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Homosexual vrs Heterosexual

Homosexual vrs Heterosexual

How can they BOTH be normal?

 

Since this article has engendered such passionate responces I have deleted the parts that were misinformation or misleading. Hopefully this corrected version will now open up more debate.

For the last 40 or so years homosexual activists have been striving to achieve not just acceptance, but

 complete infiltration into every nook and cranny of American life.

Their way of living, they claim is just another "healthy" variation of human sexuality.

Lets look at their intrusion into schools, especially kindergarten through the 12th grade in public schools. through a deliberate plan of intimidation and propaganda they have infiltrated their way into revising history and other subjects of learning.

These activist have been very successful in Massachusetts and to a lessor degree California, Massachusetts being the only state in the union to allow homosexual marriage.

Right now in the California legislature there are three bills dealing with homosexuals.

SB1437 which demands that history and social studies be re-written to include contributions of homosexual, bisexual and trans-gender people. This will cost the state many millions of dollars to change the books involved, although I fail to see what a persons sexual preferences have to do with contributions made to anything. {sb1437 is correct, books will have to be rewritten to comply if this bill passes and will cost the state of California millions}

SOME LIBERAL TEACHERS HAVE DECIDED THE MICHELANGELO was a homosexual and are teaching this in class with no proof that he was indeed homosexual. This of course is taking place in some California schools.

Doctor Joseph Nicolosi and Elizabeth Saewyc, who is the research director for the University of British Columbia has found that the suicide among homosexuals is considerably higher that Heterosexuals.

28.4 percent of a 30,000 group study of homosexuals have tried to commit suicide against 8.2 percent of a group of 30,000 heterosexuals. With figures like this how can homosexuality be considered healthy or normal?

In closing I would like to point out my opinion. To me there is nothing normal about two men having sex and being married, same with two women. Homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children and bring them into what I see is an abnormal environment.

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Reply #51 Top
Whew...this article went nuts, didn't it?

~Zoo
Reply #52 Top
This seems to be a perennial favourite for debate. The argument has been interesting, but curiously similar to an argument about religion, in that a lot of mutually antagonistic opinions collide, but not always as part of a rational discourse, backed up by facts. And when respondents have tried to inject some facts, they have often been wrong:

Mans [sic] penis was designed to fit with a vagina not an anus.

To begin with, there is no clear evidence that the penis and vagina were 'designed' at all, intelligently or otherwise. At the risk of grossing you out, here are the facts: Lots of heterosexual couples enjoy anal intercourse. (There is even a sexual practice called 'pegging' in which the woman anally penetrates the man with a strap-on dildo, that my more sexually active friends tell me is quite the rage in smart circles! )  However, 'man on woman' anal sex seems to offer biologically less obvious pleasurable benefits than for a (male) homosexual couple. The action of the penis in the (male) anus leads to a stimulation of the prostrate (the gland that produces the fluid in which sperm 'swim' after ejaculation) that is actually highly pleasurable. In view of this fact, if our bodies were 'designed' (intelligently or otherwise), the only rational conclusion is that at least some bodies were designed for anal sex!

I have always said that gay people are chemically imbalanced which results in them being gay.... also resulting in the higher suicidal rate...

This was rebutted quite well elsewhere, but I'll say it again. If you take any class of people and subject them to varying degrees of social ostracism, humiliation, irrational hatred and random violence, you would expect to find a higher than usual incidence of depression and suicide.

I think you realise this yourself, so you try to plug the hole in your argument with the following piece of twaddle:
Gayness has a wide acceptance generally speaking and they live peacably in and around everywhere.

As you are obviously not homosexual yourself, it is worth asking where you get this piece of 'information' from. Suffice it to say that, although some parts of the world are now a little more accepting of homosexuality than was previously the case, and some social attitudes in western societies have changed, a spectrum of antagonism towards homosexuals, ranging from mild distaste to homicidal violence is still the norm pretty much everywhere - with the antagonism weighted towards the homicidal violence end of the spectrum in many parts of the world.

That is not, though, quite on a par with this piece of gross dishonesty:
Gays can throw bricks through my window if they like ...

But they probably won't. In fact, as you are probably well aware, outside of a few safe 'ghettos' in certain large cities, most of the bricks (along with the baseball bats, beatings and bullying) are going very much in the other direction.

