do think mccain is a very good man. but here he is wrong and if he isn't as gullible as he appears again here, i bet he will admit that long before the white house ever does. not till after the election, but eventually.

as far as ford goes..i haven't seen anything by him so i can't comment i did google some things and looked on his site as well as msnbc's site...and found nothing.

and no one cancelled any speaking engagements except kerry himself...and that was a political move, like everything else this week.
Reply #7 Top
Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree then, because I can't see how the footage could be interpreted as anything put a poorly articulate jab at the President.

C'est la vie, right?
Reply #8 Top
C'est la vie, right?


probably not, baker will try to scream his lie over and over until someone believes him, or till next tuesday.
Reply #10 Top
The only "joke" was horseface Hanoijohn. I get that joke.
Reply #12 Top
probably not, baker will try to scream his lie over and over until someone believes him, or till next tuesday.


It is not a lie. You can call it a disagreement, but that is what it is at best. At worst, he is right and you are wrong. But just because there is a disagreement between people, it does not automatically follow that one is lying.
Reply #13 Top
He's lying, and its pretty obvious

no he isn't, and that's pretty obvious.


What you're missing here is it's "not" just us that feel that way about Kerry! A big "bunch" of people on "both" sides of the fence (democrats & republicans) feel exactly the same way as bakerstreet. So you are intitled to your opinion. But "you" can't prove baker is lying. And BTW.....this wouldn't be the first time Kerry has stuck his foot in his own mouth, and more than likely won't be the last time either!
Reply #14 Top
guy,,,i didn't call baker a liar 1st, he came here and did that. if ya wanna criticize that, go after the one who started it.

i believe john kerry. based on the evidence of the actual speech and the fact that bush's intellect has been fodder for years. you can be upset with kerry callin the president stupid, but calling kerry a liar is just wrong.
Reply #15 Top
Conners....how many times will you vote democrat next week?

The funny thing here, is since when did Kerry become the Champion for the Soldiers? It seems like every other time the man opens his mouth, he insults the soldiers, or insults something that many of them believe in.

You are so liberal, and there isn't an ounce of independant party in you, that if being a liberal democrat was being shiny, you would be blinding.
Reply #16 Top
it's "not" just us that feel that way about Kerry!


i could care less how you feel about kerry. and the fact that ya'll hate kerry and make it so obvious kind of takes away any credibility in going after him.

if ya wanna go after him for calling bush stupid, be my guest. but the spin into changing what he said is nonsense.
Reply #17 Top
You are so liberal, and there isn't an ounce of independant party in you, that if being a liberal democrat was being shiny, you would be blinding.


ok,,,now attack the messenger.

dolt, i'm a libertarian. i have the card to prove it.

It seems like every other time the man opens his mouth, he insults the soldiers,



no he doesn't. show me other insulting quotes he has made. and don't go back to vietnam. you said "every other time" so the quotes should be recent.
Reply #18 Top

guy,,,i didn't call baker a liar 1st, he came here and did that. if ya wanna criticize that, go after the one who started it.


I'm sorry but you sure did call bakerstreet a liar first:

probably not, baker will try to scream his lie over and over until someone believes him, or till next tuesday.


Bakerstreet did nothing of the sort to you personally! He said "Kerry" was the liar, not you!


He's lying, and its pretty obvious. Kerry was returning to the same, sad song the Dems chant during a time of war;


Notice he said "he's" lying, NOT you're lying!
Reply #19 Top
Notice he said "he's" lying, NOT you're lying!


and i took that as him calling me a liar.

by your logic, if bush can interpret kerry's words any way he feels, so should i. i took the comment as meaning i was lying.

and based on your arguements about kerry, you are supposed to accept my interpretation.
Reply #20 Top
Hanoijohn.


or maybe they'll just resort to insults


that is a title Hanoijohn earned when he called me a rapist, a baby killer, someone that tortures and beheads people.
Reply #21 Top
that is a title Hanoijohn earned when he called me a rapist, a baby killer, someone that tortures and beheads people


and how does that qualify you to objectively evaluate anything he says?
Reply #22 Top
"dolt, i'm a libertarian. i have the card to prove it. "


lol, yeah, the col kept up the argument that he is a moderate republican for a long time too. Eventually it'll just become so ludicrous not even you will be able to swallow it.

Anyway, you guys won't address the fact that this supposed "joke" is the same argument we've heard from the Dems over and over. Every election they start trying to provoke fear in anyone under 25, saying that you're in danger of being drafted or that you'll be starved into joining the military. They did it in 2004, they're doing it now, and they'll keep right on doing it because it works on paranoid people.

"probably not, baker will try to scream his lie over and over until someone believes him, or till next tuesday."


If I called you a liar before you said that about me, I don't see it up there. Regardless, you'll not need to worry about me 'lying' on your blogs anymore. I've reached the point with you that I reached with the Col. I've no wish to aid you by bumping your junk, and I'm not interested in offering you the opportunity to spread it onto mine.
Reply #24 Top
lol, yeah, the col kept up the argument that he is a moderate republican for a long time too. Eventually it'll just become so ludicrous not even you will be able to swallow it.

that's not calling me a liar, again?
Reply #25 Top
All politicians are liars.

Case closed


Now there is something I certainly can't disagree with.