Why can't you just admit Kerry is a joke

this isn't about john kerry. this is about his comments being distorted and lied about.

I had no problem trashing Foley.

did anyone defend him?

(Citizen)Sean Connery

is changing my name to james bond an effective insult?

have the same qualification to disseminate as you do.. it's called freedom of expression.

express all ya want. i challenged credibility on this subject, not your ability to exercize your 1st ammendment rights.

This obscure line would have drifted into the political graveyard except for one thing. The butt of the joke, the one being called "stupid", didn't get it. The one being called stupid was the President.

This unobscure line's lasting power has nothing to do with the President "not getting it."

1. The way it came out of Kerry's mouth makes it hard to say it was a joke about the President at all, on its own merit (regardless of what his prepared transcript would have had him say).

2. If a political opponent of yours commits a faux paus on such scale, you don't let it slide. You beat it to death.


What Kerry said is easily construed as an insult to soldiers in Iraq, regardless of his intent, or what he intended to say. Of course his political opponents are going to milk it for all its worth.

It is not that the President did not "get it." It is that Kerry fouled up, made a fool of himself, and made the situation worse by refusing to apologize. If he would have come out with, "I misspoke, and I apologize sincerely for the message that seemed to come across. Here is what I meant..."

The Republican political machine would be "stupid" not to leap on the opportunity to turn as much opinion against Kerry as possible.

like I said twist, turn, run,

where the hell have i changed my stance on anything or have run away? as you can see, my position is consistant, and i am right here.

Ah, in other words, shame on them for being politicians. Right?

good one blue...a good line for those of us who get all wrapped up in it too

All politicians are liars. Case closed.

I'm generally underqualified to post on many politcal issues, but I can honestly say you are 100% correct on this one LW.

LOL, I can't help but laugh at all the silly defenses Sean put up for every reply someone gave him. Gotta hand it to you, at least you're much better at it than Col gene is. Sometimes I think both of you (Sean and Col for those who need explanations) have lots of things in common, you're refusal to admit defeat when proof to the contrary is provided, your passion for your belief and even your ability to use the cut/paste feature. Hell you both even deny something you wrote just a few post before:

guy,,,i didn't call baker a liar 1st,

But you did:

probably not, baker will try to scream his lie[/B] over and over

But wait, it gets better:

and i took that as him calling me a liar.

Here you claim that you understood it was you who he called a liar when in fact you understood very well what he meant when you posted this:

no he isn't, and that's pretty obvious.

He as in Kerry, not I, he. And you are mad cause you felt he called you a liar?

that's not calling me a liar, again?

It would have had to happen before in order for it to be again, I checked closely and I see nowhere where he called you a liar directly except after you called him a liar first, which you denied afterwards.

It seems that you put yourself in the middle of a backwards defense. You lie claiming to be called a liar, you lie claiming never to have called him a liar, then you lie when you say he called you a liar again. It seems that you did a better job killing your defense than any lawyer could have, this being a court case of course (in case you decide to use one of your famous "what does this have to do" lines).

The only thing that's more of a joke on this article than Kerry is you Sean, and here's why:

Now, I'm not calling the President stupid here, but Kerry's line was seemingly validated when President Bush missed the point just like they've missed so many points over the last 6 years.

Ah, you seem to be lying, [B]again. I'm not calling him stupid but he is stupid?

and:

(continue on the next reply)

Afterall, they all lie, they all twist, and I don't think there is a single one of them who even knows what the word shame means anymore.

Ah, you cynical old cuss. Surely someone, like our beloved ORRIN, still has his "values" in place, right?


GO PETE ASHDOWN! DOWN WITH "BORIN'" ORRIN HATCH!

dolt, i'm a libertarian. i have the card to prove it.

You're the first Libertarian I've ever seen that advocates for more government programs, Sean. As an LP candidate, I got blasted pretty badly by my own for making a proposal for a publicly accessible transit system in our rural area as part of my platform until I made it very clear the program I envision would be privately funded.