Personally, I don't view homosexuality as normal. One reason why, and this is purely scientific, is that homosexuality doesn't promote survival of the species.

No, this is not scientific at all. Or rather, it is as 'scientific' as those theorists who claim to 'prove' that some races are 'more intelligent' than others. Homosexuality has no significant effect on the reproduction of the species; when pursued exclusively it has an effect on the reproduction of the individual. With approximately 4% of men - and rather fewer women - being exclusively homosexual, there is no danger at all that the human population is about to plummet. It is even possible that a small number of non-reproducing individuals (of whatever sexuality) is an overall benefit for a species that has now reached 6 billion and counting.

To be clear, I have no argument against those who are 'disgusted' by homosexuality, for the perfectly good reason that they are not actually offering an argument themselves. So when someone says:
I have gay friends but don't admire their sexuality.

I find this is an honourable position. You do not allow your 'distaste' to get in the way of friendships.

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Instead of a discourse on how immature we all are, you could have choosen to start a rational discourse yourself.

Rational discourse is always good. I hope in the above I have tried to do this. When most people are arguing purely from their feelings, informed by their tastes or distastes, it is clearly useful to subject their arguments to some kind of rational examination. I do realise though that, on this subject more than many others, few people will actually change their minds just because their arguments have been shown to unfactual and irrational.   
Reply #53 Top
Homosexual vrs Heterosexual
How can they BOTH be normal?

I also think it worth commenting on the title and subtitle of this thread. Why does it have to be homosexual versus heterosexual? Would you ever think of calling a thread "Jew vrs Gentile"? In those familiar, trite words that nevertheless reflect a simple folk wisdom "why can't we all just get along?"

As to "How can they BOTH be normal?" Of course they are! Just as Judaism is normal for Jews - but not for me - so all of the many and varied sexual practices that I have no interest in are normal for the people who practice them, but not for me.

Interestingly enough, it's not always the really smart people who 'overcomplicate' things!
Reply #54 Top
What I do care about is someone who stridently defends certain 'protected minority classes' (like jews) while gleefully attacking others.


Do you feel the same concerning Jews and pedofiles or rapists...etc?
Reply #55 Top
There has been such passionate give and take, I hope reopening this article inspires more debate.
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Reply By: XythePosted: Tuesday, September 19, 2006
What I do care about is someone who stridently defends certain 'protected minority classes' (like jews) while gleefully attacking others.


Do you feel the same concerning Jews and pedofiles or rapists...etc?

THIS IS AN INTRESTING QUESTION, I wonder what response it will get. I have nothing against homosexuals, I just feel that I do not need to know what they do behind closed doors, but they seem to feel not only must I know, I MUST accept it.

Reply #57 Top
What amazes me sometimes is the debate put into Sex. I want people to keep me out of their bedrooms. Do I care of homosexuals raise children, who am I to say otherwise, I'm no perfect parent myself. Oh no!! Lil Timmy's parents are gay, he may be too.... Well so what.... Lil Johnny's Dad's in the pen and mom's a meth head, they let them parents raise him. I find religious overzellousness more offensive then Homosexuality.

As far as forcing me to acknoledge gay/straight in general conversation, screw that, hell, unless I'm your friend and give a shit, I don't care if you screw farm animals, cause it's none of my damn buisness to know. Someone being gay/straight/bi does not affect my life, even if they are my friends.

I have a mixed thought on marrige though. I don't like the idea of forceing churchs that don't belive in none male/female marrige to recognise/perform gay marriges. BUT I do think it's fine that the government recognises it. The gov isn't religious, that's the point of it. If a church wants to recognise it, then it's fine, it's that religious entity's choice, and the parish can stay and belive the same or leave and find a new church.

Well, there is my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Reply #58 Top
Do you feel the same concerning Jews and pedofiles or rapists


xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?
Reply #59 Top
xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?


Go f*ck yourself. How dare you come across to me in that tone. Think what you want. Until I here some atonement for your language and disposition, you will hear nothing more fom me. How uncouth.
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Reply By: msladydeathPosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
What amazes me sometimes is the debate put into Sex. I want people to keep me out of their bedrooms

first, nice to see you again.

 I do not want to be privy to what they do in the bedroom either.

I am old fashioned, I think it takes a mom and dad to give the child balance.

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Reply By: kingbeePosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
Do you feel the same concerning Jews and pedofiles or rapists


xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?

wow king, you are becoming almost as rude as I am... this does not bode well.

