As YOU age, which is MORE likely?

Liberal to Conservative.  Winston Churchill is credited with saying it (but many actually have, and he was not the first) "If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart.  If you are not a conservative at 30, you have no brains".

(Citizen)Dr. GuyOctober 17, 2006 11:41:20

Liberal to Conservative. Winston Churchill is credited with saying it (but many actually have, and he was not the first) "If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 30, you have no brains".

gee I wonder if sean conners {if that is his real name} will see this answer as a personal attack. heh heh

To me it seems a natural progression to go from being a Liberal to becoming a Conservative.  Just my 2 cents worth.

i am familiar with the churchhill quote,,,and yes, it is my real name...i don't see why you doubt that so much...

but apparantly you take that quote to heart.

i was a republican at 20 and a libertarian at 30...really didn't have a lot to do with the tight lil "left vs right" frame you try to rope everyone into. i just got sick of both parties.

it might surprise you, but i was a lot more liberal in the 80's as a republican...my abortion view was more liberal, science has evolved that viewpoint. and on several other issues, my views have gotten more conservative over the years..

you just don't see that because of my stance against the invasion of iraq since before the invasion. or maybe it's because i see what this administration has done to the GOP...i saw the neocons and religious zealots take over in 94...in 95 i became a libertarian...no view shifts or leaning more left or right was necessary.

like reagan said,,,"i didn't leave my party, my party left me."

Sean Connery, a.k.a. SConn1October 17, 2006 13:25:17Reply

am familiar with the churchill quote,,,and yes, it is my real name...i don't see why you doubt that so much... but apparently you take that quote to heart. i was a republican at 20 and a libertarian at 30...really didn't have a lot to do with the tight Lil "left vs right" frame you try to rope everyone into. i just got sick of both parties. it might surprise you, but i was a lot more liberal in the 80's as a republican...my abortion view was more liberal, science has evolved that viewpoint. and on several other issues, my views have gotten more conservative over the years.. you just don't see that because of my stance against the invasion of Iraq since before the invasion. or maybe it's because i see what this administration has done to the GOP...i saw the neocons and religious zealots take over in 94...in 95 i became a libertarian...no view shifts or leaning more left or right was necessary. like Reagan said,,,"i didn't leave my party, my party left me."

A clear and concise explanation,, bravo.. not one cuss word.

(Citizen)TrudygolightlyOctober 17, 2006 12:51:29

To me it seems a natural progression to go from being a Liberal to becoming a Conservative. Just my 2 cents worth.

THat's how it went for me.

Liberal to Centrist (so far). and only 20..

Since I study in finance and economy, I understand a little more the Conservative's viewpoint (which is why I think those course should be mandatory in High School), but the liberals do have serious concerns about "Superfree Conservatives".

However, more than often, liberals adopt demagogy. And Conservatives do too.

In the past years, however, I have seen more demagogy in the conservative camp

I've been a conservative all my life -- more of a Goldwater conservative than neo-conservative, though.

Reply By: CikomyrPosted: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 Liberal to Centrist (so far). and only 20..

 

you are not american so "liberal" does not have the same meaning. I hope I remember you are from canada.

Reply By: Mike's Daily LogPosted: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 I've been a conservative all my life -- more of a Goldwater conservative than neo-conservative, though.

 

I was a leftist loon in the 60's and 70's more middle ground till 2003 when My party {the democrats} offered crap for President. Switched over in 2003 and have been getting more and more conservative daily as I see the left betraying the country I love so much.

As I age I just try to remember to change my shorts.

you are not american so "liberal" does not have the same meaning. I hope I remember you are from canada.

I don't really see the difference. The principles of "Liberal" (economicly) is in more in favor of interventionism in the markets, more social programs and taxes to pay for the latter.

While "Conservative" is in favor of a small state, less laws legislating the markets. A small state means less social programs, more rooms for the private business and less taxes.

"Liberal" in term of morality is more toward acceptation of the new, of the different. Like gays, abortion, immigrants & co.

"Conservative" in toward preserving the old values, like the classic family cell, religion, etc...

did I got it wrong?

We have (canada-wide), a "Liberal" party and a "Conservative" party, that's how they are named. (nicknamed "Tories" for the Conservatives).

Reply By: CikomyrPosted: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 you are not american so "liberal" does not have the same meaning. I hope I remember you are from canada. I don't really see the difference. The principles of "Liberal" (economicly) is in more in favor of interventionism in the markets, more social programs and taxes to pay for the latter. While "Conservative" is in favor of a small state, less laws legislating the markets. A small state means less social programs, more rooms for the private business and less taxes. "Liberal" in term of morality is more toward acceptation of the new, of the different. Like gays, abortion, immigrants & co. "Conservative" in toward preserving the old values, like the classic family cell, religion, etc... did I got it wrong? We have (canada-wide), a "Liberal" party and a "Conservative" party, that's how they are named. (nicknamed "Tories" for

nope you nailed it.

