Predictable

They will continue to use it as long as it works.  It is predictable.

i'm wonderin how much booze is in an underage page's cum...

i'm wonderin how much booze is in an underage page's cum...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Oh my.  I about peed my pants laughing at that.

They will continue to use it as long as it works. It is predictable.

But that's the thing.  If we see that it's predictable, then we KNOW that it's all flim-flam.  He doesn't really have a problem, he just fucked up and made a HUGE mistake.  To be honest, him going to rehab for his 'problem' is insulting not only to the general public but also to the people who REALLY do have addictions to alcohol and substances. 

It's not working any more.  We can see through the smoke screen they're putting up.  We can predict their next move.  It's time to get a new game plan.

What kills me is they act like we're supposed to be impressed. Somehow we're all supposed to saw "well at least he's getting help, good for him". It makes me puke.

It's not working any more. We can see through the smoke screen they're putting up. We can predict their next move. It's time to get a new game plan.

We as defined by the ones that are in the know? Or we as defined by all Americans? I would disagree with the latter. Too many just dont pay attention to it, so it does work.

What kills me is they act like we're supposed to be impressed. Somehow we're all supposed to saw "well at least he's getting help, good for him". It makes me puke.

Me too. 

We as defined by the ones that are in the know? Or we as defined by all Americans? I would disagree with the latter.

I will concede that there is a certain percentage of the population who aren't up to date with the goings on in Washington, but anyone who's seen the news has to be aware of what's going on, even if it's only at headline level.  If I recall correctly there's another politician who went to rehab a few months ago - and he went about 48-72 hours after the incident of his indiscretion.  People see a pattern forming.  That's not good.

what is even worse is that some are turning this into a partisan issue...maybe some crimes were committed and a possible cover-upikjjrfd...there is an investigation and we will learn of that someday in the future. that isn't important. i hear others bringing up analogies about democrats. again, that's not important now. what is important is protecting our children from predators, wherever they are.

And if I, a lowly military spouse, can predict accurately what the Washington publicity crowd can do

You are more than a lowly military spouse!

You are more than a lowly military spouse!

Meh.....maybe.  I'm certainly not a publicity consultant - I wish that I were!  What I meant when I said that was that I'm not really into politics, but I can see what's going to happen every time some politician screws up - so if I, a non-politically inclined ordinary chickie can see the game that's being run, there must be other people able to see it too!

i hear others bringing up analogies about democrats. again, that's not important now.

I agree, and I find the constant need to bring up partisan issues tiresome.  The republican crowd looks down it's nose at the jokes the democrat crowd make about republicans (most notably, the president), yet here they are doing the very thing they condemn others for.  It's more than slightly hypocritical - and I say that as neither republican nor democrat, but as a middle of the road fence sitter.

The problem is one I point out quite often. The American people just don't really care anymore (Maybe never really did). This is suppose to be a Govt "By the people, for the people", but instead it's a Gov't where people go to vote just to spite the opposing party and then they just go back to their recliners and Directv and forget there is a President doing what he wants till something bad happens on CNN or Fox, yet they still will not do research, just go with what the media tells them. Google is so easy, it's sad there are still people who know nothing with internet at their finger tips (those who have internet I mean). Ignorance in this country is more of a problem than Aids is. I believe more people are dying due to ignorance than Aids. I could be wrong though, I have no real data to back up this opinion. But it does sound logical, to me anyways.

I've always believed that schools should have some kind of class that teaches students what the Gov't is about, how it functions and about politics, so that one day when it's their turn to vote, they have a better understanding of how and why they vote for who they chose. This should start from High school on. But that's just me.

I've always believed that schools should have some kind of class that teaches students what the Gov't is about, how it functions and about politics, so that one day when it's their turn to vote, they have a better understanding of how and why they vote for who they chose. This should start from High school on. But that's just me.

schools used to have "civics" class and sim. under different titles. i guess they were some of the 1st to go when cutting budgets. ya know, it's much more important for the football team to have a new stadium, gym, uniforms and the costs of bringing in that "ringer" coach (or player) so we can win more games (even tho winning more games doesn't increase revenue).

I've always believed that schools should have some kind of class that teaches students what the Gov't is about, how it functions and about politics, so that one day when it's their turn to vote, they have a better understanding of how and why they vote for who they chose. This should start from High school on. But that's just me. schools used to have "civics" class and sim. under different titles. i guess they were some of the 1st to go when cutting budgets. ya know, it's much more important for the football team to have a new stadium, gym, uniforms and the costs of bringing in that "ringer" coach (or player) so we can win more games (even tho winning more games doesn't increase revenue).

In California they have a semester Gov't class which is required for high school. For the other semester students have to take Econ. I don't think either class really gets into detail. Requirement classes can't really offer much info because everyone has to pass.

It is funny how entering rehab has become the donation to charity of the 21st century. I wonder what we're going to get next decade? Joining the scientologists and becoming an acolyte of the Miracle Baby?

