Party or Country ?

Making A Choice

This seems like the inevitable question not just when you near the ballot box but more when you face the mirror, with no one else around.

It has to do with the deep sense of self-respect you hold for yourself and for this country – the land of your children and grandchildren, and theirs. Yes, this land checkered by a history we’ve both learned, at one time or another to be proud to come home to as well as to stay away from in shame. All in all, when you compare what’s been achieved in our area to the rest of the planet, we seem to be doing fine, but how do we go on ?

Do we see ourselves as the rulers of the world ,or a leader in the world? Do we want to be guided by history or do we just rewrite our history ? Do we go the way other empires have gone before us – as a fading Pax Romana did before a looming Pax Americana now? Has America stopped defining itself that it now has to assert itself on other nations to survive or is it still capable of self-correction and self-renewal as it did so in the past ?

The American Revolution, a Constitution that promoted respect for religious beliefs, the Civil War, the women’s and the colored peoples’ civil marches for equality are all part of the historical tapestry that unfolds upon us as we face the stars and stripes displayed at the polling booth. Those struggles cannot be undone in the same way as we cannot have another flag. For the rest of America’s still-to-be-written history, we now face the spectre of political parties defining that for us.

As a vibrant democracy, we seem to have led the world in promoting political parties who all vigorously define themselves in terms of this country and somehow in this crazy mix of ideas that pull at us from the very left to the very right, we somehow almost always manage to hit dead center, and it works.

There will always be rabid followers of either camps who are no better than the Brownshirts instigating to have Hitler voted as Chancellor and who in salivating for your votes will stop at nothing (mesmerizing, obfuscating, cajoling, coercion, even vote-rigging) just to see their party in power. The measurements on which they will be gauged will not change, though and are simple enough for all to see. It will be “What you have said against What you have done”.For the more circumspect, one can even add, “How this was done”.

Is the Party of “cut and run” any better than the Party of “gun and fun” ? When does loyalty for your party stop and when does loyalty for your country begin ? Will it either be a Democrat or a Republican doing the voting or will it be an American?

Now, if only we could make the right choice. In the words of a protestor holding up his placard during a Presidential Inauguration not too long ago, “God Help Us”.



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I'm one of those who always put's Country before politics. I do lean a bit more towards Democrat (though some may argue that for some reason) but I really do lean most to those who I think will lead the country in a better way... Keyword being 'I'.

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The main problem with what I see in your blog is that 'party' is as 'country' as anything else. You cite the civil war, for example, and wasn't Lee's great inner conflict between just such a thing? The founding fathers dueled to the death over such concerns.

Party politics can be nasty, but so far as I know there's no better system. I tend to go even farther than you and sniff at "country" and lean more toward state and local. We lose our regional voice in the name of "country" and the overall needs of national parties more often than not.
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"You cite the civil war, for example, and wasn't Lee's great inner conflict between just such a thing? The founding fathers dueled to the death over such concerns.'" - Bakerstreet

Exactly. Mainly, I wanted to emphasize that in American history, there have been major political conflicts but they have been resolved and I think mainstream America considers the Civil War resolved and despite dreams of a few who want to go back to Confederacy, this thing has been resolved and the country has moved on. So, when I say "country", it's with a resolved Civil War as a given. Those who still haven't accepted that resolution would find their voice in their own "Party" and would foster more loyalty to their Party than to their country.

"I tend to go even farther than you and sniff at "country" and lean more toward state and local. We lose our regional voice in the name of "country"" - Bakerstreet

If the Party is truly national in scope and is really run democratically, then the state and local concerns should be reflected in its national agenda, otherwise it would effectively stay as a state/regional party and still freely choose to ally/not ally itself with the national Party it feels will strengthen its interests. In this day and age, don't you think Americans have their sense
of nationhood despite their being identified with either or any (legal)Party ?

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"I'm one of those who always put's Country before politics." - M -Post

Well, that's a clear choice.

"I really do lean most to those who I think will lead the country in a better way... Keyword being 'I'." - M -Post

Now, that's an open mind.
Reply #5 Top
Well, Scatter629 asked a very valid question that many here should rest on. At which point are you frozen in your political party's tradition?

I have read a lot of rant about "America will prevail if we keep the leftist like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and the like out of the White House." Saying that the Democrats should never be put in power, 'cause that will cause the Doom (and defeat) of U.S.A. You have to consider how much you like "democracy", when you say that. Would you prefer an election of Republican Vs Republican? A country runned by a single party sounds like China.

And I don't speak against only the Republicans here. After all, many Democrats are alike. And Liberals/Conservative in Canada/Quebec, and I am sure many other country. If you fail to really reconsider your vote every election, you do not uphold the ideal of democracy.
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Double-post, darn it
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"And I don't speak against only the Republicans here. After all, many Democrats are alike. And Liberals/Conservative in Canada/Quebec, and I am sure many other country. If you fail to really reconsider your vote every election, you do not uphold the ideal of democracy." - Cikomyr

I tried to rid this Post of any partisanship for either Party since I believe it would diminish an important point in the article - that Americans, having fostered and promoted the concept of Democracy to the world, have this unique responsibility of showing the world that it works everytime diverse ideas clash in an elections and people are really able to synthesize thru this process what the best course for their country would be. At the core of this process lie the loyalties to the different political parties that could tear and confuse the electorate with a ferocity that only a disenfranchised minority Sunni looking at a revived Shiite in Iraq would understand. Is the fostering of bigotry and zealotry and spin of issues among political parties, not to mention political assasinations part and parcel of what Americans want to teach Iraqis,in particular and the world in general, as to how Democracy works ? Hence the question: when does loyalty for your party end and when does loyalty for your country begin ?