 

I am for small term entitlements not lifetime. here in the states that is how it turned out, tax the hard working people to feed the slugs and ner do wells.

Next time, don't beleive that you (USA) own a monopole on political terms

"Liberal" and "Conservative" originates in England, as I recall..

Reply By: CikomyrPosted: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 Next time, don't beleive that you (USA) own a monopole on political terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" originates in England, as I recall..

I stand corrected.

Next time, don't beleive that you (USA) own a monopole on political terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" originates in England, as I recall..

It is odd though to hear people outside the US using liberal and conservative in the US way. They have entirely different meanings in political science.

As for the question, I plan on becoming a monarchist when I get old. That way I can grumble about leftist commies and all the rest just like all the other obsolete bastards in this world.

Depends on whether you mean classic liberal meaning "progressive and inclusive" and classic conservative meaning "small government and stay out of my life" or, conversely, you mean the current crop of mendacious morons of either stripe. I believe the current group are the "Bush can do no wrong, rubberstamp his every whim" party and the "We're not the other guys but have no spines" party.

Hard to get excited about either of those current groups. But, if we're discussing the classic definitions, I think most people migrate to one or the other end of the spectrum (not all the way for most people, somewhere on the spectrum) by the time they're 30, and stay there most of their lives. Most people I know (military retirees as a general rule) are pretty fiscally and socially conservative, but also think that if someone doesn't expect anything from them that other person can do whatever they bloody well like.

Most real people are more complex than "left or right," and if they aren't shouldn't be allowed to vote from their padded cells anyway.

It is odd though to hear people outside the US using liberal and conservative in the US way. They have entirely different meanings in political science.

Baking powder? Whatcha mean?

Except the old-fashion "Liberalism" is "No State, all business", I don't recall the origin of the term "Conservative"?

Can you tell me what they mean in Political Sciences?

Liberal to conservative.  Liberals are, to me, more idealistic.  Conservatives, on the other hand, are more realistic.

I've always been a centrist, but in my youth I was a left-leaning centrist.  Now that I'm rapidly approaching middle-age, I'm a right leaning centrist.

Younger days - center with left leanings towards programs that help people that are in need. This was when it was my parents money.

Twentys - center. The programs that were meant to help people till they got back on their feet, suddenly (it seemed at the time), became a mandatory sentence for to large of a group of people. Now it was my money and it wasn't even a medium income bracket.

Thirtys - "Hey, what the heck is going on here?" I'm paying back my student loans and making a couple bucks over minimum wage and I'm an ogre for thinking that at some point you need to get a job? By now I think I was still in the center - but moving to the right.

Fortys - OK - you goofed and need some help. I'll help you as long as you're off your butt. I'm not paying for you to hold the couch down, while you send 3 or 4 kids, all from different fathers, off for the free breakfast and lunch, as boyfriend number 4 or 5 plays video games. Clearly, I've pitched my little tent in the right.

Since the attack - when I found out my Mom was correct (again). That my generation would be attacked and half of us would be too damn stupid to hold the attackers responsible. I'm not interested in the whining - get off your backside and take care of your damn problems. I think I'm off the scale. Geez! My soapbox is out.

Except the old-fashion "Liberalism" is "No State, all business", I don't recall the origin of the term "Conservative

Liberalism is nothing more than a "mental" disorder! Which thankfully can be curing by a frontal lobotomy!

Liberal to Conservative easy. Something Liberals don't want to hear, but it all has to do with religion. Just think of it this way: It's very common for people to "find GOD" as they get older. They see the light. They realize how stupid and wreckless they've been all their life. Liberals are the stupid and wreckless, and Conservatives are the wiser and smarter.

As I age I just try to remember to change my shorts.

mason,,,we certainly have our differences,,,but this answer made my day,,,funny!

kudos!

(Citizen)cactoblastaOctober 17, 2006 20:22:57

cactoblastaOctober 17, 2006 20:22:57

As for the question, I plan on becoming a monarchist when I get old. That way I can grumble about leftist commies and all the rest just like all the other obsolete bastards in this world.

The way things are going with me, I will be an anarchist before it's all over.

Depends on whether you mean classic liberal meaning "progressive and inclusive" and classic conservative meaning "small government and stay out of my life" or, conversely, you mean the current crop of mendacious morons of either stripe. I believe the current group are the "Bush can do no wrong, rubberstamp his every whim" party and the "We're not the other guys but have no spines" party.

Classic meaning of BOTh have no place in todays world,,,, sadly.

I support Bush, but man oh man has he fucked things up.