Heh, as far as boinking young interns goes, remember, these are young adults, not children. Monica Lewinski was only 19 when Clinton was playing cigar games with her in the Oval office.

and in this country, i believe legally, but at least ethicly and morally in many people's mind, there is a BIG difference between 16 and 19. the lewinski affair is irrelevant here. the details are much different. interns are college age and legal adults. pages are high school kids and usually aren't. in fact, i seem to remember that in 83 when the democrats had their lil sex scandal involving pages, at the time, pages were 17 , not 16 and they changed it to 16 to avoid any "confusion" over whether it was ok or not. this affected me personally because i was going to be a page when i was 17, i was 16 when the age was 17, then they changed it and i turned 17 and it made me ineligable. so i then went and worked on a GOP campaign. it was supposed to be a volunteer effort, but mysteriously enough, i got a check for my college fund on a regular basis. i don't mind mentioning that now as i am sure that crime is well beyond any statutes of limitations and the rep. in question has passed away.

the most disturbing thing about all of this is that Foley was the guy in charge of protecting children from pedophiles. it was literally the fox watching the henhouse. that's not a partisan thing, or an election thing,,,that's a principle thing. if reports that hastert and other GOP leaders knew of this a long time ago as roberts and others contend, i don't know if i'd call for hastert's resignation, but i would call for him to give up his leadership post. again, not for politics sake, but for principle's sake.

Heh, as far as boinking young interns goes, remember, these are young adults, not children. Monica Lewinski was only 19 when Clinton was playing cigar games with her in the Oval office.

Yeah but the boys Foley was sending predatory sexual emails and text messages to were pages - high school kids - under 18.

But herein lies the problem, Senator Foley is not "the republican party" but only a single member of it. Both parties have their freaks, pervs, and deviants, as would any other large group of professionals, like your local police department or library clerk's association.

Yeah but the difference is that the Republican leadership knew about this guy and did nothing. Hastert, speaker of the House, knew about the emails a year ago and only reported it to the head of the page program. No other action was taken and that is how this becomes a condemnation of not one individual Republican but the Republican leadership.

They said they were warning pages about this guy five years ago and somehow he ends up chair of the committee on exploitation of children?

Also in another aside - Monica Lewinsky was not some innocent who was preyed upon. She was the aggressor flashing her thong panties at the President. That's not very subtle.

there is a BIG difference between 16 and 19.

This would depend a lot on which state you're from. Most especially Tennessee where the age of consent is 14.

I didn't abandon this thread, I promise, and I'll come back tomorrow to leave proper responses, but I need to say this:

I don't think that he molested anyone. Those kids were prolly knockin' boots with someone already.....he was just stupid, and he got caught.

"Sheesh, I know one becomes a LEGAL adult at 18, but the way some of you talk, anyone a few months shy of that is an innocent babe, the corruption of which makes you a bad, BAD person."

Oddly, the age of consent in DC, even for sodomy, is 16. That happens to be the exact age of the pages in question, doesn't it? Anyone else find it odd that people who fight to lower the age of consent now believe Foley is a child molester?

As for rehab, it isn't as dumb as it seems. When you enter rehab you are basically quarantined for 30 days. It gives him a pass on dealing with it until it blows over and all the pundits have ran out of breath. They know voters have short attention spans.

It is funny how entering rehab has become the donation to charity of the 21st century. I wonder what we're going to get next decade? Joining the scientologists and becoming an acolyte of the Miracle Baby?

It does seem to be the excuse de jour - and that's why I'm saying it's transparent.

 

No other action was taken and that is how this becomes a condemnation of not one individual Republican but the Republican leadership

Exactly.  They KNEW, yet they did nothing.  It's only when the public and the press get wind of what went down that people start calling it a 'problem'.  It pisses me off.

 

This would depend a lot on which state you're from

Yep.

Many of these "children" have been having sex for years, (and with partners older than themselves.) Lets not confuse legality with reality.

Exactly. 

 

Anyone else find it odd that people who fight to lower the age of consent now believe Foley is a child molester?

Yeah....one minute they're wanting to lower the age to 16, yet the next they're decrying him as a pedophile. It's sickening.

 

As for rehab, it isn't as dumb as it seems. When you enter rehab you are basically quarantined for 30 days. It gives him a pass on dealing with it until it blows over and all the pundits have ran out of breath. They know voters have short attention spans.

I'm not saying it's dumb, I'm saying it's transparent.  It's OBVIOUSLY a ploy to not only delay him having to deal with it, but also an excuse so the general public might be placated - he's admitting he's got a 'problem', and they see him dealing with it.  The thing is, he doesn't have a 'problem', not in the addiction sense, anyway.  He got the hots for some 16 year old ass, and he couldn't resist coming on to them.  It was a 2 way street; there was some reciprocation and that encouraged him to continue and even to escalate his behaviour.  Then he got caught.......and all of a sudden, he's an alcoholic who needs to go to rehab.  It's pathetically see-through, and people who believe it are either blinded by their partisanship or....well, I'm not going to go there.

oh, getting back to some facts (remember facts?), the 19 being the age of monica is wrong. apparantly someone got that from sean hannity as he was the one who misreported it and has not retracted it, in fact has repeated it.

monica was 22

..and still what, 30 years younger than Bill? You feel there is a huge difference between 18 and 22? OR maybe, just maybe, you think there's a difference betwen a male senior hitting on a young woman and a male senior hitting on a young man?

The fact that you equate, nay, downplay the cigar event as compared to text IM makes me wonder what about this is aggrivating the circumstance. Dems have screwed 16 year old campaign workers, trying to recruit 15 year olds at the same time, been jailed, and went right back to working with Jesse in politics. Where's the outrage from the press, and you, there?