Reply #62 Top

Reply By: XythePosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?


Go f*ck yourself. How dare you come across to me in that tone. Think what you want. Until I here some atonement for your language and disposition, you will hear nothing more fom me. How uncouth.

I understand your anger, just remember this is my blog, not kingbees.

Reply #63 Top
xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?


Go f*ck yourself. How dare you come across to me in that tone. Think what you want. Until I here some atonement for your language and disposition, you will hear nothing more fom me. How uncouth


Like we should care?
Reply #64 Top
I understand your anger, just remember this is my blog, not kingbees.


Noted and apologies made where appropriate
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Reply By: drmilerPosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?


Go f*ck yourself. How dare you come across to me in that tone. Think what you want. Until I here some atonement for your language and disposition, you will hear nothing more fom me. How uncouth


Like we should care?

Who you aiming this at doc?

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Reply By: XythePosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
I understand your anger, just remember this is my blog, not kingbees.


Noted and apologies made where appropriate

Appreciate that!

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Reply By: drmilerPosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
xythe???

how far up one's ass must one reach to retrieve a question predicated on considering any ethnic/religious/racial group the equivalent of sexual predators?


Go f*ck yourself. How dare you come across to me in that tone. Think what you want. Until I here some atonement for your language and disposition, you will hear nothing more fom me. How uncouth


Like we should care?

Who you aiming this at doc?


Not at you my friend. At this one:


#63 by Xythe
Wed, September 20, 2006 01:51 AM
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Reply By: drmilerPosted: Friday, September 22, 2006

Like we should care?



Who you aiming this at doc?


Not at you my friend. At this one:


#63 by Xythe
Wed, September 20, 2006 01:51 AM

 

thanx for the clarificatrion doc.

Reply #69 Top
wow king, you are becoming almost as rude as I am... this does not bode well.


i've had several days in which to re-evaluate the rhetorical question he posed as well as my response. i'm no less appalled nor mystified by his comparison of jews--or members of any other racial/ethnic/religious group except other sexual predators--to pedophiles or rapists.

perhaps english isn't his first language so what he stated wasn't at all close to what he intended. in other words, he meant to say homosexuals, not jews, are no different than child molesters and rapists.

not being a native english speaker might reasonably mitigate his miserable spelling; it wouldn't render his claim any less despicably hateful.

there'll be monkeys flyin outta my butt long before:

I here some atonement
Reply #70 Top
Why should I care who someone else is screwing? We need a federal mind your own damn business law.

Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else. No more, no less. They don't need or deserve any more or any less. Shut up and mind your own business.
Reply #71 Top
Gays have the exact same rights as everyone else. No more, no less. They don't need or deserve any more or any less. Shut up and mind your own business.


Darn straight, I agree. Live and let live.

*furrows brow*

If, lets say, being gay *is* a chemcal imbalance, then, okay. So what? Do you really think that is going to change every gay/lesbians mind? Maybe, but i doubt it.

Oh, and perhaps, as a friend (who is gay) and I were talking about. What if it's a natural thing?

~S/P
Reply #72 Top
We need a federal mind your own damn business law.


Get lobbying, Mason, you know what you've got to do.

I'll sign the petition to get that sucker on the books.
Reply #73 Top
We need a federal mind your own damn business law.


We agree there, Mason. We'll make a Libertarian outta you yet! LOL!

But seriously, that is precisely why I haven't weighed in much on this thread. I have my opinions, have no desire to change my opinions, and my opinions are immaterial to what you choose to do. Do as you will, just realize it's TMI for many of us!
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Reply By: ModeratemanPosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006Reply By: msladydeathPosted: Wednesday, September 20, 2006What amazes me sometimes is the debate put into Sex. I want people to keep me out of their bedroomsfirst, nice to see you again. I do not want to be privy to what they do in the bedroom either.I am old fashioned, I think it takes a mom and dad to give the child balance.


Thanks, it's good to be seen

I can't really think that it takes a mom and a dad to give a child balance, cause otherwise, that kinda screws the single parents out there don't it? Ideally, yes, a mom and a dad, but in reality, and with the divorce rate as high as it is, unrealistic. My children have a "father figure" (since their biodonar is MIA). I guess I just don't know, how could having two loving mom's or dad's be worse than having a single parent?