What is wrong with Liberals?

from JoeUser Forums
Hi there, I am a Canadian (I am sure some of you already guessed), but which is a lot worse (from a conservative viewpoint), I am a Quebecois (if you don't understand why it's worse, get Canada&Quebec 101)

Over here (Quebec), we have 2 major political parties. The PLQ (Liberal Party of Quebec) and PQ (Parti Quebecois). the PQ is on the right of the PQ, wich shows you exactly how much to the left we are as a society.

We have public hospitals, public schools (but also private school, financially helped by the governement). We have a lot of public-anything. Our union-rate is also the highest in America.

Overall, it's true that we are the most taxes people in NA. And the country is also the poorer (but it's most because we didn'T control any capital before the 60s. Search "Quiet Revolution" in Wikipedia). However, we don't have any deficit since 1998 (somewhat).

What is my point? Just to know, why are many americans anti-Liberals? Why is it so wrong to sometimes rise taxes to procure a service to the population, poors and riches, equally? Why would it be wrong to actually properly finance public schools America-wide? I mean, it's not everybody who can afford a private schools. Why should a poor boy not have the same chance than a rich one? America is about "Everybody has a chance", right?

Why is it wrong to offer some free healthcare? (In Quebec, I am arguing: "why is it wrong for the rich to pay for some quicker healthcare?", but I am in the wrong forum, hehe..). It maybe is sometimes innefficient, I agree, but isn't it the right thing to do?

I have seen, recently, a coverage about Mississipi's turning abortion illegal. However, no social program has been created to help the POOR family to rise their child in an appropriate way. Often, a woman wants to have an abortion 'cause she just can't have a children. He's going to be hungry for all his childhood, and she doesn't want to force him trough this. While I am pro-choice, I respect Mississipi's sovreignty over their choice. However, I am abashed that nothing has been done to help those poor single mothers who are now FORCED to have a child they just can't afford.

I do not say "screw the conservatism, rise the taxes 40%, and created billion-dollard social program", but I am simply asking: why is it seen as inheritly evil to rise taxes to fund social programs?

EDIT: Gosh, why did it go to Personal Computing??
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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top
It's probably way to broad a generalization......but I believe it's because as a whole Americans feel self reliant and/or independent and dont' want Government to "DO" for us what we should be doing for ourselves.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)LantecOctober 17, 2006 17:46:47


It's probably way to broad a generalization......but I believe it's because as a whole Americans feel self reliant and/or independent and dont' want Government to "DO" for us what we should be doing for ourselves.


someone needs a "leg up" I mam all for it, help them get educated, whatever... but that is NOT HOW IT IS in America, there are 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation "welfare FAMILIES" 3 years "help" then you are on your own.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Welcome to JU.

We need more liberals.

I think the less government does FOR us, the better off we will be.

So I guess that makes me a conservative? Not really...in some ways I lean liberal, and some conservative.

Anyway, welcome.
Reply #4 from WinCustomize Forums Top
there are 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation "welfare FAMILIES"


True, but I don't believe those are the anti-liberals Cikomyr was referring to.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)LantecOctober 17, 2006 18:20:41


there are 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation "welfare FAMILIES"


True, but I don't believe those are the anti-liberals Cikomyr was referring to.


he is from canada where liberal has a different meaning.

It was LBJ and the great society that made welfare what it is today.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
he is from canada where liberal has a different meaning.


Why do you keep saying that, damnit? 3 post-in-a-row! Where does Liberal and Conservative is different?

Edit: sorry, I saw that your post was BEFORE you agreed that Liberal and Conservative are the same in our countries. So, everybody, just don't pay attention to "Liberal are different in Canada"
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
What is wrong with Liberals? Nothing that a good colonic will not fix.

Just Kidding! As for here in the lower 48, our liberals tend to be very condescending and arrogant. They refuse to even acknowledge they may be wrong, and only acknowledge that you are stupid for not agreeing with them. They offer no rational arguements for their position and expect you to take it on their say so.

So the rest of us get rather annoyed with their arrogance and condescending attitude. Note, not all liberals are like that. But many, including the leadership are.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just Kidding! As for here in the lower 48, our liberals tend to be very condescending and arrogant. They refuse to even acknowledge they may be wrong, and only acknowledge that you are stupid for not agreeing with them. They offer no rational arguements for their position and expect you to take it on their say so.

So the rest of us get rather annoyed with their arrogance and condescending attitude. Note, not all liberals are like that. But many, including the leadership are.


On this side of the border, we get all your news too. And seems to us that it's your conservative who are condescending and arrogant. They also refuse to acknowledge that they may be wrong (and I am more certain than ever about that point after reading some people's comments about liberals)

Seems to me the sins are both sides
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Some things I would love to have social programs for, such as healthcare. I see it as an even bigger need for the populace than police and fire protection. I do not like programs that try to help lower income families by giving them money though. That takes away some of the "need" insentive to work harder and get a better job to survive. I am pretty poor, and have had supported 5 people in my house until recently, but when the state gave us support for groceries, it gave me less incentive to find a second job, or for Melisa to go back to school or to get a job herself. I would love for our state, or even nation to have a social health care program, and a social higher education program, because both of those things would make us stronger as a nation. However, a social welfare program that helps those with little education or skills to survive in our society by giving them food or shelter or just plain cash makes us weaker as a nation - because it removes the incentive to work harder for what you need, since it will be given to you anyway. At least healthcare and Education will make you a more valuable person in society, and will help us compete with the rest of the world. Most other welfare programs don't seem to have those benefits.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
On this side of the border, we get all your news too. And seems to us that it's your conservative who are condescending and arrogant. They also refuse to acknowledge that they may be wrong (and I am more certain than ever about that point after reading some people's comments about liberals)


I wholeheartedly concur with that statement! That is why I will never admit to being conservative, because conservatives are known to be condesending @$$holes who refuse to listen to any logical argument that doesn't support their views. (Although I am pretty conservative in my beliefs, but I can't stand the people that claim to be conservative.)
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
On this side of the border, we get all your news too. And seems to us that it's your conservative who are condescending and arrogant. They also refuse to acknowledge that they may be wrong (and I am more certain than ever about that point after reading some people's comments about liberals)

Seems to me the sins are both sides


Stick around JU. You will see what I mean soon enough.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Stick around JU. You will see what I mean soon enough.


I have for about 3 weeks..

I stand on my position. Conservative as just as arrogant as Liberals. More, since they use the War on Terror as an excuse.

On the other side, Liberals are more whiny since Bush is elected.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
I stand on my position.


Good! I did not ask you to change. But to observe. Conservatives back up arguements with facts, and let you decide. Liberals beat you over the head with their opinions and expect you to see the wisdom of their ideas, with no supporting facts.

So I would not want you to take my word for it.