America will lose the war if we don't play dirty

This is why the west will lose to terrorists!  Fanatical terror suspect Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 25, and his wife, Cossor, 23, are among those being interrogated by police as suspects in the massive plot to attack trans-Atlantic flights in midair.

This couple who seemed so normal to friends and neighbors planned to use a liquid explosive in their babies bottle to MURDER A Jet full of people.

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

The child is now in the custody of its grandparents."Cossor was not someone I had an argument with, never any problems," said a shocked Bronwen Hammond, who attended London's Walthamstow School for Girls with her.

"She would wear the full Muslim outfit because of her parents, but she was never preaching," Hammond told The Mail on Sunday. "There were a lot more religious people at school."

But British security experts suspect that Cossor Ali is an example of a chilling phenomenon that is growing in popularity among the terror set - a woman willing to use her innocent appearance to allay suspicions and carry out a suicide bombing. At least 20 Muslim women have blown themselves up in such attacks.

Particularly disturbing was Cossor Ali's apparent intent to conceal the liquid trigger for a bomb in Zain's baby bottle when the family boarded a jetliner.

"It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now women in Britain who are prepared to die with their babies for their twisted cause," a security adviser to the British government told The Times of London.

"They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed."

Cossor, a British citizen like her husband, lived with her parents and two older sisters before marrying Ali three years ago. The couple moved into the project and were receiving government assistance.

It's not known how they met, but Ali attended another school along with two others arrested last week - his brother, Hassan Abdullah Khan, 21, and a Pakistani-born man, Wahid Arafat Khan, 25.

Asan Khan and Waheed Khan are not related, but both attended the east London mosque Masjid e-Umer, where eight alleged members of the conspiracy met and which is now a focus of the investigation.

Ali, like the other two men, was recalled as a routine student when he attended Aveling Park School.

"He certainly wasn't the sort of person you would describe as radical when he was at school," a former student said. "He was just a normal boy who didn't stand out from the crowd."

British investigators have disclosed few details since the startling series of arrests last week triggered a sweeping series of security measures at airports, including restrictions on baby bottles and formulas.

Because of suspicions like those that fell on Cossor Ali, mothers are being required to taste babies' milk at airline check-ins before they are allowed to take it aboard aircraft.

Friends and relatives of members of the alleged plot say some suspects had recently visited Pakistan, where the conspiracy is believed to have been based.

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

How can the west that is so wrapped up in apperances about fighting fair and by rules deal with such fanatics willing not only to kill themselves in order to kill westerners but to murder their own child as well.

Until we throw out the rule book and start fighting this war for real, killing as many Muslims as possible we will continue to live in fear.

We should be using pigs blood as part of out tactics, since dieing with pigs blood keeps the Muslims out of heaven, no 72 virgins for you pal..

Our bombs should be armed with pigs blood, when we interrogate prisoners we should gut a pig and sew the Muslims inside  and threaten to kill them inside the pig if they do not spill the beans on the other fanatics.