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I feel that party politics has all but destroyed the political system in this country. The good of the nation should come first ahead of party, yet these days we have one side doing everything possible to block legislation or appointments that would benefit the nation as a whole for no other reason than it was proposed by members of the other party.

We seriously need a Common Sense party.

Or to just shoot all the bastards and start over.
Reply #9 Top
No offense, Mason, but this country's politics has never been any different than it is now. Frankly, with 24 hour news keeping tabs, they're probably MORE honest, and with a larger, more diverse population they're less single-mindedly partisan now than they were. Go back and look at the hell that was politics in the 1800's and early 1900's.
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No offense, Mason, but this country's politics has never been any different than it is now. Frankly, with 24 hour news keeping tabs, they're probably MORE honest, and with a larger, more diverse population they're less single-mindedly partisan now than they were. Go back and look at the hell that was politics in the 1800's and early 1900's.


No offense taken, but I'm not so sure about that Baker. I think that those people actually believed what they fought for at that time, wheher right or wrong. The asshats we have these days seem to just tow the partisan line regardless. But then it could just be a matter of perspective. Maybe politics has always been a toilet. That would explain Shakespeare's sentiments.
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I've mentioned it before in other article as I will here. I admit I am not very knowledgeble when it comes to politics, but I have learned quite a bit since I got here nearly 2 years ago. So I hope you understand my point of view.

At one time I believed I had to pick a party, I figured I had to vote for those whos values were mostly insync with mine. Judging by what I read and saw, the Republicans seemed a good choice. This decision was made nearly 3 years ago with very little if no knowledge on politics. After a few years and some learning I came to the conclusion that I am not of any party. I too learned that my vote was not about one party or the other (though I will be honest when I say I have never voted in my life, shame on me I know), I learned that my vote was for my country, my vote was for what I thought was best for my country and that did not always mean a Republican. I was planning on voting in these elections but I wasted to much time submitting my registration and will not have it in time to vote, such a shame. I would have, however, done some research and tried my best to make what I thought was the best decision for my country, whether it be Republican, Democrat or 3rd party. I will do my research and prepare myself for the 2008 elections and hope my vote actually makes a difference, but I should not stop there. I should also make it my job to follow my political representatives and do my best to make sure they hear my voice and the voices of all others who they are suppose to represent. This is something all Americans should do, reguardless of choice of party or candidate.

While some may think Bush and the Republicans are a danger to this country, and others think the Democrats will be our doom, there is a bigger problem we are all facing, which is what has created all of our current separation of party mentalities. I'm talking about the average Americans ignorance towrds politics, I would also add a second worse problem than the Reps and Dems, the average Americans laziness and careless lifestyle. But this is just my opinion. An opinion of a man who loves his country where he was born and raised, a man who himself ignored these problems and is now ready to make ammends.

My words to all candidates in 2008 (since I can't vote this time around), may the best man win my vote. They need me more than I need them.
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One of the big problem of U.S.A. (I don't want to solely point the finger, we have out own problem over here too) is that you promote lobbying at a superlevel. Political parties own more to the contributors to their campaigns than they do to their voters.

Republican Vs Democrats would work perfectly, if it wasn't for all the:

- Gun Lobbies
- Pharmaco-lobbies
- Religious-lobbies

And since these lobbies do not only contribute monatery, but some even control the medias (Fox News springs to mind) with a huge biase..

etc... you take my drift? If the political parties were accountable only to the citizen who vote for them, and not the corporation who supported them, there could be a new momentum into U.S.A.'s politic.
Reply #13 Top
Both parties are full of pandering politcal hacks. It's all about the country for me. I vote where I see truth. Neither party offers much of it.
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"If the political parties were accountable only to the citizen who vote for them, and not the corporation who supported them, there could be a new momentum into U.S.A.'s politic.' - Cikomyr

How about a "lobby " Party ? (but, oooppss, - no direction) Aren't there laws to regulate lobbying ?
Reply #15 Top
"We seriously need a Common Sense party." - MasonM

The issue of a third choice as far as American political parties go has been an off-again, on-again issue. Would this work for Americans?

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"this country's politics has never been any different than it is now. Frankly, with 24 hour news keeping tabs, they're probably MORE honest, and with a larger, more diverse population they're less single-mindedly partisan.Go back and look at the hell that was politics in the 1800's and early 1900's" - Bakerstreet

"I think that those people actually believed what they fought for at that time, wheher right or wrong.The asshats we have these days seem to just tow the partisan line regardless" - MasonM

An independent media that truly watchdogs each Party should actually ensure more honesty but then there's the lucrative trade of political spinning that been an off-shoot of this business that every voter has to watch out for.
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"may the best man win my vote. They need me more than I need them." - Charles.C

Wise words. That's enough motivation to make elections work - whether sooner or (2008)later.