LOL, I can't help but laugh at all the silly defenses Sean put up for every reply someone gave him. Gotta hand it to you, at least you're much better at it than Col gene is. Sometimes I think both of you (Sean and Col for those who need explanations) have lots of things in common, you're refusal to admit defeat when proof to the contrary is provided, your passion for your belief and even your ability to use the cut/paste feature. Hell you both even deny something you wrote just a few post before:

guy,,,i didn't call baker a liar 1st,

But you did:

probably not, baker will try to scream his lie[/B] over and over

But wait, it gets better:

and i took that as him calling me a liar.

Here you claim that you understood it was you who he called a liar when in fact you understood very well what he meant when you posted this:

no he isn't, and that's pretty obvious.

He as in Kerry, not I, he. And you are mad cause you felt he called you a liar?

that's not calling me a liar, again?

It would have had to happen before in order for it to be again, I checked closely and I see nowhere where he called you a liar directly except after you called him a liar first, which you denied afterwards.

It seems that you put yourself in the middle of a backwards defense. You lie claiming to be called a liar, you lie claiming never to have called him a liar, then you lie when you say he called you a liar again. It seems that you did a better job killing your defense than any lawyer could have, this being a court case of course (in case you decide to use one of your famous "what does this have to do" lines).

The only thing that's more of a joke on this article than Kerry is you Sean, and here's why:

Now, I'm not calling the President stupid here, but Kerry's line was seemingly validated when President Bush missed the point just like they've missed so many points over the last 6 years.

Ah, you seem to be lying, [B]again. I'm not calling him stupid but he is stupid?

and:

you can be upset with kerry callin the president stupid, but calling kerry a liar is just wrong.

And you can be upset with others calling Kerry a liar. Why are you unfair? Why is it OK for Kerry to call our President stupid, but it's not OK to call him a liar? Man, just throw freedom of speech out the window won't ya. Here's something so that you can't say Kerry does not lie:

"I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy."

His own words on your own article, right? OK, now, this is what Kerry had to say today:

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended," he said in a written statement.

If this is not lying, I don't know what is. To say he will apologize to no one, then give an apology today? And you (Sean) had the balls to say:

It's about time that John Kerry got his spine back.

But wait, it only gets better:

i disagree,,,they are showing how shameless they are in exploiting something that they twisted themselves and have tossed all facts out the window for potential political gain.

LOL, this was the funniest thing you said thru out the entire article. Americans must really be stupid to vote for the shameless, lying, stupid, word twisting Republicans when we have the honest Democrats who would never use such tactics to win elections cause they want to be voted for for what they can do, not for how stupid others are. They would never use this against the Republicans. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. If what you say is true, then Col gene really is a Republican. LOL LOL LOL.

Back Bone Kerry, the one who would apologize to no one but did anyways, has once again managed to follow the simple 3 steps open mouth, lift leg, insert foot in mouth exercise he is so famous for. At least we have an idea what things would have been like had Kerry won the elections in 2004.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

da mark of da moron.

and hillary was wrong

And that is "your" opinion. If this line was "supposed" to be a joke, then how about letting the rest of us in on it?

BTW it isn't just Hillary saying that:

Pressured by Republicans and some Democrats to apologize, Kerry abandoned the defiant stance he took on Tuesday, when he accused Republicans of twisting his words. He told radio host Don Imus he was "sorry about a botched joke" and called what he said "stupid."

da mark of da moron.

Hey kingflee, your ignorance is showing.

just a couple of notes...charles, i already apologized to baker for misinterpreting his words,,,your attack is irrelevant.

Like drmiller said, your opinion. I see why you defend Kerry like you do, you open your mouth and insert your foot then you deem any attacks irrelevant. Be a man and except you screwed up just like your buddy Back Bone Kerry did and take the responses like a man as oppose to ignoring them.

Anyways who cares, I actually ask myself why I or anyone else bothers with people like you; like Kerry, you guys do a great job shooting yourselves in the foot, again and again. Are you a Col as well?